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Okay, let's turn this around on you. Can you come up with a way to curb the farming that won't hinder 'real' PvP'ers from getting the recipes?

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I'll assist on that one. Opposite faction farmers stay in drone holes in either base.

Prior to PvP NGE I thought most drone holes got fixed (by adding additional drones) on something resembling a regular basis. The hole in the villain base coverage is particularly striking since it's almost right on top of the villain mission contact.

A couple new drones should solve things I'd think (where "solve"="keep PvP in the zone proper, not in the base"). Or perhaps some bored Malta sappers.

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Making money in WW is a piece of cheesecake and the high prices and instability of the market is the delicious strawberry topping.

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Fixt due to cheesecake.

I'll take a whack at Iltat's contention, since I just read it and was baffled, too.

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In the reasonably early days, if you were level 10 and broke, as there was no Ouroboros, you simply pimped the fortune teller.

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True, but unreasonable. First, many of us don't have the wherewithall to hunt down those 50s. Plus, while all that is happening, leveling could be happening instead. Plus, in the end, I never felt good about taking the tip the couple times I managed to find a 50.

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I think part of the reason people consider themselves broke is that they are trying builds that were not particularly fun before IOs....Some of these builds can be done fairly cheaply with IOs, but if you don't do TFs or farm tickets...one numinas or miracle unique can easily be more spare cash than you have when you hit 50 without doing anything extravagant on the way.

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Unreasonable. You left out far easier Option #3: learn to play the market. Place bids, collect loot, walk away and play. Eventually, you can just buy the Miracle after someone else did the heavy lifting.

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The second part of feeling broke is that you can no longer do what you used to do with patience on the market.

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Dubya T. Eff, Lyndon Baynes Johnson barbeque? Patience and some kind of starting cash (as in 1 influence) and you can do anything you want. I'm on every server, both factions, and some very wierd builds here and there. Patience has worked for everything. Plus this bit doesn't square well with your fine last paragraph.

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Unless I get lucky with drops, I tend to hit 50 with a build full of non top of the line set bonuses, a couple of merit purchased shinies and about 50M in cash. I craft/sell drops that are worth selling and have a reasonable handle on how to maximise cash from my drops without actively marketeering.

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Solution to the "problem" is at the end of the paragraph. You're not the first to post something like that, and you won't be the last. Vive le market forum.

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I cripple my own inf generation somewhat by preferring to level toons up than play my 36 (non PLd) 50s and also preferring to play in teams when I can thus minimising drops. I also refuse to farm.

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Not as baffling as LBJ's BBQ above, but...unusual, like a Bjork outfit. Any of my broke characters (and I don't have many of those anymore) can start increasing their bankroll simply by playing. It focuses attention on what they need, I can get some severe lowball bids in on things (both to use and to flip), and get set to complete most of their build by level 30. With that done, influence coming in from 31-50 is gravy. No crippling at all. Just not enough time to play all 80+ characters. And the occasional lucky drop helps, too. Team vs. solo play connundrum is a known issue, though.

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I've just started doing some active marketeering, and am making plenty of inf both sides for any non purple/PVP IOs I could want, but getting into serious purple territory will take me a while.

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Best thing in the post. In fact, just keeping that last paragraph would have served you well. Great observation of a work-in-progress, as with many things involving the market.

And it would be a terrible shame if the cat who organized the last test decided to initiate it again.

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Just thought I'd comment on a couple things...

Just playing the game to fifty does NOT guarentee you millions of inf.

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Regardless if this statement is true or not, why should leveling a toon to 50 entitle you to millions of inf?

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If in the bad old days you would be able to do so (vending SOs to the correct stores, and not to that bozo Golden Falcon (especially if you ran in SG mode), and after level 47 there wasn't much left to purchase), then in the good new days all the more so: You still get SO drops, and generic recipes in the upper levels are worth a pretty penny in their own right. Add to that the change in earning while in SG mode, you'd have to be trying your darndest not to earn millions.

We also tested it: a 50 can make at least a million an hour (though my mind troller mentioned earlier topped out at 800K from defeats and SOs no matter what scenario I ran; it wasn't enough to tip the average below 1 mil in all the scores reported. However, including IO drop sales on average would get him over that last 200K easily).

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Yeah, pretty much it does where "millions" = "a quantity of millions in excess of 1 such million."

3 50s, all done before I9 came out, and played in SG mode most of their existence:

mind/FF troller - about 2 million upon hitting 50
stone/axe tank - about 8 million
fire/fire tank - about 12 mil free and clear, then worked up to 21 mil in anticipation of the market hitting.

All quantities that equal millions.

As a comparison, though, I had a fire/rad that I started after I9 hit (one Etruscan Snood). As the Penny Ante Operator of the market forum, I took it upon myself to do some heavy lifting in DA during my 20s and start mini-marketing on the way. By the time I was in the late 20s, I was well on the way toward Field Crafter, achieved it by 36 with about 40 mil in tow, and outfitted the above 50s with most of their IOs.

And if the Penny Ante Operator of the forum can do it, well, in the words of Martin Yan, "If Yan can cook, so can you."

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I'll give you 10 influence for 8 infamy- special price, this transaction only!

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Isn't this the type of deal that should be offered on SUNDAY, SUNDAY, SUNDAY at the {LOCAL SPORTS ARENA}!!!!

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Red side it's Arbiter...Really who cares.

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I hadn't realized until now that I totally agree with this. It's almost anti-climactic to train villain side.

Hero side, big props to m' gal Mirror Spirit. When she went missing for so long it was an especially trying time.

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If you start in Galaxy, the mission arcs send you to Atlas anyway....

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Starter contact missions keep you in Galaxy.

It's round 2 that might have you go all over (Paco and the idjit by the Perez Park door). But by then you should be level 5 and in Kings Row as you noted.

If playing with IOs for fun and profit, work your stock on the weekends when people buying it NAO push the price up (and restock on weekdays).

If buying stuff for yourself, put in some more patient bids and wait awhile.

FYI, some of us do most of our IOing for self use between 30-33 so it's mostly done for the run up to 50 (at those levels it's easy to hit ED caps, and leaves you at full bonus strength for lvl 30 TFs and zones like Siren). That, and most of your slots would have already been dedicated to marketing all that time.

Dive in and go nuts, though. Don't be afraid of a few mistakes along the way. And for goodness' sake, don't end bids and postings in "000."

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We know some of you have heard this before...We will announce a firm date for the move soon

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Other things that will be announced soon:

1) Whirled peas
2) The Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl
3) A balanced federal budget
4) The final 3 Star Wars movies announced
5) City Vault
6) Vladimir Putin joins the Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus
7) Said Vladimir Putin has creative differences with the circus and joins Cirque du Solei instead.
8) 512234512wwwwThe chat bug gets fixed

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4) Then (I alternately forget and remember the poster; today is a "forget" day) a newer market poster at the time wondered if they could get a level 1 character a million influence without defeating anything. Done.

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I don't think this refers to my work in this area, but I did do something similar. Started a level 1, skipped the tutorial, killed one enemy, gave away all but 1 influence, then went to the market. In a week, I had over 100,000 inf. A few weeks later I had over 1 million. I got tired of it, and got to level 6 for extra slots, then got bored at 10 million. Guy is still at the market in Atlas, waiting for me to be interested again. Getting to 100,000 inf took less than 2 hours logged in time if I remember right.

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Last time I mentioned this story, he popped back in to remind us it was him. My bus ride home didn't illuminate anything for me I'm afraid.

However, there was at least one other story inspired by that thread. Frozen_Horizon, back when you could respec IOs at full value, went around Atlas asking to borrow 5K(?) with a promise to repay it within 20 minutes. He got it done with minutes to spare and then was off and running toward a mil.

Those kinds of things inspired me to get Field Crafter at level 19. I should finally get it at 10 sometime, but I'm one of those that likes the low level game and I find it hard to resist actually leveling..

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We kinda do projects.

1) First off was Fulmens' 6 million (dollar) man project, wherein he attempted to nicely (where "nicely" = performance superior to SOs, not set bonus mayhem) IO out a blaster with but 6 million influence. Child's play in his hands.

2) Then (c'mon, I may be out of sequence here; just pretend it was next) as a result of the whining about prices when I9 released, someone wondered just how much a lowbie would make by level 10 if they suboptimally sold their drops. Many results for that one (and we did it again the following year) and it was a around 150K - 300K IIRC.

3) Hand in hand with that was Catwhoorg's 50 challenge: how much can a lvl 50 make in an hour? Answer: at least 1 mil per hour. Lots of results in that one (that was a lot of fun really).

4) Then (I alternately forget and remember the poster; today is a "forget" day) a newer market poster at the time wondered if they could get a level 1 character a million influence without defeating anything. Done.

5) An infamous poster who is convinced that {X} is out to get him, was assured that the ran-dumb number generator was out to get him. And thus was born the Pool C drops thread, which evolved into a Post #9 ancestor. Posting results there was a nice fitting end to many a TF for many folks. And of course the results pretty much showed that drops are pretty ran-dumb. (Side note: I miss Speed Katie/Cap. *sniff*)

6) GECCo and a band of intrepid folks decided to see if Luck Charm prices could be crashed on a sustained basis. Acres of Luck Charms were farmed and bought, and then BOOM (goes the dynamite) they were dropped on the market. The price crashed for...a couple days?

Then there are the side projects, like Fulmens smacking people's niches up, Smurphy challenging people to corner the market on things, etc. etc.

And the KeepDistance project was pretty darn amazing.

"...the tough get going?"

No wait, I think that has something to do with the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

If you were the sharkest of the quints, I might be able to oblige. It's always best to work with the top dog, y'know.

The following parties/phenomena* are responsible for the destruction of the game:

1) Jack Emmert and his Vision
2) ED/GDN
3) PvPers
4) Marketeers
5) RMTers
6) AE Farmers

Seriously, with all these nefarious forces at work, I can't believe the servers can even boot anymore. I look forward to adding the RPers to the list as Rogue Rage gets into full swing.


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So, you're saying i'm illogical because i'd rather be able to get drops than to buy them in WW?

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Well, yeah. You have essentially built a financial plan contingent on winning the lottery, except that Posi gives better odds.

If your goal truly is to just log in and kill stuff, you should be using generic IOs, and you should have had them back at level 32 for the most part. Regular posters here know the Goat has advocated getting your cheap bids up for these things and walking away. Within a few logins you'll have what you need (I tend to just place cheap bids on the recipes and salvage, but it's the same principle; and especially villainside I'll lay in a pittance on a generic I'll need soon--I have yet to be disappointed).

You boasted a little while ago that you do okay in both PvE and PvP, so why the purples? It's your $15, you can continue to attempt to win the lottery, but after 2 years (IOs and the market have only been around 2 years and change) I'd think you'd have looked at your personal data and realized it's not going to happen.

Now if you're the type of person that thinks after 2 years of failure, you're "due," for goodness' sake stay away from slot machines. That's what got eryq1.

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I can name several recipes that i've never even seen drop on my accounts over 4 years.

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Heck, I've only seen one on my one account for 44 years...

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Follow our advice and you'll be swimming in inf like Scrooge McDuck in no time at all.

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Follow the advice in here, and you can pay someone to swim in your inf. like Scrooge McDuck in no time at all.

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New player here and new to these boards. Which advice specifically? I'm willing to put in the effort and I'd like to better understand the IO/SO system while doing it. A point in the right direction is all I'm asking here.

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Check the guides that are stickied in this forum. However, the basics are pretty much the same:
<ul type="square">[*]Observe prices on what you want to buy for awhile. Know where the highs and lows are.[*]The Last 5 prices are like the Pirate Code--more of a suggestion. When you want to buy or sell, use what you know from the first bullet: place your bids/post yours sales and walk away. Adjust as necessary.[*]Be aware that prices are lower earlier in the week. Perhaps you should buy then.[*]Be aware that prices are higher on the weekends. Perhaps you should sell then. Or when you have uber loot, buy stuff NAO because you can. [*]Heroes are weird: They will pay you outrageous sums to make stuff for them. Go fig.[*]The Smurphy Challenge: What is the lowest you can buy X that you have been observing? Can you sell it for at least 10% more than what you paid? Congrats, you now have something to flip for profit (and a niche for Fulmens to smack up).[/list]
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I'll start looking at the guides. My problem begins with bullet one. I don't know 'what' to observe because as a new player I don't know what is good and what is bad. Perhaps the guides will help clear some of this up.

Thanks for the pointers...I'd like to make a lot of money 'making' things as part of my characters roleplay so that's where I'll start.

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Knew I forgot one. Just use the Writer's Principle: Write what you know.

In your case, what did you want to buy lately? There's a pretty good chance other people did, too. What level of that do people like? Any particular reason, or are they just sheep? How much is the salvage? Does something seem like it's inordinately high?

Dive in and go nuts. Don't be afraid of mistakes, but for goodness' sake don't bid and buy in even 000. You will more easily type an extra zero in there and hit return.

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New player here and new to these boards. Which advice specifically? I'm willing to put in the effort and I'd like to better understand the IO/SO system while doing it. A point in the right direction is all I'm asking here.

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Check the guides that are stickied in this forum. However, the basics are pretty much the same:
<ul type="square">[*]Observe prices on what you want to buy for awhile. Know where the highs and lows are.[*]The Last 5 prices are like the Pirate Code--more of a suggestion. When you want to buy or sell, use what you know from the first bullet: place your bids/post yours sales and walk away. Adjust as necessary.[*]Be aware that prices are lower earlier in the week. Perhaps you should buy then.[*]Be aware that prices are higher on the weekends. Perhaps you should sell then. Or when you have uber loot, buy stuff NAO because you can. [*]Heroes are weird: They will pay you outrageous sums to make stuff for them. Go fig.[*]The Smurphy Challenge: What is the lowest you can buy X that you have been observing? Can you sell it for at least 10% more than what you paid? Congrats, you now have something to flip for profit (and a niche for Fulmens to smack up).[/list]

Mighty fond of Assassin Strike, and moreso now with the graphic bug where you can kill something so fast it doesn't know it's dead.

I also enjoy variations on a knockback theme:
<ul type="square">[*]Air Superiority + Snipe to the face [*]Power Thrust + Snipe to the face[*]Power Thrust (buh-bye) + a quickly queued Bonesmasher (goes off when soon-to-be-expired baddie lands)[/list]Bonus points if you can get something hung up on a wall so it twitches after the kill.

And, of course, any series of attacks that can keep a Death Shaman from summoning time-wasters.

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Like when buying up enough Miracle uniques to outfit every toon I have. And noticing that the lvl 40s were selling for like 100M (and I bought mine for around 25M). How do you not sell that when you have like 10 more in stock?

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In my Playskool version of this story, I had been waiting a week for a level 30 Adjusted Targeting: Rech. I saw a level 31 got posted just last night, so I laid down my usual opening salvo: 512 (the last 5 averaged about 500,000)

It won. Then the dilemma started: "I really ought to flip this...but I don't want to wait another week." I wussed out and used it.

Perhaps, Grandpa dave_p, you could tell me a story about The War to cheer me up.

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I'm not ever going to team with or invite to team any stalkers, ever.

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This is akin to withholding a plastic knife from Rambo. Somehow, someway, he (and stalkers) might possibly survive.

Since I myself use such recipes all the time, I post most everything for a certain time period (3-7 days, depending on slot clog). After they've had their moment in the sun, they get vended.

Lousy sleep and confuse pieces are most likely to get immediately vendored, though.

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Guess some people have never heard of the VRPAAABMGDLEEBDFFBG.

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I hear they also invented the chat bug.