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Do you have people on ignore? There have been numerous people telling you the "facts" you quoted are wrong.

Don't bother trying. He may say he can change his mind, but I've never seen it. No matter how many people will tell him otherwise, he's not the kind to listen.

Wait... did the fabric of reality just split, or did you really just say two completely incompatible concepts together?

If you don't think the game is casual gamer friendly, then you're doing it all wrong. There have been people who have documented on the forums how easy it is to make influence. Starting with just 0 and having over 1 billion in one week of extremely limited game play time. There's also a ridiculous amount of easy to level content made available. Especially on teams.

There's no excuse for a casual player not to see fast results. This is even more true for those that use the forums. If you're smart enough to come here and learn from the guides and experience of other players, you can do pretty much anything.

Your suggestion offers no quality to the game. Sorry.

Fix'd that for you.

You can't possibly say that, and then talk about how great Smallville is.

Follow forumites, it should be widely assumed at this point that Dur has something wrong with his world perception. He either has a strong urge to argue for the sake of arguing, or a deeply rooted super ego hell bent on proving anything he says as infallible and that all his opinions are indeed fact. It's highly imparative that when talking to him, that you use the kiddy gloves and try not to say anything that threatens his world view.

While this quote is taken out of context, it holds true to his everday interpersonal actions with fellow human beings. It doesn't matter how many people will tell him the sky is blue, if he's formed the opinion that it's more of a minty-green, minty-green it must be!

Furthermore, try not to explain to him how his "opinion" is solely based off what other people have told him. It's important for him to believe he's made these criticisms on his own, from his own self-perceived superior intellect. Telling him that the originator of his comments has misrepresented events in the story, will only convince him further that he is right about things he's never experienced. If you fail to understand the logic in that, it only proves you are below his intellect.

I don't mean to insinuate that you're plagiarizing. I mean, someone made an opinion, and the best you can do right now is echo it. You're prancing around like you've figured it all out. It only makes you look stupid. Instead, see the movie before you start postulating its flaws.

Again, see the movie. CLU doesn't have clairvoyance, so he won't know when it opens. Also, there are outlying circumstances making a move difficult. Also, he needs an item before going out.

Considering we don't know anything about how it works to be able to leave the grid in the first place, you can't make the assumption that this would work.


Nothing wrong with Tess conveniently turning out to be a Luthor? Maybe not if you're trying to manufacture drama and soap-like scenarios, but from the stand point of good-writing, it smacks of desperation. They couldn't even bother forshadowing it. It was just, "oh hey, I'm a Luthor now!"

Good, you'll look less ignorant that way.

Without context of experienced-knowledge, the best you can say is "I hear people say this." Beyond that, is purely speculation based on hearsay. It's a good thing you don't run a court of law, I'd hate to see what you allow as permissable evidence.

I'm not sure what's immature about making a fan avatar. Not by comparison to one that tells others simply to "GTFO." Especially one that doesn't show the lower half of the poorly drawn figure, but takes the time to draw in the bulge of the crotch.

Your complete hand-waving disregard for my very concise complaints of Smallville make me laugh. I know you just want to fan wank your arguments for the plot holes, but fan wanking is all it is. I'm not the only person to point out the plot holes I've pointed to, but of course, you won't bother listening to anyone that says opposite of what you want to believe. Really, if Tess suddenly being revealed as a Luthor is good writing for you, then I'm not surprised you love the show. Still, plenty of people will always point out your inability to think critically and with logical reasoning.

This line. This one line. It sows why you need to see the movie before you run your uninformed mouth off. You're parading around, waving someone else's words as if they're your own, saying you've already figured out all the flaws of the movie. In truth, you haven't even got a clue of the plot. The reason the gateway isn't open pre-movie is explained in the movie, and it's not the reason you want to say it is.

You really need to follow the advice of your clearly mature avatar, and gtfo of your house and go see the movie if you want to talk about it without looking like an idiot.

Aren't you usually defending my criticisms of Smallville (most of which are for huge plot holes)? Yet you're hung up on a movie you didn't even see? Your dependence on someone else's thoughts aren't the best way to show yourself as someone capable of forming their own opinion. See the movie, then talk.

As for the highlighted part of your post: That's the most words I've ever seen put together without actually saying anything coherent. What were you trying to say there?

My reponse to the movie: It was great. Some people may be trying to ask too many questions. Like, why would Villain A want Item B. But if you're watching a movie in which someone somehow gets zapped into the cybernetic world without asking about the implications of such a predicament, then you shouldn't ask too much about other items in the movie.

Anyone saying the FX didn't follow the first movie well enough, needs to understand that there were extreme limitations in the production of the last movie. After filming the first movie, they blacked out a lot of things they couldn't make work with special effects. Hence, when you watch it, much of the movie looks dark. The running gag behind the scenes was, "when in doubt, black it out." I'm very pleased with the FX in Legacy. I think it updated the set design and character designs in ways that completely complimented the original.

Are we talking about War for Cybertron? It dovetails into the G1 series (not sure if they've canonized it), but doesn't exactly jive with Prime. In Prime, this appears to be the first time they've heard of Dark Energon.

Same here. Inherent Fitness opened up a fair amount of room. Now my DA/Ice has Earth Mastery on top of all it's other insane powers. I turned her into a true Tank-Mage. Slow fields, ice patches and gloom & doom auras. I never die, and they can't escape. I'm looking forward to all the TF runs when her turn comes up for Alpha slotting.

I thought you didn't take the mez toggles... or am I remembering wrong?

Find a definition that won't get people up in arms about what is the "tankiest," and you just might get answers that don't contradict each other.

Otherwise, tell us what you have in mind as being tanky, and we can give you an answer that actually means something to you. What do you want to do exactly? Do you want to stand there and taunt? Do you want to be more productive than that? Do you want higher damage output? Do you have means for IOing out your tank?

Until we know what you're really looking for, the odds of you coming away from your tanker experience with a positive view are kind of low. People will only tell you what *they* think is tanky. It's been my experience that not all of them agree.

Wait, Patrick Stewart's been shaving his head this whole time?

Wait. You liken -Recov on top of end drain being like a stun aura, and that it would be over-powered for a melee class, but DA comes with a stun aura. DA's not over-powered. Well, not being a numbers expert either, I could be wrong about adding in -recov. But making the end drain on par with ELA's aura would go a long way for mitigation.

Also, I am very, very familiar with Ice Armor. That's why I said the +HP would be too similar to Ice - +HP and Def and End Drain. It's been done. Twice now that Shields are around (minus the end drain of course). Let's go in a different direction. Yes, Ice does offer other forms of mitigation in CE and with the def bonus of Eng Abs, but you can already get extra defense from Energy Cloak. (I am aware that the values aren't the same, but after you take Brute modifiers into account, they aren't far off) EA trades off some of the layered mitigation, of course, by offering more typed defense than Ice.

Wait... Of the powers you talked about adding changes to, one is a mez protection. I'm trying to figure out if you consider it near-useless or underwhelming. Either way, I'll disagree. Also, I don't want my mez protection to be a taunt aura as well. It's different, I'll grant you that, but I don't think that's gonna sail.

So you want a +HP, great defense, +Rech, +DMG, -To Hit, and end drain. Man, not even Ice armor gets all that.

Okay, let's try some compromise. I think +HP and great defense has been done often enough. But, maybe we go the FA route and add damage boost to make up for some of the lack luster (for some, anyways) survival. CP gets changed into a taunt aura that does -dmg, -recovery to the foe, and does +dmg and endurance discount for up to 10 foes. The -Recovery won't be too much, because now only ED does significant drain. If the fight goes too long, then your mitigation comes from foes being drained from the long fight. This of course, makes it harder for them to finish you off before you finish them.

And maybe recharge debuff res and end drain res in Dampening Field if the other changes don't make it "too good" already.

Still front load ED's heal and reduce the activation time.

Thoughts?

Consider me schooled. I thought HF had the same recharge.

Well, smashing things does have it's appeal.

Well, my proposed changes would put the end drain on par with ELA. As for SR doing better defense; well, sure, if defense is all you want. I like a heal that doesn't require dipping into a pool. I like not starving for endurance like SR leaves many early level players. End recovery has not been depreciated by anything in the game. Not as far as SOs are concerned. Inherent Stamina doesn't change anything, it just unlocks another pool for you. People were taking it with EA already.

I don't think they're going to do any fixes to the set or any kind of proliferation as separate things. If they do anything, they'll do them at the same time. It's pointless to just fix it for Brutes and Stalkers when they'd have to turn around and redo everything to make it viable or tankers too. Hence my suggestion for proliferation. It's pretty obvious they'll have to make changes to the set in order for that to happen.

Now, outside of saying it's sub-par to other sets in your opinion and just belly-aching for a fix, make some suggestions. I'm willing to hear them, I've already made compromises with OWB's comments. Just throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "fix it before you let other ATs have fun with it" does nothing constructive for the purpose of this thread. It's not like I only asked for proliferation without making improvements to the set.

I had someone offer up inf for a build on the forums and then never delivered, too. I wonder if its the same person...

I'm glad you like stealth IOs. There's nothing wrong with them. They are not, however, a replacement for Energy Cloak or Cloak of Darkness. Powers that offer defense that stays on wether stealth is broken or not. Also, you keep your stealth up to a certain distance if memory serves me correct. Someone point me in the right direction if I'm wrong.

And that "bit" of defense is more than a bit. Considering people will spend large sums of inf to get an IO that offers less defense, Energy Cloak is offering a nice amount. For the set, EC is a must have for reaching great defense levels.

And it's not that I can't argue against the rest of your post, but OWB made better arguments (that I think you're trying to say as well) so I'm going to address those.

Okay, I'm glad I made my other suggestion before you made this point. I will openly admit that there are times I've waited to long to hit the heal, and it's cost me. So I would agree drastically reducing the activation time would be needed. Also, as I suggested, front loading the heal. In my experience, I've never had problems getting a group of 10 around me, but I can believe for others that's not always the case. Front loading the heal would do a lot of good for the set. I think the end result should still total around 50%, but going much further beyond that would be over powering.

Okay, admittedly, end drain requires they be at ZERO to have any effect. Changing this feature would probably equate to moving mountains. I draw my experience from ELA that has it's aura which drains end, and from both of my ELA toons, if you drain them enough, the aura does a decent job of keeping them at zero part of the time. That does actually help in mitigation. BUT, I'll concede that hinges a lot on luck sometimes. So, how about putting -rec on the aura as well. It would put it above the effectiveness of ELA's aura, since it should still offer the endurance discount.

Okay, I've made some suggestions for better mitigation from existing powers and suggested changes. A faster working, front-loaded heal and a -rec component to the aura to assure foes stay at zero. With the DDR already in the set, this should help with layering mitigation. If we added in +HP like you suggested, I think we start to copy Ice Armor too much. The only other mitigation Ice has that EA doesn't is Hibernate, but EA has a very good tier 9 for "oh-*******" moments.

Like you said, with no blue bar to worry about, you become a wreaking ball. This is another form of mitigation in itself. The devs are all about give and take. If we start adding in debuff resistance of every kind and ask for +DMG and +Rech then we not only start stepping on the toes of other sets, but we'll have to take something away. Sustained endurance equates to sustained fury, which is sustained DPS. We just need to add a little more to make the fluctuation of the green bar more manageable.

EA as it stands is a hybrid of many armors. It has DA's stealth, ELA's end management, Ice's Def and DDR, and FA's heal (just modified). Tweaking the end management to include a -recovery and making tweaks to the heal so that it works fast and stronger should already do a lot towards survival. I think if you ask for more beyond that, you're just asking for too much. Granted, if the devs want to give it, I won't say no to it. But those other things aren't necessary.

As an FYI, +HP will not change the amount you get in your heals. Heals are calculated off of your base HP alone. It does, however, help the HPS of regen. Again, I don't think it's needed for the set to improve.

Should I hold my breath?

So, from all you've said, it's enjoyable despite it's appearance of having flaws. Well, those flaws can't be so bad.

Wait, wait, wait. You want to use IOs as a reason of saying a set is broken? Therefore, Lightning Reflexes in ELA is now a non-feature. The regen from Stone's Rooted is meaningless. The Quick Recovery powers are laughable. Basically, every sets been negated by IOs if we follow this rational. It's an extremely flawed argument, and doesn't hold up.

Lets not forget the fact that the defense from this stealth doesn't get a mention. Or that you don't have to waste inf on IOs or do tips to get this feature. New players/casual players get it out of the box, and that's a real feature for them. Also, it frees your slots from taking an IO you don't have to get.

Inherent Stamina isn't an end all to end management powers either. I seriously doubt that WP and Regen users have dropped QR from their characters. Stamina also doesn't drain end from foes. Stamina alone isn't always enough to keep going and going.

Playerbase. Such a funny thing. People use it as an argument all the time, like they've data mined the playerbase and know what everyone thinks. A vocal, uninformed minority complaining about a powerset others can make work completely fine, is not the playerbase. If someone can make it work on SOs, then anyone can make it work with IOs (since you rely on IOs for you arguments). I'd rather go EA than SR, anytime.

Okay, how about my suggestion AND front loading the the heal to be 25% for the first foe in range, and 3.5% for each of the other 9 foes (after 3 slotting heal)? This gives 56% total and allows for situations like boss fights and AV fights to be more manageable.