Southern_Comfort

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Whirling Hands is noticeably better. The others, could use some adjustment still. PSW is supposedly getting it's target cap increased.

Building an AoE Dom is still a possibility but means choosing a AoE damaged focused Primary (like Fire) and pairing it with /Fire or /PSI. (Which honestly is no different than before).

If you're already a Fire/PSI or Fire/Fire Permadom it just takes a slight change in tactics. I'm still mowing down mobs on mine, with little effort. It's not as mind numbingly easy as it was on live, but it works better than I could've hoped for. Also the hassle of positioning PSW to get it to work is exaggerated. I don't move jump or anything. I lock em down with Flashfire and FireCages. Hit PSW, smack down Drain psyche, and PSW. Lather, rinse, repeat.

As long as long as Dom's have some AoE options that allow us to complete with other high performers, most people will be satisfied in the end I think.

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Where did you get the idea that "Psw is getting its target cap increased"? I must have missed that note.

On the other hanD I dont really care and welcome this damage buff.I'm gonna have 2 shades of fun in pvp til they realize" Oooops we f'ed up again!!" ** does a Britney Spears get low on the stage**

Simply amazing to me the realm of idiocy( for lack of a better word) the developers design continually.I got the reason for ED and GDN . I even get some of this reasoning. But typically after a major overhaul the reason for wahtever choices made in design become apparant. I am going on 5 issues and no perk to offset the idiocy or give clarity to the design decisions.

No big... roll with it babee!!

Editing to add...... Who really cares about whirling hands? C'mon? Again, basically getting back to homogenization. Big deal whirling hands is right up there with jumpkick and flurry now.Rock, paper, scissors!!!! Yay!!!!!!

In addition, /psi changes are fine.There is no need for additional targets cap. Multitask.

I understand and agree with you to a point. I was here for ED and GDN as well. Don't let the forum date on this account fool you.Iappreciate your opinion but I also know many oldschool players with multiple 50's ( as in 30+ characters at 50 if not more)who feel the same as Beef. The guy is the leading badger for the game. Has invested time in websites to help the game and its players.

I am just saying I understand why people are getting fed up at this point. Not agreeimng or disagreeing. Thats all.

Weeding through posts is most definitely problematic.But maybe theres some merit to be found when more and more veteran players hang up hats because they disagfree with a change or changes.

Again I am simply pointing out both sides.

/w threadjack over. My apologies.

You cant blame people for reading the patchnotes and freaking. I know I did. I went and played them though and refrained from posting until I had.

As a min//maxer and a dreaded farmer I will miss some aspects of my dominator builds. I realize that this is an ok compromise after playing on test.

I think( my opinion here so add disclaimer) that many veteran players are tired of the continual need to reroll for optimum character performance.It makes the game a chore or a job and not fun. Redoing characters after each issue gets old 14 issues later. You know?

I understand the points in those posts and tbh? All vet players have been there.How many times do we reslot and io or completely get fed up before the cancel button looks good?

I did not mean to be negative .Just making an observation.

Link it,Obs??

Does any of it really mean anything?

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With your OP, it looks like pvp is now in its most pathetic state since launch. The fact that some folks like your idea speaks volumes about the state of pvp. I think your idea is stupid and wildly egotistical, but I wish you luck. Hopefully, you have fun!

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You said stupid and egotistic in the same sentence.. was this pun intended?

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Thank goodness you quit typing like a 4 year old,Homie. Thank you!!

Yes, my deliscious boy!!

I was often doublestacked . With the buffs to the rest of the things I am not missing my double stackage damage on test. I am mightily surprised.

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Um, sure about that? User named Ditzy_Blonde still exists under that name. Albeit they haven't posted since the 4th, and 'Southern_Comfort' only started seriously posting on the 6th, but at least as far as the board software is concerned they're not the same person. That said, southern does sound like ditzy in terms of mannerisms, etc, and the timing works out. Second account i guess?

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Ditzy sufferred horrible injuries in a rock climbing accident in the Davis Mountains on June 5th of this year. Her repelling partner failed to secure a pin and she plummetted 800 feet into a dry ravine.

So far I have played 5 different combinations dominators on test. I focused on high levels with the exception of starting a lowie earth//elec for kicks.The 1-10 feels the same to me. There are also not many people to team with on test server but thats neither here nor there.

The late game perma doms I have played feel almost overpowered. Yes, even a fire//psi. I have not been able to pad a map beyond 4 people. But set for 4 on ruthless the fire//psi does extremely well. As a player I never relied on just "psw" so I am used to playing that type of dom fast and furious. Others may have a different experience. I am really diggin mind probe and subdue for a 2 shot on a +2 lt and a 4 shot on a +2 boss.Thge grav//ice is making mincemeat of wardens in RV. The plant//thorn, while not as fast as the fire//psi has no difficulties on the same map.This is why I type I feel it may be a bit much. However, people will play as they are want and this change is likely needed to boost'popularity". Dom play is different than the other archetypes and I suppose this is good for a tricycle. I would be a liar if I typed that I didnt expect a nerf down the road if whats on test right now goes live .



I know players cringe when pvp is mentioned but whats happenning to dominators right now is similar to what happenned with pvp. The devs gave out a tricycle with training wheels. Same deal here.

I plan to tool around on a lvl 30 mind//elec this evening. Slotted with so's.
Please pray for,Ditzy. She is comatose!!!

You be positive ,Mac!! I already cut off your cyborz..... don't make me put you in time out!!!

I'm in and no I am not a notorious "pvp'er". Kids are out of school for the summer so I can stay up late enough to participate.I have dabbled and some may know me.Test global is @ Southern.

I think this is a good idea with the numbers so low. Maybe get with the Et guy for the kickball on test idea? Then do a head count? Even 4 vs 4s a few times a week and a kickball would be fun and also a way to integrate newer players.

I have to be honest. I spend more time playing L4D and TF2 lately. But if there were actually people to pvp with I betcha alot of people would come to a designated"amalgamation" night.

If there are 30+ people maybe some magic can happen like it used to. Even with this gimped system.

Good luck with this idea!

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i think syn hav very good point he is smart poster and tries to figore out what is help pvp but spec is smart too but he try a little a lot hard to make pvp fun i think

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Will you learn to spell and use proper grammar or please refrain from posting.? [censored] I have a migraine from deciphering wth you are talking about. NVM.. I forgot about ignore feature.

Post away Homie!! Happy Hunting!!!

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Also, those of us with multiple permadoms can start trying other, potentially interesting things with their characters.

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Like what? Tear into regular missions? Farms? AE Non-Farm Mishes? Strikeforces? Been there, done that

[/ QUOTE ]I mean like soft-capping defences on dominators. I mean like building for damage buffs or massed hit points. I mean doing anything other than chasing recharge. I know you've even less of a life than me, but there are still some things out there that interest me.

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Talen? You are a Dear. I sincerely hope the above quote was sarcastic because if you don't think there are plenty of dom players that "been there" and made every build in the above quote you arent very imaginative. No offense. If you like I will be happy to post 3 builds for ONE dominator imported from mids. One is hp//dam.. one is def//rech.. one is def//hp. Thats for ONE dominator and I actively play 3 dominators. Seems to me the 'select few" giving the input are abit behind. However I like the changes as they play so far.As I said it feels a bit overboard to me. But I will not look a gift horse in the mouth.

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Have you tested the changes yet or you working on grabbing as many trial accounts as possible?

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I'm sure if you really think about it you'll figure out how I could test low level doms.

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Answer my question. Have you tested the changes?

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Just shush ,Clouded.You remind me of a smoker in L4D. Quit attacking players and test things rather than poking a player that managed to keep a level head through all the speculations. Put up or shutup. I don't see you on test when I do a search.

Anyway... took the grav//ice to RV. I am pleased. I had no endo issues with either of the 2 doms I have roamed around test with so far. However, I can see where the changes may be problematic in the mid 20's extending to the mid 30's for certain power sets.Unless the players are into builds and recognize the benefit of the performance shifter proc in stamina. A few have brought up that they dislike the idea of an AT being io dependent.After playing 2 different dominators on test I see that it appears that io dependence will prevail with the current proposed changes.

Please discuss without devolving into a flame war. I am interested in others experiences especially late game. To be honest my builds feel a bit on the 'God" side to me.

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About the only thing I'd like for gravity to change for dom and controllers is PROPEL: Change it to knock down, and try and smooth/speed up animation-cast time.

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You have it all wrong. Male characters get knocked"down" and female characters get 'knocked up". Get it?? ** snicker**

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think its bad now....you should have seen what it was like before they cut most of the prices to a 1/3 of what they were...

....oh and get off my lawn you dang kids!

I feel for new SGs....

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The above made me giggle.Good thing the Op wasnt around before rent reduction and cost reductions,huh? I'll have a strret party on your lawn and bring the corona!!!! Aiieeee!!!!* does Mexican hat dance on the lawn**

Ok,took my fire//psi on a test run. I was floored at the improvement.Keep in mind I only ran my snake farm so need to play her a bit more. However, I was likely the biggest loudmouth protesting these changes. All I can say after playing a bit is I am shocked in a positive way.

Will give more feedback about the upper levels later this evening. I want to run missions on the plant//thorn, grav//ice and fire//fire and also do the fire//psi against other enemy groups than snake bosses and eb's.

I will also be looking for arena matches to round out testing changes. My global is @Southern.

Yes.

You got PMS or something, HotFlash? No need to be rude or catty. Please do not presume to tell me what I think.

The point is the problem with the updater has been out since the last patch. Thats well over 24 hours and there still has not even been an official recognition that a problem does exist.Communication is key.Communication is also a common courtesy. I don't think the customer base expecting the bare minimum is too much to ask.

Thats what I think.

Good point ,Leech. However can you imagine the outcry if it was live? This needs to be corrected ASAP regardless that its on test server.

I'd go test but the Patcher ate my test game.

The thing is that we shouldn't have to do these workarounds. They should pull whatever caused this problem. Fix it. Then republish. They should also acknowledge that there is a problem and make some sort of statement about what they are doing to correct the issue. At the very least just say "We are aware and working on a fix. Please be patient. ETA for fix is(whenever)"
Just my 2 enfamy and that ain't worth much.

A poster said it a few pages back when he//she used the word" normalization".

I told you all this would happen and it has. I ,although apparantly a vast minority, do not want to play Homeginized Milk version of a dominator.

Sooner or later someone will make the comparison so I'll just get it over with. The added recharge in the notes is disturbingly similar to pvp 2.0. You all asked for it and now PVE is getting it too.

I am saddenned but not surprised.

This is a joke, right?

Congratulations on your wonderful achievement!! What degree is next on the agenda?