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Quote:He turned vigilante!Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
That kid left school without much in the way of qualifications, and joined the Army. No idea where he is now.
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Quote:Yes, I refrained from bothering with your declaration that fire/rads are melee/support because it seemed like a joke. Certainly the synergy of the powersets lets one shine in close range combat, but that does not make it melee. It does not have ONE melee attack within the powerset. The only way to pick one up is via epic power pools, which is available to any controller.Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
I'm going to assume you are not talking about the fire/rad controller and are talking about the SoA.
You did a lot of assuming and a lot of talking without actually saying anything. Are you a politician? I'd be curious to hear your definition of "support" characters, because if a SoA is a support character, then /shield scrappers must be as well.Quote:Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
I am further going to assume you mean taking the powers in the SoA AT and not the leadership powers, or possibly taking both. So I am going to assume you know what you are talking about, and are merely calling them "leadership" so that your wrong point at least looks somewhat valid.
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That's pretty messed up. I was planning on getting one, too.
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The first redside SSA has this, and some of the new DA content, among others.
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Someone is working on their invention badges:
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Why not give Scrappers/Tankers ranged powersets? Because they'll no longer be scrappers/tankers.
Quote:No, they aren't. Having leadership does not make one a support character.Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
Night Widows are melee/support
Banes are melee/support
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Quote:You make it sound like they drop from the sky. I haven't gotten ONE as a drop so far (and I've run several trials and DA missions on x8 since they started dropping), and I don't think I should have to rely on spending real money just to be able to get them.Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch
Given the rate that these drop, and the number of alts I have, and the rate at which you can get them from packs, I have NO PROBLEM with the way they are. It would take some quite a lot of missioning to get enough catalysts for all of my alts to slot all of these as superiors.
Just saying. If this is a problem with you, maybe you should play more alts.
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/Signed
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Quit feeding it, guys. We can keep throwing logic at him, but the OP has a 100% resistance to it.
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Quote:The problem I see with these two ideas (and there is nothing wrong with the ideas themselves, they sound feasible and interesting) is that it would require people to have very specific builds, or take powers that a lot of players wouldn't necessarily take. If one of the members happen to had said build, I would be more than happy to try that tactic, but I wouldn't request that anyone respec just to try it out.Originally Posted by New Dawn
Nova's can get beyond the maximum range of Lord Recluse with slotting. Therefore 8 Novas could of possibly taken out the Gens and AoE'd the maintenence men without the possibility of getting hit from Recluse then followed on to attack Recluse without getting hit nor necessarily causing him to run neither. The speed of it is questionable should everyone of been in Nova but it's also down to how people would of had there Novas.
Also on Inner Circle pulling AVs seperately is kind of easy especially for Novas with the lowest end costing first power, at full range from the side. One AV at a time would of been easier.
Alternatively Dwarf Form has Antagonize which is autohit I believe, so despite PB group fly which does -tohit debuff it would not of missed AVs. In theory, it could of been possible for a grp flied Dwarf to antagonize and by -ranging close enough on Recluse or other AVs where room was available, threat and -range 6 slotted Antagonize would of been good should taunting from a ledge with him jumping and falling be unsustainable. The grp flier could of also been there to Glow Touch for mishaps on any AV. When it comes to aerial kiting AVs other PBs could of been in melee human form simply blapping which has -fly in them limiting flying AVs to the ground. So coming together now, grp fly, antagonize, glowing touch and the blaps aid a dynamic.
And the problem with this one--at least as it applies to Recluse--is that until you get the defense towers down, I find it hard to believe you'd be able to stack it reliably. For the inner circle AV's (and the rest of them throughout the tf, of course) all the above tactics were actually unnecessary, as we managed to beat them all down with little trouble. We actually took on the inner circle two at a time, I think we had maybe one death. I don't even think anyone on the team used Lore until Recluse, though I could be wrong.Quote:Originally Posted by New Dawn
Warshades and Gravimetric Snare I would of hoped to aid in ground kiting where possible on tight maps. Kiting can limit what attacks an AV can use especially as -range is in play. Snares quickly stacked could also help a PB Dwarf fall back and be picked up by a grp flier and then fly over for an aerial kite as immobs can be less preferable to -fly and to make sure others aren't effected by the tohit debuffs. -
Quote:You'll generally want to go with Agility, for the end mod help. It's a blessing if you've skimped on Stamina, and it's effect carries into the forms and Stygian Circle. Spiritual has better recharge, but not enough to actually matter (and you should have perma everything with Agility anyways), and it's health aspect isn't as useful (IMO).Originally Posted by Thoran_EU
More questions: Which Incarnate powers do you suggest?
For Alpha I'm in doubt between Spiritual Core and Agility Core.
Interface is probably gonna be Radial Degenerative
And for Destiny i'm thinking about Clarion.
For Judgement and Lore i have no idea.
Radial Degenerative is a fine choice. Clarion is what I use.
For Judgement, the best thematic approach I've seen is Dechs' idea of using Vorpal. Warshades use tp, after all, so what better judgement than the Nightcrawler one? Barring that, Void is also thematic, but you may agree that you deal enough negative energy damage as it is.
Lore is really just a matter of personal taste, because most people can explain any choice they pick. I've picked storm elementals (explained as souls that are filled with hate and are stronger than my normal fluffies), but you can pick others. If you aren't going thematic, and DPS is what you're looking for, I believe someone on the Player Guides section did a comparison between them all. -
@Omega 3, Light Omega, 50+2 PB
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Quote:I agree, you didn't flat out state it. However, you did compare the UG to TPN, which is repetitive (I agree), so to a certain extent you implied it.Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Uh, I think we have found the basis of why we are having a two page "discussion" Stone Daemon. I never CLAIMed to value well written/executed content over rewards. Specifically not in this thread.
Ah, I see. This is what I wanted to know. Thank you. So it's just a different standards kind of thing.Quote:Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
With the DFB, there is no illusion that we are all running it many many times because it is the best written content in the game. It is just a very efficient way to get from 1-12 for some, and 1-22 for others. It was my hope, and the point of my initial post, that the Drowing In Blood trial would be at least a similar reward earned to time expended proposition. With grand hopes of being well written. But in truth it could be a 15+ BAF and i would run it endlessly to get from 15-22 or 15-30 if the rewards were similar to DFB, and I have heard they are not. Personally, I am as ignorant about this Trial as when I posted originally. I have been struggling to complete a Synapse, which I finally managed last night. Tonight I have hopes of 50ing my new Blaster (slim, but hopes) and this weekend I am out of town. So, I will be as ignorant about DIB Monday as I am today.
I'm not the one that jumped to attack me with intelligence insults. You did. I simply said that your views seemed hypocritical. Which they sort of are, but at least now I understand why.Quote:Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
But I was upfront about not knowing for sure the situation with the new Trial, and I do not believe you should attack me based on that. I posted here to get other peoples opinions on it since I was specifically not planning on running it this week. -
Quote:Let's talk about factual statements, shall we? Your excuse that UG is worth it's time spent vs reward is arguable, but valid as an opinion. I disagree, but that doesn't matter. What does matter is that you CLAIM you value well written/executed content over rewards. This, then, does not compute with your complaints of what is only hearsay to you at this point about a smaller reward/time in the Drowning in Blood trial.Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
It's an honest question. You did not read the sentence in my opinion that stated why I felt the rewards were worth it. When I pointed out the sentence that you seemed to have missed, you said the statement had little value. As if you did not comprehend that entire statement was my opinion. So, I am left to wonder if I am talking over your head. I am used to discussing things in college philosophy courses, and sometimes it takes me a while to realize it when I am dealing with people who do not communicate at that level. I am sorry if you found this insulting. Yet you seem to ignore all of the actual factual statements I have made about this discussion You have completely discounted my opinion as invalid in order to make the point that your calling me a hypocrite was justified. Now you are accusing me of insulting you when I am trying to figure out how you cannot understand the words I am typing. I really do not have any more time for this conversation. I am sorry if I insulted you. Have a good day.
You have not run this content to see if it is "worth it." You have instead come here, to complain that it is not as saturated in experience points as the first trial was. So tell me, then, Mr. College Philospher, how is this not a hypocritical stance? You took the time to write a multi-paragraph essay about a spade, I'm sure you can take the time to explain why you magically know that Drowning in Blood isn't worth the time to play, let alone the rewards you can get from it.
While we're on the subject, if you value content over rewards, why do you like Death From Below so much? It can't be because of the story and variety. You kill several mobs, you move to the next part. Rinse, repeat. And then two hydra bosses. Wow, that was amazing. It can't be because of a challenge, because it's routinely stomped by PuG's, and it's level 1 content. So tell me how it's not because you actually just want an alternate farming tool?
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Quote:I only request that you don't evade the topic with non sequiturs. Intelligence insults, while amusing, generally just reflect poorly on the user.Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Oh, if you need me to write shorter sentences and use smaller words just ask.
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Quote:And he still ignores it. When people do that, you know that they have no argument against it. That means that I am correct. Which, in turn, means that you are a hypocrite. Don't be blue, Centurion. It happens to most people sooner or later. Play the content, and come back with your opinion of it.Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Read this. Stop calling me a hypocrite. I have proven you to be a Stone Liar.
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Quote:That's an interesting short story and all, and I totally read it. I did. But you're still ignoring the fact that you're whining about reward/time of a trial you haven't done. But, wait, I thought you valued "Well written, challenging, and varied" content. Shouldn't you, you know, actually play this content before complaining about it?Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Hmm. Let me see if I understand this. You called me a hypocrite, and I pointed out a very clear statement I made that invalidated any reason for you calling me a hypocrite.
I gather from the paragraph above that you do not agree with my logic about the rewards/time metric, so you say "the difference is not that large". this basically frees you up to invalidate my opinion and still stand by you calling me a hypocrite.
In lofty Olde Englishe "Philippus aunswered, that the Macedonians wer feloes of no fyne witte in their termes but altogether grosse, clubbyshe, and rusticall, as they whiche had not the witte to calle a spade by any other name then a spade."
The Oxford English Dictionary records a more forceful variant, "to call a spade a bloody shovel", attested since 1919.
But what you have done is bend all the tines on my pitchfork together and called it a shovel. And that is just wrong. My opinion is valid, it is different than yours. But do not invalidate my opinion and then call me a hypocrite because you do not think my opinion matters. It is uncouth, and uncool. And more importantly, it ain't a bloody shovel. -
Quote:As it is possible to get rare/very rare rewards in the other trials (in less time), the difference is not really that large. And as you still have yet to run Drowning in Blood, my point is still valid. You care nothing for the actual content, just the rewards.Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I hate to have to quote myself. I realize it was not a three sentence post, but I very clearly stated why I believe that aside from the story and quality of the Underground Trial, the Rewards are commensurate to the time invested. I am sorry if this was unclear to you.
I believe in calling a spade a spade. I am sorry if that hurts your feelings.Quote:Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
PS, Do not call people names like hypocrite. Especially me. Thank you. -
Quote:I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's complaining about the rewards/time of something he hasn't even run, and then claiming rewards/time doesn't matter to him as long as the content is good in the next breath. It's pretty apparent he just cares about the farming utility of the trial.Originally Posted by Hopeling
I'm not sure that's even particularly hypocritical, if he really does like UG, it's merely inconsistent (and since when are we human beings logical and consistent in our preferences?). And I'm not sure it's really that inconsistent, either, since UG is an enjoy-it-once-in-a-while thing, while DiB is an play-it-several-times-in-a-row-on-every-new-character thing.
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Quote:But judging by this, you're just a hypocrite.Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Drowning in Blood (DIB) is the new LFG for 15+ that follows up Death From Below (DFB). hearsay is the experience earning is meh. My hope is that it (DIB) is at least worth as many bars as DFB for time invested. Otherwise I will still be using DFB way more than I am happy with for 15-22, and sometimes to crank the last few bars of a level while I wait for TFs, friends, etc.
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Quote:Ok, so what you're saying is variety and story trumps reward/time?Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I LOVE the Underground Trial. Although, yes, it takes an hour and a half or longer. It is very well written. It is challenging. It has variation. It fits the story very well.
And if DiB is worse than DfB...
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Quote:And you have no problem with it? It's twice as long (or more, if the league is trying for badges) as the other trials, for similar rewards.Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
No I have run the Underground Trial. That is the level 50 fighting a Hami sized DE thingy that confuses everyone? I even have a tier 4 Clarion I use just for that room and the Master Badge (on one character at least)
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So, I made a new hero character last week (a stalker) that I decided to do an experiment with; I would go through all the story arcs and low level content I possibly could. There would be a couple exceptions, some of which being stuff that I've done recently (such as Hollows), and xp saturated content (Death From Below, task forces, etc). Another rule I made was to only kill what I needed to beat the mission, so as to experience more content.
Anyhow, it's been really interesting but that's all beside the point. When I arrived at Kings Row (and on up to steel/skyway), I started getting a lot of contacts. I spoke to them to try to get story arcs, and what do I get? One off missions. Ok, perhaps that would lead to a story arc eventually, right? Nope. Nothing. There were several contacts that did that to me--but that's ok, not everything has to be tied together. Even though that's what we have radio missions and tip missions for. I had several contacts give me NOTHING but hunts (street sweeps) and "Hey go talk to that Security Chief/Longbow Liaison/Contact in Hollows." I even did one of those and went back. "Oh hai, here take this hunt mission." No story arcs from them either. And they were new contacts.
Compare this to contacts in Croatoa, Faultline, Peregrine Island and Striga (though some of them will have you do some "One offs" first), and of course any newer content that will immediately give you a story arc. I'm not sure if this is because of the over-saturation of contacts at low levels, with a random mission factor, but something needs to be done. It's embarrassing how bad some of these older contacts are.
I don't mind a few (ok, I do mind, but I can live with it) contacts that want to lead you around by the nose to visit the PVP/hazard zone contacts, but when every new contact you try to see does it? There's a reason I only run Twinshot/Graves on my badgers. So, my suggestion would be to cut down and remove the superfluous contacts, and delegate the nose leading to certain ones that people can skip around if they so choose. -
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Quote:You haven't run the Underground Trial yet, then?Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Drowning in Blood? Okay, I have not run it yet, so this is hearsay. But I heard the experience earned is less than DFB for the time invested.