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Thanks GG!
If they rescind the cancellation and rehire the staff I'll undeclare my little war, including my boycott (join because it's leverage - I'm pretty sure they're aware of my group because I have plastered their facebook page with it) -
Quote:My money is an investment in a product and lines the pocket of a CEO. If I think that investment is worth it I have no problem with aforesaid lining. I will not invest in anything NCSoft because I do not consider any product they make or will ever make to be worth it.The way I see it, if you yourself don't think of your money as an investment in a product, you're shortselling yourself. Support the product that you think deserves money rather than believing you're lining the pockets of some evil CEO. Because if you don't, you'll never get the product you deserve for the price you're willing to pay.
Dunno about you, but I'm buying what games I find fun and innovative because I'm supporting the artists, writers, designers, programmers, animators, musicians, etc who make the game in hopes the future will be just as fun and innovative. Boycotts only stifle advancement and blinds oneself with their own emotions. Similarly, if Sony supported the continuation of CoH, those boycotting Sony simply expresses the sentiment that 'CoH is still not worth my soul'.
Well dignity and money are two seperate things in this world. Either you want the product that you want or you should be dumping it all into charities for people that don't have it.
I buy the product that I want. I do not want a product derived from abusing workers, which is how I consider NCSoft's treatment of the Paragon Studios staff. Therefore, I do not want any NCSoft product.
I buy products I enjoy. I can not enjoy something that I know that derives from the suffering of others. Therefore, I do not want any NCSoft product.
I buy products I find fun and innovative and support the creators of said products. I am supporting no one if the best gratitude they can get from an employer is a no notice termination and 'Don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out' treatment. I certainly do not support a company who has already treated its best talent that way and shown them the door. I have no trust that they would recognize innovative if it bit them on the ***.
I have money and will spend it how I choose. I choose not to give it to NCSoft. I have dignity and make my own decisions about what charities and how much support I give them. It is not an either/or situation.
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Quote:I'd be more forgiving, but wouldn't forget. I'd not likely be willing to buy another NCSoft product, but part of my reason for this isn't just COH it is seeing how Aion is run. Short of Aion being cancelled in the same way as COH the NA and EU Aion community have gotten the shaft. Knowing that I'd trust any other game company to take my desires as a NA player into account than NCSoft.So let me ask this, and I really want serious answers because I'm in the midst of writing releases and communications: What if NCsoft agrees to let us or someone else purchase the IP and software?
Given that NCsoft wants to focus on other efforts, how would you, the City of Heroes community, feel if they came out and said something to the effect of, "Unfortunately, City of Heroes isn't part of our future, but we understand that you still want it to be part of yours," and opened the door for the game assets to be given or sold to someone else?
I think that if NCSoft were willing to do this they'd have quietly put the game up for sale before the announcement on Friday. Instead of Friday's announcement we'd have instead seen a press release like the one when Paragon Studios was formed. Friday's announcement hurt the earnings potential for the game for any company that might consider purchasing it. I saw a lot of "goodbye and thanks for everything" messages in global this weekend and compared to usual my gfriend list is about half as active as it usually is on a Monday night around this time. -
Quote:The problem with looking at overall profits is that it doesn't show the cause or which game or games or marketing strategies are responsible.The counter-point to that is to look at the profit numbers for the last 5 quarters. That graph is pretty damn discouraging.
As my husband just told me - they're going to self implode eventually with what they're doing. -
Quote:If you play Aion it's not beyond the realm of reason. I don't see this for COH, in this game there's really no need and shouldn't be a viable market for gold sellers. In Aion there is on both counts, though I don't see it being something the company officially endorses. It does feel as though the game economy is designed as an RMT's dream.What if NCSoft was playing both sides of the fence; making money from their legitimate subs and micros while being the controlling entity of the RMT rings?
As CoX implemented more deterrence to RMT, the heads of the NCSoft Hydra began to wither and the beast struck back with a killing blow; refocusing its hunger within its other prospects.
Don't take this seriously folks.
A friend literally saw a GM in game meet with a player, log off, RMT log on and back off, and the GM get back on. That's pretty damn blatant. If the company isn't doing it, some of its employees are. -
Quote:I agree. This is how I feel. I'm wondering just what it would take to trigger a sell off and drop in its price and investor confidence.NCSoft gave us a big middle finger. We need to make it profitable for them to sell the game, then give them the middle finger back by making it succeed where they didn't see it happening. And also by not purchasing any more of their products. I'm not. Any game I see listed on NCSoft's main site is black flagged in my eyes.
As consumers and "the little people"...our ONLY way to make ourselves heard is by affecting what matters most to a corporation. Their bottom line. Money. We can do this, if we stick together about it.
This is not the first time a corporation has done something that has hurt its customer base...and it won't be the last time.....yet. It will take time and effort...but we can change this paradigm. And when enough of us get sick of being treated with more and more injustice from corporations....it WILL change.
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/grvy
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I would play COH2 when it came out as long as anyone other than NCSoft held it.
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Quote:I have played Aion for almost 3 years (only because my best friend won't give up the game) and can confirm all of the above and add a few more observations:
Or even just peruse Aion's North American forums sometime! Whole Aion character databases have been accidentally wiped off the face of the earth with nary an apology or open admission, XP rates have been accidentally halved (making crafting and leveling take twice as long) when Korean patches have been installed, and nothing is ever fixed or openly admitted to, period. Routine lag of 2000-3000 ms from people with otherwise excellent broadband (not to mention getting bumped off in the middle of fort takeovers, which reset whilst the server crashed, etc.) happens daily. And NO ONE CARES, lol. Read the Aion NA forums! The whole entire world outside Asia is hosted on 4 tiny, lag-infested, crashing messes of servers in NA, and all they do is slow XP way down and jack up the prices of XP pots in the cash shop.
Aion's store gouges. There's a reason the NCSoft Q2 report cited poor store sales for Aion's loss. $5 prices encourage a lot more sales than $20 prices. Aion's store leans towards the latter, even for one-use cosmetic items.
Aion's game model is based on repeatable quests, things you have to do dozens or even hundreds of times. It is a grindfest.
Level gaining is very, very slow.
Crafting is ridiculously slow, overpriced, and unproductive.
A game marketed because you can fly and you can only fly for very limited amounts of time in a few places.
When Aion went FTP it screwed veterans. Things that were previously veteran rewards remained with existing characters but had to be bought from the store for any new characters.
Aion only allows 8 characters per account. Period.
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I'll give them until Friday before I get nasty. My husband knows that when I'm still angry and yelling or arguing I can still be reasoned with. When the talking stops is when I'm at my most dangerous.
I'm still talking. -
Quote:Knowing this I'd now be willing to give CO or another Cryptic game a try. It won't be COH, but it might be fun and I've got the money to spend.Thanks for posting this. In the wake of the news, and given that emotions were running high, it seemed like a plausible rumor. Cooler heads should have prevailed, but we're only human. I hope Cryptic/PWE wasn't hurt by this and that people give their games a chance if this rumor was holding them back.
I'll need to find something since it will no longer be COH or Aion if the cancellation holds.
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Quote:I hope your way works, MonkeyB. I'd rather it did, actually, I just have no faith it can.Yeah. I hate to say it, Steele, but that's absolutely the wrong way to go about it. While the content is pretty much all true, you can't strike a confrontational tone with a CEO. You can't demand concessions from someone from whom we need a huge favor. Threats won't influence him in any constructive way.
Just came back from the mail room myself,
Took me forever to find an envelope,
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Believe it or not that was the 'polite' draft. As much as I admire Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, the Dalai Lama, and Gandhi they are not the inspiration of my methods here. The Arab Spring is. I have no faith that our modern world respects the pacifist. I have even less faith that big money respects little money unless it is but to steal it.
I am more fight than flight.
It may end up in the waste basket, in fact it probably will. That does not change my resolve. If I fail I will at least have tried.
PS: If you think that was scathing you should read my political commentaries. -
Dear NCSoft and Mr. Taek Jin Kim,
This has been the best MMO I've ever played. None other even comes close. I've been a continuous subscriber since 2004 for four accounts for my family.
Your treatment of the staff of Paragon Studios was inexcusable and unforgivable. Your ignorance of how players would react to that is unfathomable. You obviously know nothing about us or our culture.
The decision to cancel this profitable game while sparing unprofitable Aion (which I also played 2009-present) is dumb. I've spent thousands in subscriptions and several hundred in the stores of both games. That ends immediately. Unless the decision to cancel this game is rescinded you'll never see another penny from me. I'll be telling everyone I know never to play your games because you don't value your western hemisphere players.
I have also created a Boycott NCSoft Facebook group which is growing in size every day. https://www.facebook.com/groups/517513781597443/
In the short term petitions gain a lot of support and I've signed them, but I doubt you care about them. In the long term I hope that my boycott campaign will do actual damage and that you should care about. Ask the President of Egypt how social media worked out for him.
I will never stop unless you reinstate COH and actually value your western hemisphere players like you do the eastern hemisphere ones. Your company's vision doesn't include us, our purchase decisions shouldn't include you. I've read your financial Q2 report. I am not ignorant, it's clear where you were earning and where you were losing money.
I won't stop until your company is bankrupt or City of Heroes and the entire staff of Paragon Studios reinstated.
Power to the player!
Angela Floyd
United States
Note: Here's the info
Mr. Taek Jin Kim
CEO NCsoft Corporation
1501 4th Avenue, Suite 2050 Seattle, WA 98101
USA Tel: (512) 225-6359 or 206-588-7200 -
Quote:I know this guy won't see it, but if anyone wants it here is NCSoft's Q2 report (requires PDF download): http://www.scribd.com/doc/102444902/...ancial-ResultsMore sense to shutter Aion? Your opinion is completely lacking in business acumen.
Edit: Your dumb sig graphic has put you on the ignore list. Enjoy!
Quote from report: AION was weak due to scaled back in-game item sales.
COH/V didn't merit a single specific mention like that. Box sales of COH were low compared to Aion's, but didn't result in a loss like Aion did. That's what I'm basing my opinion on. I play both games, it's not like I'm hating on Aion.. -
Sheesh, give a girl 30 seconds to fix an image will you? After I updated my sig I saw it was too big and changed it. Apparently not fast enough.
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My opinion:
NCSoft retained unprofitable Aion because it's an eastern hemisphere game with eastern hemisphere jobs at the expensve of profitable COH because it's a western hemisphere game with western hemisphere jobs and . It would have made more sense to shutter Aion. They didn't.
They could have given the staff notice and treated them with respect. They didn't.
They could have given the customer base notice so as we didn't spend money on PPs we'll not use. They didn't.
I am grateful that NCSoft gave us City of Heroes. I am angry about their recent actions and I have a right to be. My decision to boycott stands until the death sentence against COH is rescinded and everyone at Paragon Studios gets their jobs back with an apology. -
It make seem contradictory, but it's really not. Take my money for COH or face a boycott, NCSoft. There are no other choices, I now wouldn't play GW2 if it was given to me for free.
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Posted on my Boycott NCSoft Facebook page.
It's an open page, all are welcome to join. Put social media to work for our game! -
That's cool, as long as the information is out there!
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City of Heroes, an 8-year strong comic-book superhero themed Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Games (MMORPG), has remained a popular online game ever since it launched on April 27, 2004. While not as large as games such as World of Warcraft, Guild Wars or Lineage, it retained a strong and very loyal fan base. Despite its age, the game still was winning awards for innovation, even being listed as the Best Sci-Fi/Superhero game of 2009 by Beckett Media. Over the years, City of Heroes has retained an incredibly loyal fan base, with an estimated 43 million characters created by over nine million players. Paragon Studios (named after the games fictional setting of Paragon City), the creative force behind City of Heroes, along with its owner NC Soft, had found a recipe for MMORPG success.
Then it came as an incredible surprise to have this post on the games website the past Friday, August 31st:
Farewell, from all of us at Paragon Studios
This morning we announced that Paragon Studios will be taking to the skies of City of Heroes for the last time.
In a realignment of company focus and publishing support, NCsoft has made the decision to close Paragon Studios. Effective immediately, all development on City of Heroes will cease and we will begin preparations to sunset the worlds first, and best, Super Hero MMORPG before the end of the year. As part of this, all recurring subscription billing and Paragon Market purchasing will be discontinued effective immediately. We will have more information regarding a detailed timeline for the cessation of services and what you can expect in game in the coming weeks.
The team here at Paragon deserves special praise for all that we have accomplished over the last 5+ years. These developers are some of the most creative and talented people in the gaming industry. By now, weve all been given this news internally, but to anyone who may be reading this message after the fact; know that your hard work and dedication has not gone unappreciated or unnoticed. To any potential studios looking to grow your team; hire these people. You wont regret it.
To our Community,
Thank you. Thank you for your years of support. Youve been with us every step of the way, sharing in our challenges, encouraging us to make City of Heroes better, more than everyone else thought it could be. We couldnt have come this far without you. I implore you all, focus on the good things of CoH and Paragon Studios. Dont dwell on the how or the why, but rather join us in celebrating the legacy of an amazing partnership between the players and the development team.
Thank you, and Ill see you in the skies, one last time.
Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios.
The players found themselves shocked into disbelief, that the holding company was shutting down both a profitable game and a development studio with minimal notice. While City of Heroes was not the largest of NC Softs assets, it was a cash cow bringing in what has been estimated as up to $10 million net profits per year. But instead of complaining, or surrendering, the players instead decided to act like the heroes they had created, and decided on working to save themselves. To coördinate this, they turned to the still fledgling power of social media.
Almost immediately, the player community began to pull together. Within hours, they launched a petition to ask NCSoft to reconsider. Also appeared a letter writing campaign to NCSofts executives. Discussions began to talk about forming a campaign to raise the funds to purchase the game from NCSoft directly. Notable celebrities which played the game such as Mercedes Lackey have chimed in. Facebook groups appeared to help the players network and plan.
And even in the game itself, being kept up until November to meet contractual obligations, people took their characters to the streets in a virtual Occupy Paragon protest.
There are rumors that the shutdown is because NC Softs new major stockholder, Nexon, is putting pressure on them as a result of cost overruns on the new games, Guild Wars 2 and Blade & Soul, producing a $6m loss in the second quarter of this year. The announced sale did cause the stock price to rise by 3.41%. This of course helps NC Softs CEO, Taek Jin Kim, keep up his golden parachute.
The use of social media to effect change is still very new. While the Arab Spring showed the power of it against governments, the use of it against large multinational corporations is still in its infancy. For years, the consumer has been ignored by corporations, who outsource their customer support, sell their customers private data, artificially increase short-term profits through offshoring, or through retail tricks such as what Consumerist magazine calls the Grocery Shrink Ray, where the company advertises goods as the same size, when in fact the newer product is slightly smaller to increase profits at the expense of the customer. To further add insult to injury, with the Citizens United decision, these very multinational corporations which feel that they are above paying taxes and being responsible to clean up their messes now can buy our elections. This remains a large problem, brought into a microcosm in a single case of a company shutting down a profitable product against the wishes of its customers.
Can a customer base change their fortune? Will NC Soft change its mind, or sell off the property to a new owner? The future is uncertain. However, in the modern social-media world, where global movements can begin overnight, I would not yet count on City of Heroes flying off into the sunset just yet.
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Something along the lines of History in the making with additional emphasis upon the community (like MSR or Hami raid scenes or gatherings upon the steps of Atlas, etc), scenery from the game, and something brief about each major NPC. It rather sounds like a movie with all this, but somehow it all fits.
5th Anniversary has been my favorite video of all and even before this announcement moved me to tears. It just wouldn't be right without the story, the cast, and world, and the community.
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Friday: Shock, disbelief, rage, a trip to the liquor store
Saturday: Grief, imbibing the product of said liquor store trip, play from waking up to bed
Sunday: Nostalgia, a bit more imbibing, playing favorite characters with friends, community MSR, migraine, recovering from said migraine now
Monday: I have to leave COH to go to a cookout, to be followed by more playing and possible imbibing. There's still a lot left in the bottle because I bought a 1.75L. The occasion seemed to call for it.
*Maybe the imbibing had something to do with the migraine, but maybe not. After all I've had migraines for 15 years and don't often imbibe. More likely it was the effect of staring at this monitor for almost 2 days straight. -
I would play regardless of who bought it and if it meant starting over. I could do that. I would do that. I promise I'd even buy four subs (that's how many I have now for me, my husband, my mother, and my brother) and drop money into any online store the first day. I'd already resubbed three of those accounts for a year in July (the other being paid incrementally), money which I should get back, and am more than ready to drop on anyone who'll extend this olive branch.
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