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Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous

Why do I need combat logs to prove math to you? You're gonna miss on average 1 out of every 20 attacks. The average attack chain is 5 attacks, that take an average of 10 seconds to cycle. Add in an extra second for movement and targeting and you're gonna come out with 20 attacks every 45 seconds, where at least ONE is going to miss. Then consider the average spawn of 3 minions and one LT, where each minion takes 4 hits to kill and the LT takes 10, that's about 44 seconds, meaning you're just about guaranteed to whiff at least once each spawn.

Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous

You miss, at best, 1 out of 20 times. It will NEVER be less than that. Ever. It works out to be around 1 miss every 45 seconds. I wouldn't say that's "once in a while". I'd say that's at least once or twice in every spawn. And that's provided you're at 95%, which isn't always easy to stay at.

I get it. You don't care. But there are many that do. Why don't you list all the things you dislike about the game so I can go thru it and point out all the things that don't matter to me and claim it's just your perception and that you're overreacting to something that's not a big deal?

Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous

Changing the tohit cap from 95% to 98% or even 100% requires nothing more than changing a single value in a formula. There is no reworking, reformulating or tearing down required. Of course it would require some balancing here and there, but that's expected after any change like this. And who exactly would be pissed off about missing less? Is there really such a huge "I love to miss" faction of this game that I don't know about?

Now if you're talking about my laundry list of issues, then maybe yeah, that would require a bit more tinkering, but still nothing requiring a major overhaul, and certainly nothing requiring new code.

If it were just one or two things then yes, it's easy to overlook. But it's not. Let's take a typical level 15 mission. Well even set it to -1. Let's try Council. Run into the first mob. Even with a 95% chance to hit I whiff on my first shot. Well it's only 1 out of 20, no big deal. Clearly I won't miss again for a long time. Second shot... whiff!!! damn they're even levels in my -1 mission and I only have a 92.5% chance to hit. So much for the streakbreaker. I then take few hits from a rifle... oops, now my defense is in negatives, so they're hitting me a lot more often, putting me further into negatives and try as I might I can't kill them fast enough cause they're now hitting me with nearly every shot. Then the LT comes and fires off a concussion grenade and I go flying backward. I get back up and try to attack but dammit, I'm now out of endurance, which is fine cause I don't live much longer anyway. This mission sucks. I'll drop it and take something else.

Lessee, my choices are CoT, CoT, or CoT, so OK, let's try CoT. I run in and an LT immediate debuffs my tohit down to 45%. So I back out of the PbAoE. Now the LT level boss mezzes me. So I get to sit there while the entire spawn pounds on me. I finally wake up, and bam! mezzed again. Lather rinse repeat till dead, which thankfully isn't very long. On my way back from the hospital I fill my tray with break frees. Unfortunately it's not enough to make it completely thru the mission (I need one for every spawn) so I wind up getting to know the floor nurse and inspiration vendor on a first name basis.

Clearly CoT aren't the way to go. Let's try Tsoo. I get one single shot off (which of course misses) and then I'm chain slept. Or siphon-speeded to 1/10 run speed and recharge. Or siphon-powered down to 1/4 normal damage. Or continually knocked on my *** and my tohit debuffed by the Sorc's Hurricane. This clearly won't do. I would go try Lost, but I know from past experience they too will perma-mez me to death. Gee, who the hell is left?

Now of course these are a tad bit exaggerated (but absolutely NOT fabricated), but I think you get the idea. It's not just a single issue, it's a lot of little single issues that keep adding up to become a big issue.

Why do you think people powerlevel to level 22? Cause running out of endurance isn't fun. Why do you think so many people set the difficulty to -1? Cause constantly whiffing isn't fun. Why does everyone clamor for mez and KB protection (go check out the prices of KB IOs if you're ever in doubt)? Because being perma-mezzed or continually knocked on your *** isn't fun. Add it all up and there's a whole lot of "not fun" going on.

Making matters worse is the binary nature of almost all of it. Get mez protection and you never ever have to worry about being mezzed. Oh, your set doesn't have it? Well too bad for you! Ditto with KB protection. Sick and tired of being end drained by Mu or slowed to a crawl by Artemis? Well I guess you should have picked a set with -end or -slow resistance. Why do some people get to completely ignore the BS while others are forced to suffer thru it? Doesn't seem right, does it?

So then the next question one should ask is "is all this 'un-fun' stuff absolutely necessary?" Clearly it's not, because it simply does not exist to this magnitude in other MMOs. Do we need a triple-redundant limiter on our abilities when other games have demonstrated that a single limiter works just as well?

And the final question to ask is "with all the current and upcoming MMO competition is it really wise to not revisit these and other issues that ultimately force players away from the game?" CoX is no longer the only superhero MMO in town. And there are 3 more coming. What seemed like a solid design decision 5-8 years ago very well not be all that sound anymore.

Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous

So I gotta ask, this farm mission you do, is it full of critters that toss out tons of debuffs, have high defense or resistances, or are otherwise "tricky"? Or do you pick the critters that are the easiest (read: fastest) for you to kill and least likely to frak you up with effects you can't readily mitigate?



Well this is pretty much what it's been reduced to for me. I never solo anymore. Hell, I don't even play much anymore. When a new issue drops I come back to check it out, play for a few days, maybe a week or so before I I'm over all the same BS, and then I'm gone. I then go solo in a different superhero MMO, space MMO, or fantasy MMO, none of which bend over backwards to aggravate and frustrate me.

And really, if you and the others think the game is so great why are you here in a thread started by a guy who's sick and tired of missing so much? Go have another glass of Castle-flavored Paragon Kool-Aid and find a "gee isn't this game swell" thread.

Oh, and when Going Rogue kills CoV, remember I told ya so.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

Normal MMOs are not designed to have that level of mindless simplicity, even if some people would prefer that they do.

It sounds like you would be more interested in a slightly less complex game.

Originally Posted by seebs

No, no, these are clearly needs. If we do not get pirates as a mastermind primary, thousands of people will die of starvation and warfare*. (Which is to say, yeah, "needed" is perhaps a bit enthusiastic. But really, how can we consider this game complete without the ability to compare a pirate commanding ninjas to a ninja commanding pirates?)
[*] Not that I'm saying the pirates set would change this, mind.

Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous

Knockout Blow on its own won't hold a boss-level Death Mage and does nothing to a Dark Servant whose PbAoE tohit debuff aura is always on. Now if I turned off bosses for soloing then this would be a somewhat workable approach (at least for CoT, but won't help with Carnies). But again, why should I have to go out of my way and make multiple trips to the Field Analyst because of what's essentially a poor design decision?

Again, easier to just avoid.

And it's not like this is a unique situation. I know people that won't do Malta missions cause they don't want to deal with Sappers. Or DE cause of of the stupid beacons and their high resistances to various damage types. Or council because they don't have KB protection and can't stand being knocked around like a ping-pong ball by their spammed AoE grenades. Or Tsoo cause they don't have mez protection and find being perma-mezzed to death "unfun". The list goes on and on. Not just one poor design choice, but dozens. It's one of the reasons this game will never be anything but mediocre.

Originally Posted by Ian_Summers

Yes, i've been reading, and i heard that they couldn't make it look "water-y", but it has been a long time ago.

I must say, the electric control was already done before you started working on it, just one chain effect added...

I would love to see some water control, or water blasts. I really thing that some of the rad blast's powers look alot like water (the one with the 4 bubble-y balls thrown, for example).
I think a water control/blast using the rad animation would be both realistic looking and fun to play.


It's just not a superhero world w/o water control!

Originally Posted by Xenophage

I know there is a logic to it but they haven't offered them for purchace in a content pack either and on some level I don't care. I pre-ordered on those and I do feel a little gyped, not so much on the helms but still.

any way otherthings I'd like to see as a vet reward:

Spider back pieces like th arachnos soldiers have

and how about a new Epic class for those that have been around a REAL LONG TIME, I mean give them something uber special maybe for like the 99th month (I would have gone 100 but its a new reward every 3 months)

Originally Posted by Captain Fabulous

Which is why I haven't played any appreciable amount in a long time. And sorry, unless you're playing a Rogue you gotta go at least +4/+5 before you start missing in WoW. And only in CoX can you get knocked around like a ping pong ball if you don't have KB protection. And get chain mezzed to death by minions. Or have a single LT-class critter debuff your tohit, defense, and/or resistances into the negatives. Or run out of endurance in the middle of a fight and be stuck with Brawl. Yes, what FUN! Which is why I hardly play anymore, and when I do it's only for brief periods of time.

And I play a decent amount of that other superhero game and have no complaints about the game mechanics. Funny that.

If none of this stuff bothers you, hey, that's great. But after 6 years my tolerance for it is pretty much gone.