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Integration offers a total regen bonus of 150%. Of that, 100% is enhanceable, 50% unenhanceable. Fast Healing is 75% regen while Health is 40%.

Course, mobility > large ammo stash according to Max Brooks' Zombie Survival Guide. (Of course, I can't say much since I don't do crap for working out; I can't even claim to be good at carrying ammo.)


On topic, I'm not much of a coffee person. I can drink it, but it's not anything I crave. I normally just drink orange juice or milk.

*chuckle*

I've had that happen to me a couple times on my WP Tank, too. I keep forgetting that RttC detoggles when mezzed. (I think in my particular case it was while fighting GW and not Romulous. I think Tanker status protection is just strong enough not to be blown out by his aoe stun at lvl50.)

I'd be surprised if it was that long. Rise to the Challenge's scaling regen has a 1s duration and 1s refresh. I'd bet it stacks for one, maybe two server ticks. IF it uses the same clock as attacks do, that'd be between 0.132 and 0.264 secs.

I don't know the specifics because I'm not sure of any real way to test it. (Regen produces no chat spam to analyze logs/demos.) I know it exists and that it's brief, but I can't get more specific than that, sadly.

I can almost guarantee that the 226.67 hp/sec is during the fraction of a second of RttC overlapping with itself.

65 hp/sec = (3212 * Regen) / 240
~4.8567 = Regen = ~485.67%

RttC offers 100% regen plus 25% per target, or 350% with 10 targets and 600% during the overlap (base). To make math easy, with 100% enhancement, those numbers are 700% and 1200%. That'd put your regen at 1185.67% (10 targs) or 1685.67% (double stack).

226.67 hp/sec = (3212 * Regen) / 240
16.9367 = Regen = 1693.67%

Outside the double stack, you should have around 158.68 hp/sec.


(Not trying to pick on you or anything, but 200+ hp/sec sounded wrong to me and I had to figure out where the discrepancy was.)

Shadow Maul's crit is all at the end of the animation.

There are two factors that effect how many hp/sec your regain. +Regen increases the frequency you get regen ticks. +MaxHP increases the size of each regen tick (5% of your max). If you want it in terms of a formula:

hp/sec = (MaxHP * Regen) / 240

So, for your build with 859% regen and only 86.2 hp/sec:

86.2 = (MaxHP * 8.56) / 240
20,688 = MaxHP * 8.56
~2416.8 = MaxHP

That's ~+28.9% MaxHP over base, not nearly enough. You could considerably reduce your +regen bonuses and focus more on +MaxHP and get much stronger results. For example, if you had 3,000 MaxHP, you'd regen the same 86.2 hp/sec as you do now with only 689.6% regen.

This is a pretty big leap of logic.

First, you're taking a statement about my experience with WP in a very specific circumstance as evidence of WP's failings elsewhere. Second, you're imposing artificial limitations on what powers (and presumably buffs/insps) are used. The vibe I get is that the Tanker shouldn't have any issues with the ITF running no pool powers, just SOs, and no buffs.

That's insane. The only Tanker that stands a chance against those odds is a Stone Armor Tank running Granite and Rooted - but even they will succumb if the battle lasts long enough.

As for leveling up via normal content (including TFs, before Tough/Weave), I honestly don't remember it being too much different than other Tankers I played. Was I unstoppable? No. Did I use inspirations and/or teammates to survive? Yes. So far, that's been the case on every Tanker I've leveled. The big difference with WP is that with average mitigation from several sources, it gets a lot stronger very easily.

I can see why you said this, but you're misreading it. The Brute wouldn't be at 75% because of the resistance cap, rather, that is all they can achieve with WP + Tough + SoW. They would need either inspirations or outside buffs to push to 90% res. This means the Brute is taking 2.5 times as much damage. I'd say that's a very important difference.


If you're curious, a Tanker with as much +hp focus as you would have 3125 hp. That 625 hp is amplified by your mitigation, and also serves to increase how much hp/sec you regenerate (125 hp/sec vs 156.25 hp/sec).

I said the only thing that I consider dangerous is fighting Romans and Nicti at the same time. Either enemy in isolation are impotent to my Tank, but when combined they expose my lower exotic res to a large amount of ne damage. That is a dangerous situation, but not insurmountable.

Willpower has ~5.15% s/l def, ~20.28% f/c/e/ne def, and ~15.6% to psi. I wouldn't consider that to be a considerable helping of defense.

Willpower does have regen resistance in Fast Healing. (It's not a lot, but it does have it.)

As I tried to illustrate previously with the Rularuu and DE, every set is susceptible to something mobs have - every set is weak to something (psi, def debuffs, -recharge, -tohit, +tohit, knockback, etc). Just because one of these vulnerabilities exists doesn't make the set weak. Willpower is, in my eyes, one of the strongest sets out there to powergame.

First, remember that mitigation from defense and resistance don't scale linearly in this game. Every percent means more than the last. For example, going from 0% to 50% res cuts incoming damage in half. It only takes an extra 25% (50% -> 75%) to cut it in half again. The same principle is true for defense, as well. WP has a nice base of both s/l res and exotic defense, so adding more of either makes a big difference.

Second, the set has a large regen component, which is exceptionally rare in the magnitude it WP offers. With the mitigation base it already has, the regen WP offers is amplified. For example, if you regen 50 hp/sec and take half damage, it would take 100 dps to overcome your regen - effectively doubling it. (If you have 75% res, it would quadruple it to requiring 200 dps.)

So buffs from pretty much anything can tip WP (even just base WP) into the realm of "extremely strong." Just FF/Ice shields or Fort, for example, would leave WP with 28.55% s/l def, 43.68% exotic def, and 39% psi def. If the WP took Weave, that would be 36.35% s/l def, 51.48% exotic def, 46.8% psi def. How about Tough + res shields (Sonic/Thermal)? Capped s/l res. (You can substitute Tough for SoW, too.) These aren't hard combinations to come by - and no IOs invested.


So, from a Tanker's perspective, I don't see a problem with the set, at all - def debuffs included.


[edit: Apologies to the OP for the hijack.]

The funny thing is Gauntlet being weak at low levels is an annoyance to some players - they want it working better, sooner. It's not an issue that means much to me, I don't group a lot at low levels anyways. What I find more annoying is that Tanker survivability doesn't really start to feel impressive until SOs at 22... but that's a whole different can of worms!

While I agree Tankers could use a bit of work on end efficiency, I would say that's a general Tanker issue rather than one with Gauntlet. In other words, although Gauntlet could be used as a mechanism for alleviate end issues, it's not a problem that Gauntlet doesn't.

Sadly, I never got to see this on Test. I can think of a few tests I would've loved to conduct with a visual indicator of who Gauntlet was hitting. Rats!

This is a mixed bag, even on the same content. As an example, when I was still leveling up my WP/Fire Tanker, my first ITF run (SKed up)was pretty miserable. I didn't have Tough and I didn't have a large source of +maxhp (maybe one accolade and whatever I was getting from CI). Whenever I caught myself without SoW up, I was eaten alive. Even with SoW up I was often on a downward spiral.

After getting Tough and more set bonuses, it became a lot easier. A big bonus that Tankers get over Brutes is the fact they can hit the 90% res cap with Tough + SoW, where a Brute would still be at ~75%. Even with SoW down, anything more than two small oranges will bring me to the cap again. On top of that, I sit at ~3160 max hp. What I generally do is just fight until I get low on hp (~25% hp) then pop SoW and regen back to full. It's almost always recharged before I need it again, if not, I'll use oranges instead. The only thing that is remotely dangerous to my Tank on the ITF is rushing the second mission and getting stuck fighting Nictus and Romans at the same time.

Defense debuffs and mixed damage types can be rough on WP. Once its defense crashes, it doesn't have the res to allow regen to keep it up all by itself. I'm not saying that WP will instantly faceplant, but if interventions aren't made (control, inspirations, team help, etc) you will die. Mixed damage types without def debuffs (or large tohit buffs)? Back to being easy to manage.

Just because a set doesn't work well in one "extreme circumstance" doesn't mean anything. Look at the two sets with exceptional def resistance (SR, Shield) that are unlikely to ever drop much below 45% def. Okay, so the ITF isn't a problem. Now let's try Rularuu, DE, or large groups of Nemesis. All that def resistance they have does jack against those groups' tohit buffs. (To be fair, Shield would handle it better than SR if they took Tough/OwtS - they can hit 90% s/l res and the hp cap when it's up.)

Despite being more susceptible to def debuffs than some of their peers, I'd say WP really doesn't have much to complain about. (Builds like mine with a heavy emphasis on def are pretty ridiculous.)

Better example: Shield / Grant Defense

I admit, it's a neat toy.
...I hate it.

Having played a Tanker and a Mastermind (one with status protection, no less), Tankers have nothing to fear from Masterminds. They have nothing inherently to hold aggro, Provoke sucks, they're vulnerable to AoEs (pets take splash damage and BG damage), most don't have mez protection, and their pets can be completely hosed by things like burn patches, caltrops, etc.

They can take the alpha and won't fold like tissue paper, sure; but I don't consider them to be tanks.

(Bullets numbered for ease of reference.)

1) When I say this, keep in mind that I have a pet peeve with inherents that don't help when solo. Yes, it does nothing solo, yes it's annoying. However, I look at it this way - they could have given us the same mitigation numbers as Brutes/Scrappers but with a meter that builds up increasing its effectiveness while fighting. Sounds great, huh? Well, except you need to be fighting to build it up, so you don't always have your defenses. (Ex: Starting an AV fight cold turkey would make you weak at the beginning, and as tough as you are now in the middle.) I'm just giving you this example as something that "helps solo" but is weaker than you have now.

2) I just thought of something - Gauntlet's radius isn't standard, it varies - usually higher damage attacks have a larger radius. So while a power like Total Focus is slow, it has a wider radius (17ft) than something like Jab (3ft - good luck hitting more than 2 mobs with it). Then there are enigmas like ET that deals more damage than TF, but only has an 11ft radius, while MG deals less but still retains a 17ft radius. Worst of all, all of these are disconnected from animation time - so some slow attacks (TF) will be more useful for Gauntlet than others. (I wonder if Castle has a formula for radius, or if it's just eyeballed...) Faster chains may be better, but not necessarily. Seems like it would depend on circumstance.

4) The theme of Tankers isn't just to survive, but to take hits as well. What good is extra survivability if you're not using it?

5) Keep in mind duration scales with level, so Gauntlet at low levels is incredibly weak. It doesn't function at all until lvl5. At lvl5, it still only lasts 4.5s base (before the purple patch, etc). Now, auras / Taunt can get you into trouble, but Gauntlet? Not so much.

6) Depends on your point of view. Hitting someone hard enough (no tangent here, please) to cause them to drop what they're doing and pay attention to me feels pretty good to me.

7) My main counter point - if your group is killing spawns fast, then you have to move faster. In other words, if it takes the spawn 15s to die, you may want to move on halfway into the battle. Mobs are still taunted to you while you're moving ahead and you get extra time to gather aggro from the next spawn / clump them together. This is what I usually do, and adjust when I move to the next group based on how well / fast the group is doing. Also, if spawns are dying that fast, then your inherent likely isn't the only thing that is "wasted." Imagine needing 2 bombs to destroy a building, but dropping 5-10 on it instead. Completely unnecessary, but that's what happens in some group makeups in CoX.

9) Kind of. Pool powers have the single target taunt, but lacks the AoE portion of Gauntlet. (Pools don't taunt for Brutes at all.) For Veteran Rewards, afaik they don't respond to any inherent power - with a possible exception of Vigilance.


Keep in mind I'm not saying Gauntlet is perfect by any means. It has problems (mostly that the unique, AoE portion is easily swamped by other Tanker abilities), but I can see flaws in some of the statements you made above.

The information we've been given by Castle is that durations don't stack (the longer one is used for threat modification by damage/debuffs/AI preferences/etc), but MAG does. In other words, let's say there is a 40s taunt on a target and I hit them with an attack. My damage/etc will be modified by the 40s taunt, but now instead of just MAG4 taunt being on the target, there would now be MAG8. The difference between MAG4 and MAG8 usually doesn't matter - it determines whether a mob is effected by the taunt or not. Since most mobs don't have any form of taunt protection, MAG4 is fine for 99% of the situations out there.

That being said, I think there is one perk for Gauntlet, when the taunt is applied to the target, it should generate additional threat. (Taunts being applied add phantom threat, even in the absence of damage.) I've never tested that, and I'm not even sure how to test that, though.

Having said that, Gauntlet is a pittance compared to Taunt (power), auras, and AoEs (higher target cap, damage/debuffs/etc for more threat) all trump it. If nothing else, I wish I knew which targets it hit. Having same graphical effect (no sound) as Taunt, for example, would be a nice QoL feature.

I'm not 100% sure why this is such a problem, but as I understand it, there are different 'combat modes,' and having a weapon out or retracted are completely different. In order to remove the redraw, they'd have to create a plethora of different states, transitions from state to state, etc.

It's why Brawl is one of (if not the) most complicated attack in the game. (Works for every power, no redraw, different animations for some sets - like the shield bash for Shield characters).

Trust me, I'd love for the weapon draw to be removed, but I'm sure it's not a trivial amount of work to do, or they would have done it already.

This used to be true - now sets that have had their activations sped up (kat, bs, claws, mace, axe, maybe some of the ranged powers, but I'm not sure) or started that way (db) are now slowed down by constant redraws. Previously, if an attack took 1.5s to cast and had a 0.5s draw, the attack would always take 2s to cast (with a forced idle period at the end if you already had your weapon out). Now it would take 1.5s when the weapon is out, and 2s when you have to redraw.

Still, no worse off than you were before the changes.

I asked, and was told that that it was a single power that cycled from ammo to ammo in order. While it would be nice to have a power for each ammo type, I suspect it would cause problems. For example, if picking ammo swap (or whatever it's named) grants you 3 extra powers, what happens when you respec? If it's like Khelds, you'd keep the 3 extra powers, allowing you to respec out of one of the ammo changing powers and keep the other three.

I suspect there are more reasons that just that, but I can see why they wouldn't do it that way. (I'd like a power each ammo type, mind you.)

Out of curiosity, are you trying to max out your regen for conceptual reasons, or performance reasons? I ask because I'm almost (99%) positive you could attain higher performance with much less regen. (Only 1% uncertain since I haven't seen the build for myself.)

If it's for conceptual reasons, that's a completely different story.

Fearsome Stare is a fear, but Petrifying Gaze is a hold. (Sorry about the nitpick.)

As has been mentioned, fear in PvE blueside is pretty darn rare. A few more places you could run into fear is fighting Longbow (Gaussian's arc), Dr. Aeon (he has a dark clone with Fearsome Stare), and Ghost Widow. If you plan on turning your Scrapper into a Vigilante/Villain with GR, you'd also have to face the fears that are more plentiful - but still not overly common - villain side. (There are also fears in PvP, if that's important to you.)

Having said that, I don't think I'd let that one hole dominate your choice. If you have more fun playing Regen instead of WP, play Regen.

Well, Castle was originally going to give WP an immob hole, but players cried about that one until he added it. No idea about Shield, though.

I don't think you'll be able to transfer inf, "just" tangible items (recipes/enhancers/etc).

Hacker.

This is a perception issue. Jacob's Ladder has a wider cone than Shadow Maul (7ft 50 deg vs 7ft 45 deg).

Yep, Jacob's Ladder has a slower rech than Havoc Punch, slower animation (1.67s vs 1.5s). However, JL still has a higher DPA (and end cost) than HP.

If you're going for a build with enough recharge / end management (the latter which is practically a given as Elec Armor), then JL is the better choice. (I believe one of the Elec Melee chains was CI - CB - JL - CB, but I haven't checked out the math behind it, myself.)

2,000,000,000 inf cap.

(It may be possible, but it would require about 68 2b inf transactions, and just about as many free WW/BM slots to store it.)

To be specific, Invincibility offers 1% def per target plus a 5% bonus for the first target (unslotted). So you'd get 0% for 0 mobs, 6% for 1, 7% for 2, 8% for 3, 9% for 4, etc. (Multiply those by 1.56 to emulate ED soft capped slotting.)

[edit: Oh, and the def numbers twitching is normal]

A Rogue or Vigilante is an intermediate step between being a Hero or Villain. So while a Rogue cannot access WW, a Rogue who becomes a full fledged Hero can. Posi also said that a character can go from Hero to Vigilante to Villain, use the BM, then back to Hero and use WW and vice versa). Of course, this will take effort (how much isn't stated) and time.

Iirc, the intermediate roles cannot trade with the opposing faction, which would eliminate the work/time requirement mentioned above. (Posi mentioned trading insps, but I'm not sure if that only applies to intermediates, or if pure Heroes and Villains can trade with one another during coops.)