Feature Request - Sticky Prestige


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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((At the prompting of Tech Support, I am posting this request again.))

When a person is away from the game for a while (e.g., military, student, hospital, etc.), it can appear like they don't play anymore. Unfortunately, what happens is that someone can boot them from the SG, thereby causing them to lose the listed amount of Prestige that they've been credited with. This is annoying when it's a significant amount, kinda as if you'd lost badges.

Suggest that when a toon is dropped from SG, though they are no longer in SG, the amount of Prestige they accumulated be kept "behind the scenes." When they rejoin *same* SG, the correct Prestige amount is restored. However, if they've joined a different SG, then the Prestige is cleared, rather than try to track Prestige with multiple SGs.

For previous toons that have been dropped, give Tech Support the ability to reset the Prestige amount. This will help alleviate the situation for people returning to the game.

-Johnny


 

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I agree with this suggestion. /signed


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I don't see that it is necessary, but as the change wouldn't hurt me, and assuming it didn't eat up too much developer time that they could be using to fix whatever other problems need to be looked at....it could be a decent QoL change.


 

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I'd much rather they stop listing the prestige earned altogether. The days when it actually meant something haven't existed for years. All it does now is encourage elitism and snobbery.


 

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Didn't we JUST go over this a month ago or so? I know it's been fairly recent. (Edit: OK. Three months or so.) My stance is still that you, personally, put FAR more weight on prestige and what it "shows" than it ever really did.

From your last thread on this same subject:

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And as I've already said, I have been involved with doing SG recruitment, where having a high prestige amount (i.e., immediately visible in the SG list) is useful to help encourage people to play in SG mode.
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From my perspective, my prestige came from leading regular teams, either scheduled task forces, or recruited pickup teams. There was quite a bit of effort and organization involved, and having the prestige amount listed was a visual indication of the seriousness of my contributions.
To jump right back in where we were - Prestige means nothing but that you were in SG mode while doing these things. You cannot tell a good leader, someone involved with their SG, etc. from their prestige total. I can do all those things on a character that turned off SG mode back when it was more punitive (before hitting - what was it, 35? when it went to "0 inf, 100% prestige") years ago. My *reputation* is important. My Prestige (capital P, designating income generated for a SG) is not.

The flip side? You've seen the Crazy 88s, right? Marketeers who did nothing but burn INF converting it into prestige to take the "top position" on several servers? Your stance means that someone who does nothing but solos, acts like a jerk (bringing down the reputation not only of themselves, but of your SG,) but farms and markets enough to convert, say, 500 million a day to prestige for a month, should be "more important," basically, than the character listed above that shut off prestige generation years ago at (say) level 30... despite all the good the first person does.

Prestige means nothing. It is NOT personal - it's a SG-wide item. And past a certain point - which is fairly easy to get to, though variable depending on SG - it's pretty useless.

/agrees with Forbin. As well as having it removed from the SG registrar, which needs an overhaul anyway, as it's nobody else's business.


 

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I'd much rather they stop listing the prestige earned altogether. The days when it actually meant something haven't existed for years. All it does now is encourage elitism and snobbery.
This, yes.


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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
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I'd much rather they stop listing the prestige earned altogether. The days when it actually meant something haven't existed for years. All it does now is encourage elitism and snobbery.
This.

There is also another factor that should be considered:

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Inf
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Prestige
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Candy_Cane
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Hallowee..._Event_Salvage
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Base_Salvage
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Invention_Salvage
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Vanguard_Merit
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Merit_Rewards
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Alignment_Merit
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Incarnate_Component
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Incarnate_Shard_Component
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Incarnate_Thread_Component
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Ticket
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Astral_Merit
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Empyrean_Merit

Okay. That's... how many different currencies that are currently in the game?

How many do we actually need?

I'd rather see the devs look at removing some of the existing currencies.


 

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I'd be happy if this change happened. It seems unlikely to affect me, as nearly all the SGs I'm in are composed of myself and a few friends, but I know the frustration of putting time and effort into an SG, having a nice big number to show off as proof, and a simple mistake wiping it all away. I'm not sure how there could be any negatives tied to this change.


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While I won't argue with there being too many currencies, (I think the "Shards for now! No, wait, threads! And salvage! And two types of merits!" was ridiculous, quite frankly,) I don't actually think - despite what I'm saying above - that prestige needs to be removed.

Simply for the fact it converts "personal" to "Group." It's not SuperBlasterGuy's inspiration storage, it's WonderGroup's. It's not BlankTank's teleporter, it's WonderGroup's. That little disconnect from personal to SG ownership is where Prestige is useful, IMHO. (And is also reason to not bother displaying personal prestige totals.)


 

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I'm afraid I have to agree with this:

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
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I'd much rather they stop listing the prestige earned altogether. The days when it actually meant something haven't existed for years. All it does now is encourage elitism and snobbery.
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As well as having it removed from the SG registrar, which needs an overhaul anyway, as it's nobody else's business.
A player's Inf total isn't displayed to the world, neither should the player's or group's prestige earnings.




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I'd be happy if this change happened. It seems unlikely to affect me, as nearly all the SGs I'm in are composed of myself and a few friends, but I know the frustration of putting time and effort into an SG, having a nice big number to show off as proof, and a simple mistake wiping it all away. I'm not sure how there could be any negatives tied to this change.
NEWSFLASH!

dit dit dit ditdit dit dit dit . . . Individual Prestige Earned does NOT represent how much time and effort a player puts into the game. Any SG member can easily get a high individual prestige earned by simply going to the SG Registrar and converting inf to prestige.

Individual earned prestige means squat.


 

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Surprised at all the hate.
Pointing out the simple fact that prestige has no meaning other than how much income a base has to spend on does not remotely equate to hate.

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As a sometime SG leader, I like to know. If only to say "Hey xxxx you've forgotten to toggle SG mode."
That can be solved by changing the Prestige column to an SG Mode column and simply listing the words On or Off according to their SG mode setting.

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I guess the nay-sayers must have had some negative SG experiences.
You wish the facts could be dismissed that easily.


 

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Most of my SG experiences have been fine, especially since I tend to play with the same group of people, and we just make sub-SGs for our themed alts. I habitually run in SG mode, now that it costs me nothing (remember when you had to choose between that and full rewards?). But I have to agree that the days of prestige meaning anything are long, long past.

What's prestige good for? Building bases. What are bases good for these days? Absolutely nothing. (Huh! Say it again!) Expanded options for transportation (Ouroborous, more flexible trains/ferries) and storage (global mailing your stuff to alts) have reduced their PvE value, and we won't even talk about PvP. This does not seem likely to change at any point in the foreseeable future.

We have people making so much inf that they're "burning" it, in vast amounts, by converting it to prestige at the extortionate exchange rate. The top prestige list is a joke because of this and other factors; my apologies to anyone who ever took their ranking seriously.


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Surprised at all the hate. As a sometime SG leader, I like to know. If only to say "Hey xxxx you've forgotten to toggle SG mode." I guess the nay-sayers must have had some negative SG experiences.
No hate. The OP just assigns more value to prestige than it actually has (which is, basically, none.) And it has nothing at all to do with my SG experiences, which - except for one instance months after COV launch which had nothing to do with prestige - have been universally positive.

Don't assume.


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
NEWSFLASH!

dit dit dit ditdit dit dit dit . . . Individual Prestige Earned does NOT represent how much time and effort a player puts into the game. Any SG member can easily get a high individual prestige earned by simply going to the SG Registrar and converting inf to prestige.

Individual earned prestige means squat.
Not exactly a newsflash... I'm perfectly aware that people can convert. I never have, and nobody in any of the SGs I've ever been in has in any significant amount. At that level, it still gives a rough estimation of amount of time played in SG mode. Is it important? Hell no. Is it terrible and in need of destroying? Well, no. Do I think it's worth the time to make this change? Meh... not really. But I wouldn't be opposed to it, because it doesn't hurt anything, and in the limited level in which prestige has any meaning, I believe it helps.


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Originally Posted by Patteroast View Post
Not exactly a newsflash... I'm perfectly aware that people can convert. I never have, and nobody in any of the SGs I've ever been in has in any significant amount. At that level, it still gives a rough estimation of amount of time played in SG mode. Is it important? Hell no. Is it terrible and in need of destroying? Well, no. Do I think it's worth the time to make this change? Meh... not really. But I wouldn't be opposed to it, because it doesn't hurt anything, and in the limited level in which prestige has any meaning, I believe it helps.
First off glad to see you realized the way I posted was intended to be lighthearted.

Personally I didn't realize prestige conversions showed as prestige earned until a few years ago.

As to the SG's I've been in, the members have several which are in coalition with each other and they frequently move characters between them based on what their playing and which base they are working on expanding.

I ask myself who contributes more to an SG, the guy that farms prestige or the guy that sponsors SG events and recruits members, or they guy that spends hundreds of hours designing the base and giving tours, or the guy that spends his time helping new players learn the ropes.

I couldn't guess the name of the SG with the most prestige but when I think of famous SG's names & players, names like the Mentor Project, Taxibot Belle, Paragon Search and Rescue, and Cape Radio and their DJ's come to mind.


 

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Oh, of course. I'm not saying that prestige really tells you who brings the most to the SG... I just like playfully trying to beat my friends at having a larger number in the SG window.

I don't think this really has much to do with comparing prestige between supergroups, and I don't think that those numbers mean much either, and I can't say I've ever checked them. But within a supergroup, it would be nice to not have the number representing your work go away if you're out of the group for two minutes. I admit though, I'd rather they revamp the whole system with prestige and supergroups and bases. But if this suggested change would be easy to implement, I'd be mildly pleased by it.


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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
Pointing out the simple fact that prestige has no meaning other than how much income a base has to spend on does not remotely equate to hate.
Then why do you object to the system keeping track of how much a character has generated? You seem to object to people using it as a rating of effort people have put into a SG, which has absolutely nothing to do with this very sensible suggestion.

If I left and rejoined a SG for whatever reasons, it would be nice if it remembered the total prestige I had generated.


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Then why do you object to the system keeping track of how much a character has generated? You seem to object to people using it as a rating of effort people have put into a SG, which has absolutely nothing to do with this very sensible suggestion.
1. That's already been answered above. You can ignore it all you like but that just shows you can't refute it.
2. Just because you want it doesn't make it sensible.

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If I left and rejoined a SG for whatever reasons, it would be nice if it remembered the total prestige I had generated.
Why on earth should the devs create a useless feature to constantly keep track of the prestige earned for every single SG on every single server a character has ever been a member of just in case the character should decide to rejoin one of those previous SG's. Talk about an inefficient cluster<bleep>.


 

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Why on earth should the devs create a useless feature to constantly keep track of the prestige earned for every single SG on every single server a character has ever been a member of just in case the character should decide to rejoin one of those previous SG's.
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When they rejoin *same* SG, the correct Prestige amount is restored. However, if they've joined a different SG, then the Prestige is cleared, rather than try to track Prestige with multiple SGs.
I believe that you mis-read the feature request. It was *never* my suggestion to track Prestige for all SGs that a toon had ever belonged to, which I agree would be pretty dumb.

-Johnny


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
1. That's already been answered above. You can ignore it all you like but that just shows you can't refute it.
Refute what exactly? Your statement that it promotes elitism and snobbery? That doesn't need refuting because it is just your personal experience and far from fact.


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Just because you want it doesn't make it sensible.
Just because it makes you rant doesn't make it unreasonable either.


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I believe that you mis-read the feature request. It was *never* my suggestion to track Prestige for all SGs that a toon had ever belonged to, which I agree would be pretty dumb.

-Johnny
But Johnny that's what it will end up doing for a certain percentage of the playerbase. (I won't pretend to know the exact numbers) There are players that end up going thru many SG's for various reasons, sometimes it's just bouncing between a select group as their cycle thru various characters they like to play. Other times it's due to conflicts with other players, and several other reasons. And the longer a person plays the game the more likely a character will have several SG affiliations under their belt.

So let's say this idea is going to be implemented. My question to you then is how far back (meaning the number of SG's) are you willing to keep record of? 1, 2, 3, 6?


Edit: The reason I mention tracking multiple SG memberships is because there will always be people that can provide a reasonable argument for tracking prestige for more than 1 SG.


 

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Refute what exactly? Your statement that it promotes elitism and snobbery? That doesn't need refuting because it is just your personal experience and far from fact.
Apparently you don't know what facts are. A fact is knowledge or information based on real occurrences. So yes if a person experiences elitism and snobbery based on the amount of prestige they have or haven't earned it is indeed a fact.

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Just because it makes you rant doesn't make it unreasonable either.
No one has ranted in this thread.