Sentry4

Arena is strictly dueling.

RV is both dueling and warzone pvp.

Now, which would most people choose? RV of course. That's why i'm not going to wait in Pocket D for someone to show up. I know plenty of people who enjoy both, and they stay in RV to do both.

Even if i hate warzone, it doesn't mean every dueler does. I probably will still do warzone for pvp recipe purposes, but not for fun.

If i want to duel strictly duelers, i will go to Pocket D.

If i want to duel anybody that's up for it, i will stay in RV.

The arena is out of our way? How can u still not understand that?

I've talked about the arena twice in my posts because i knew someone would bring it up. It's the only defense you have. You refuse to listen to what i'm saying....

I'm not going to the arena because some jerks are controlling the zone. One of my favourite quotes is "Don't let ignorant people control your life". And that's exactly what i'm doing. I don't care if u threaten or kill us. I'm in the zone to duel, not gang up on helpless people. I like a challenge.

If i want to duel, why do i have to travel all the way over to Pocket D and back? I *can* duel in the zone, there's no rules against that.

if i have a choice to remain in the zone and duel, or travel to Pocket D and duel, what do u think i'm going to pick? It's simple, i choose to stay in the zone, it's much easier for me and the person i'm dueling.

I want to beat someone because i know more about the game, not because i have numbers/buffs/cheap build.

Why do u want to beat on 1 person when you have a hude advantage? Where's the fun? It's not like ur better then them, you had numbers. Do you PvP just so u can strike fear in people and so you can taunt them in broadcast?

Now i've thought about it, i lol at warzone pvp. There is no point, it's not even entertaining.

You don't consider dueling PvP? Even though it's Player vs Player. I, and a lot of other people, dont have fun ganging up on others. There's no real point. So, 5 of us, 1 of him. We kill him, well that was obvious, he didn't have a chance. What did i gain from it? Usually nothing. Oh look another random person, let's go gang up on them. Killed another one, congratulations....


The reason for Player vs Player is the challenge. What is more challenging then facing another human like yourself in a battle of the wits? It's more challenging then something like tanking 2 AVs, because the AVs are predictiable. I wouldn't be surprised if after enough research you would know what attacks they use, what order and even the exact timing. With humans, you could have all the time you need, but since everyong is different, overall you would have no idea. Ganging up on someone isn't a challenge. If you ejoy that, why not get a 8 man team and gang up on an AV? Your going to win both, but 1 didn't hurt someone.

Are you forgeting that even though it's a game, it includes real people? The visual effects are not real, but the conversations and actions are.

I'm asking you to be more human and not attack everyone you see, because you will get people angry.

Actually it's Player vs Player, not exactly Players vs Players. and Seriously? Attacking an orange name, and it not being a fair game is PvP to you? More of a slaughter, and not being a psycho, i have fun slaughting people.

By watching PvP i become better at PvP. When it's a warzone, i can't watch others fighting. I have to fend for myself to make sure i don't die. All real warzone PvP has taught me is to use web nade, call the target i webbed and press 1-3 buttons. No skill, no challenge, no fun.

I believe there is honor in pvp. Some people are respected PvPers, other arn't. Anybody who drones more then 2 times isn't respected in my eyes.

I don't need to test my skill, i need people to know my skill and i need to know other peoples skill. If i'm fighting someone and i win, i have more skill. Well, it gets more complicated with counter builds etc. But that's the basic view. If i have emp buffs and i win, it wasn't skill, it was that emp buffing you. I've learned nothing in that battle.

People are supposed to be civil. And this is probably one reason the devs don't repect the pvp community, and it's a reason i dont.

It all comes down to, your telling us to go to the arena to duel. But we don't want to go all the way to the arena to duel, we want to share the place. So, you attack us and form groups to stop dueling. Isn't it obvious who the villain of the piece is? Really, we're peaceful, on our own dueling, and you come and kill us.

In real life you would gain a lot. Land, resources, people. But in this game u have a "chance" for something, that is small non the less.

Now i feel like someone is going to bring it up again, so i'm going to explain it twice. Yes, we have a choice to the arena, where we are perfectly safe from you. But, again, it's out of our way. Your trying to make us work for something we don't have too.

It's somewhat brutish to attack someone for no reason aside from getting them mad.

I can understand that you guys don't want a challenge, you would rather beat on 1 person with tons of back up then fight in a fair duel. But just because you don't like duels doesn't mean u should stop duels completly.

2 people are fighting over there. You can interupt them, but i really don't see the point. Just because you can do something doesn't mean u should. Even if u get a somewhat small benefit, if it hurts other people i don't really see a point

If you get ur kicks from making other people mad, you should really work on that.

If there is a noob thats been bothering you, sure, interupt the duel. But i for one don't trash talk or gang up on people, so don't interupt mine.

PvP is more then just seeing an orange name and attacking them with 3 of your buddies. I don't see much fun in that, atleast i don't see the challenge.

If in PvP duels didn't exist, i would probably quit the game. I'm competitive with online games and like to see myself grow by surpassing people i have lost to in the past.

The arena is out of the way, if i'm going to challenge someone i think it's rude to ask them to meet me somewhere. The challenger usually goes to the person they want to challenge so it's not inconvenient. It's much more simple to just say, i'll come to you and fight you there. In test with i16 i saw u can open arena anywhere, and this is help a lot.

i said this in another reply in another thread and i almost feel like copy and pasting it, but i'd rather just re-explain it.

wow i don't even know where to start. umm pvp recipes. Let's pretend that laws don't exist and everytime i kick someone in real life, i don't get caught and i make 5$. Would i kick anybody? Of course not. I'm not a bully.

Watching duels is part of pvp. It's one of my favourite parts. I get to watch 2 pros that are better then me duke it out in a pure skill fight. And yes, skill. Skill in making the build, skill in what to hit what buttons and seeing their knowledge of themselves and their enemy. I learned everything i know from watching duels.

I don't hate when the zone changes into a war zone, it can be really fun. But when there is a team of 8 vills out there and i'm the only hero, i have the choice of killing the zone by leaving or asking someone for a duel. If someone interupts my duel, i leave. The zone is dead, nobody wants to switch to the losing side and then people slowly leave.

When the zone is just watching duels or doing duels themselves, i have invited an emp, but aside from not using caps i politely ask them to not buff us, or atleast not buff me incase i get challenged. I've never been in the situtation with emp that would buff me after i asked not too, but i imagine i would just switch and kill them. Of course unless they were dueling, i can wait then.

Personally i can kill people without inspirations or numbers, and i feel much better then it's a fair game and i win. It proves i have more skill/knowledge/experience. Unless of course i'm something like a thug/pain or an ele/therm.

Yea MMs can easily get perma taunt. It's the cheapest thing i've ever seen because it's about impossible to kill an MM by attacking them head on, unless ur dark and use soul drain or use a bunch of AoEs, but in PvP, single targets are better. I hate fighting MMs because my PvE toons would dominate them and lose to everything else and my pvp toons would be fine against everything else but lose or tie with the MM.

I know of 3 thug/pains MMs with taunt, because i can't kill the pets or even touch them, i just sit there until death since the MM can heal faster then i can damage. Or if i use Geas and Hasten together and use a DPS chain, they started kiting around.

Cheapest thing i've ever seen.

i'd shoot higher. my scrap hits around 30. Still gets KBed by those who enhanced theirs.

actually when a stalker TP foes someone, they are out of hide. I've had it where i missed, or hit, someone saw me, and then droned me.

The only "glitch" is that you can placate while they are phased and it works, atleast, it makes me go back into hide, so i can AS right away.

If i Tp foe, wait for the little .8 second of phase and then AS, it does next to no damage because i wasn't in hide. When i teleport foe someone, the "hide" under my healthbar disappears. This bug was the case a year ago, and man did me and my friends ever take advantage of that, Build up, Teleport foe and both just hit AS as they started to run. But they fixed that.

I can only tie Pain MMs on my scrapper. Every other kind either dies or kills me.

A Pain MM lacks damage. They are kind of like fighting a tank, but more damage, and more survivalibility. I would go the offensive route. Take /poision and as said from above, power boost.

Even with 2 people on you, it's hard to be perma surpressed. When i'm attacked i spam teleport and start clicking everywhere, and the .1 of a second that i'm not surpressed, i go away from all the action and i'm safe.

When you do this, you teleport in the same spot twice, since u clicked to teleport there, and then u click the same place before the animation was up. Not as good as it used to be, but still very useful.

I slot the fire shields with KB IOs and mez resist IOs. Works out nicely.

Well first of all, u said "Hero" when he was talking yet he was an MM. I'll assume that's a mistake.

This is an really old arguement. I let people who want badges free to pass, but in a situation where nobody else is there, i would kill him for sure. And if u didn't know, he cannot report you for killing him, lol. The Devs put badges in here to bring PvE people to a PvP zone. And to us PvPers, that's a free kill since they arn't in a pvp build.

Devices is far from useless. There are tricks and other things more obvious. Web grenade is awesome. Stops people from jumping or flying away. Caltrops protects from Assassin's Strike if your on them and also if u throw them at a MM's pets, they go crazy and start running in different directions instead of attacking you. Targeting drone increases your preception and acc. If you get Tactics from the leadership pool, targeting drone and slot a +precep IO in one of those 2, you will see stalkers. Noob ones far away and ones with max stealth only 10 feet away, but stil u can see them and shoot them before they see you. Aside from that, not much. Trip mine is "ok", there is currently a glitch where u set them up and they explode somewhere else on the map and kill villains.

Most people don't go to Bloody Bay. If you want PvP, Siren's call is the lowest level 'populated' pvp zone. It's 20+ and makes you level 30 inside. It's on the east wall of steel. If your new u want to look for a team, by simply typing /search it will show u all the unhidden Heroes in the zone. Ask to join the team of a grey name.

There are many badges u can get in bloody bay, but im going to guess he wanted to hunt and kill 200 shivans. You need to do that for some accolade. i believe it's High Pain Threshold which increases ur health by 10%.

Also Welcome to PvP. Lastly, if u get killed a lot, don't leave, try to improve and get revenge.

Fire is very good in Siren's call, because u get your main resist powers and your heal in there. But in RV, with DR, it goes back to average and isn't near as good. I had a ss/fire brute with 2100 health, 48% resistence to S/L, a heal that healed around 700 and i got the rech down to 13 seconds with hasten. He still died a lot, and it's becuase the lack of something like dull pain or high pain tolerance to give him +health.

I would go invul/ss. Well personally i would go ss/invul brute, build it defensivly and rely on fury for damage. Brutes can survive like tanks in pvp, except they get +180% damage with fury.

You don't want to TA/Sonic because after every sonic attack u have to redraw ur weapon and that gets very annoying.

I didn't do the tests themselves but some friends of mine did, they said defenders are basically always better then corruptors, that the extra damage at the end is nothing compared to the debuff defenders have or something along that.

Next to everything has mez so rad isn't much of an option.

I would go ice/sonic. You get heat loss, which is +recovery. Snow storm, which interupts aidself and i believe it gives permanent travel surpression. There's also some awesome slows in there but finally Benumb. Benumb is the killer. It makes them do less damage and their secondary effects are weaker, so Dom's holds are shorter, every toon heals less, and debuffs arn't as good. I'm sure there are others but i dont think i need to list them all.

I'd go with illusion. When i'm placated with the proc i hit tab till i get my target, now if there are 4-5 other targetable pets in range, it will be hard for me to target u to atack, espically if u use blind a lot.

And thank you, i forgot about the proc going into blind. i need to get that for my illusion troller.

snow storm interupts aidself. Very useful if ur end can take it.

Inferno. I think it's useless, although i've sene a blaster use it on an MM, kill half his pets, pop some blues to finish him.

Bitter ice blast, it sounds odd but i believe this reduces tohit. Which is awesome when u can stack it in ur chain.