PoisonHeart
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Quote:correction, everyone except the troll dronersOriginally Posted by fur_nes
correction everyone you know...not everyone. -
Quote:did they not change hybrid holds today in pvp? if they truely didnt care about pvp they would have ignored everyones complaints about it and leave it as it is, so like i said before, even though the pvp community is small and even though the devs. dont put that much interest into pvp, doesnt mean that asking for this will automaticly be a flat out no, there is a chance if people stop saying "oh just give up, they wount do it" and ask for this minor change.Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
fixing one of your statements:
"they are always trying to improve the game to make it more enjoyable to the **PvE** players"
All other points aside, whats so hard to understand that devs dont really give a **** about PvP? Why should they? Are you going to stop playing the game if the TP/droning tactic isnt "fixed"?
I dont know any devs personally, but it seems obvious enough.
If something like 1% (?) of the playerbase PvPs, why would the devs be motivated to work on an issue that "annoys" PvPers.
Just saying.
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i personally didnt see a problem with the control hybrid, it was the only way a melee could actually take down a ranged toon in pvp without them running and jumping all over the place, and i especially dont like the "fix" they made to it since now it does absolutly nothing in pvp zones.
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Quote:i understand the devs dont care that much about pvp, but they have made small changes and tweaks to it despite the small pvp community. this is different from any person saying "hay fix pvp and make it balanced" becaue we all know its messed up and we all know the devs. wount be doing that, but what im ask is for a smaller change to pvp system, a minor change that will only make it better and less aggravating to everyone.Originally Posted by MrHassenpheffer
"Fixing" droners...
By "Fixing" you mean "Nerfing"
The given attitude the devs have towards pvp and pvpers in general you would probably see changes made somewhere in between base updates and never.
What might be more satisfying, however, Is just to give a typical pvp response to the situation at ever given turn.
That will happen regardless.
At every costume contest, grandiose public display of back patting, Cross media "advertisement" campaign, Gaming site, Etc... you and the collective of your alt accounts could just as easily flame the hell out of them with that ever so sharp pvp tongue and keen wit.
You could say something elegant like, "Go foul up a pvp mechanic you base neglecting hybrid destroying over fed backwards walking donut eating hack" <--- I'm happy now?
That would be more satisfying than spending months if not years of beating your head against a "brick wall" <also see: unified front> and just about as effective as asking nicely.
...just sayin'
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Quote:Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
The term has been around for awhile...griefing.
Why?
- emotional immaturity and/or instability
- a desire to push the limits and attempt to disrupt
- cociopathic behavior
- boredom
- amusement derived from other people's reactions
Good luck in the quest to fix droning. Im not a fan of it either but if you have people here giving you easy fixes, then it seems that you could really spend the time contacting devs about a host of other serious PvP related issues.
thats human nature, people will get upset over anything that they do not like, and in this case if a vase majority of people dont like something then it is the devs. job to fix it. the devs. have done things like this many times in the past, just because this is a really old issue doesnt mean it should never be changed. they are always trying to improve the game to make it more enjoyable to the players, like buffing stalkers, technicly there was no problem, but a high amount of people wanted it changed, it took them years to finally do this but they did it.
im not asking they fix pvp pre.i13, but just make this change so there can be more fun in the small pvp community and less arguements. -
Quote:im just saying you dont have to resourt to cheap droning to fix base campers, if keeping tp droning is neccessary to fixing campers then i dont find that a valid reason considering people will exploit it.Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
Poison - "even if there are campers...just wait it out for 5 or 10minutes"
It sounds like you solved the droning issue on your own without dev involvement. -
Quote:the thing is everyone does it, both heroes and villains, and its hard not to chase someone when EVERYONE who gets on low health will run to their base, base camping is not as much a big deal as droning is because droners will drone anyone to their base even if that person is alone, basecamping is just a numbers issue, a unbalanced amount of heroes and villains and almost every mmo game has that sort of issueOriginally Posted by LaHives
Thank you for summing it up simpler than I could fellow jerseyan, it's not worth the time when 90% of a small niche have figured out the solution. Don't chase heroes close to their base, you won't get droned. Problem solved.
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Quote:why? because no one likes it thats why, the only 1 person who enjoys this "tactic" is the droner, everyone gets mad at this, and like i said before, the way to fix this isnt going to cost them that much time or effort, unless making 1 AoE power for drones that make it so you cant use tp foe (or any other power like that) unless you are a certain distance from it will take months of incredible effort, then this can be a incredibly easy fix if enough people ask for it.Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
PvP in this game is about 90% incredibly annoying and unecessary problems. If you still enjoy it after that, figure out how to play.
Even if the devs really cared about the PvP aspect of this game, why should they dedicate time and resources to fixing an issue that isnt a design flaw, but a player tactics flaw.
Pack oranges or dont basecamp...100% solution.
the solution isnt so cut and dry like you say it is, eventually your oranges will run out, and no one wants to fill all there insp. slots with oranges, and basecamping never lasts long even without a droner, heroes and villains are moving from base to base all the time and having fun, even if there are campers on my side of the base it doesnt bother me that much because i know it wount last forever, just wait it out for 5 or 10minutes -
Quote:base campers can be somwhat annoying at times but never as annoying as a dp droners, most if not all droners dont care about how many numbers there are at their base, if there are just 3 campers that person will drone them all, and base camping never lasts long, merly 10-25 minutes (guessing through my own experiance) then the opposing team will just grow then push them away, and they do this without tp droners.Originally Posted by LaHives
I was mistaken about the changes to droning, I was probably thinking of the anti-ganking code that never got added from i13.
The above stated reasons are actually fair and well thought out. Don't get me wrong, I hate droning as much as anyone else. However, I almost equally hate base camping. It's boring for both sides and does relatively nothing for keeping a fast pace/learning mechanics (that's why i suggested trying arena).
Droning, however unfortunate, is the "easy solution" to base camping. If they could, I'm sure the devs would get rid of both of these tactics, as they have been complained about since the dawn of zone pvp.
The two are not mutually excusive though, and as I stated above castle tried to implement an anti-ganking code but that's easier said than done. The fact is, droning prevents base camping, and camping is essentially just as tactless (usually) and grief inducing (if not more so) as droning is.
The pvp population that is left have made the best with the system that we have, I suggest you do the same. I'm not saying that there's no hope for a change, I'm merely saying that its part of the pandoras box that the devs really have no intention of opening, probably ever.
If you want changes, get as many people into pvp as you possibly can.The only way the devs will spend any time on pvp, is if the population is significantly larger than it currently is. Learn team mechanics and get proficient at helping others play well. The fact that you're even getting droned means you have plenty of room for improvement.
I'm not trying to stop you from requesting changes. I'm merely saying there's probably more important things to focus on than being able to stand an extra 200 ft closer to the heroes base, and not having to make the 30 second run back to hero base occasionally (see the requested changes thread). Basically, don't assume it's such a simple and worthwhile fix. Good luck, I hope this post helped.
on a side note, have you ever seen a well respected droner? these people who drone usually have no actuall pvp skills, and whenever they drone you they will brag about it on broadcast and laugh.
yes pvp isnt the devs. primary focus, and yes this has been going on for years, but we cant be quiet about it, the devs. do tweak pvp every now and again, and this anti-tp perimiter around both bases idea seems like such a easy fix, and i am trying to show this thread to more people to help against this incredibly annoying and unneccessary problem. -
Quote:thank youOriginally Posted by MisterD
Spot the guy in this thread who LIKES to drone people. Perhaps he is like Friction and cant get an 'almost' kill any other way... Obviously, since there has been no changes to fix droning..there should never be! Great argument that is. However did the devs get around to nerfing KM then..since there were NOT any changes to fix that, in over a year.
Also great to see you somehow know Twixt never got banned. Perhaps you ARE Twixt?
How dare someone talk about changes to something that might improve pvp! Since there are sooo many people trying it, all the time. -
Quote:i do my research through the pvp community in the game and only 1 other person is for pvp droning, and that person of course, drones, everyone else hates it.Originally Posted by fur_nes
You clearly didn't SEARCH. People have been complaining about droning in this game longer than you probably have played. Search Twixt if you want to know you';re history. Devs have said time and time and time and time and time and time...well you get the idea....that it is a valid tactic.
the devs. have said alot of things in the past but ended up changing their minds because of the high demand for it, like water powers for example, the devs. have said in the past that it simply could not be done but due to the large demand for it they gave in, so it is possible that if enough people demand a simple fix of tp droning be changed the devs. will do this. -
Quote:there are alot of problems in pvp and i know many of them will probably never be fixed, but this problem seems so easy and simple to fix, no number crunches, no beta testing, just a simple AoE power around both bases so you cant drone, and i know for a fact that there are more people against droning then those who are for it.Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
You dont need the right secondary or oranges to avoid getting TPd....
just dont crowd the opposing team's base and there you go.
Pretty simple actually.
Also, I applaud your effort @PoisonHeart, but people have been pissed about droning for years.
I dont think the devs care much about player self inflicted pain.
we have to try, we have to demand progress is the base of this thread. -
Quote:what little fun we pvpers have in pvp zones are usually taken away when a droner starts picking everyone off 1 by 1, this change im proposing wount destroy anything but just fix it so there are less noobs bragging on broadcast chat that they are the best just for droning and people wount get angry over a cheap way to get kills.Originally Posted by LaHives
Honestly if you want skill or fun, don't zone pvp. If you have the friend base to turn a zone over from being camped, you have enough people to get a fun free for all or KB going, which doesn't happen nearly enough these days.
The devs already tried a few anti-droning tactics a long time ago, but nothing worked. I'm assuming then, that it probably isn't a simple fix (if only for the above stated reason of droning people out of base). Even if it was as simple as adding a no-tp zone to base, the devs probably wouldn't do it. They only seem interested/have time for major bugs like the hybrid holds. (not even dark holds).
Basically creating this thread isn't going to change anything, except give trolls the scent of fresh meat. However, if you'd like to improve pvp i suggest coming up with concepts on how to improve the current pvp environment instead of the current pvp mechanics. Just a thought.
i know that there are trolls who are against the idea of no more droning, but for every 1 troll that drones there are 7 or 8 people who get angry and would want nothing more then to have this droning problem changed.
this thread IS made to improve the current pvp environment so there is less arguements in the pvp zones. if people are going to argue in broadcast chat it will be because 1 beat the other and not 1 droned the other. -
lets be real, no one likes it when their toon is suddenly teleported to a drone then instantly killed, something like that really takes the fun out of pvp, so why is it still around?
people like to say "its because there are too many (heroes/villains) near our base and we need to shorten the numbers." but having 2 or 3 partners and 5 or 6 enemies camp near your base isnt a excuse to start droning, there are just more of them and rallying up more people (friends, sg members, etc.) is a easy fix, its not like they will be their waiting for you forever, heroes and villains are constantly moving back and forth to one anothers base all the time, and no droners are needed for that.
droners only want to ruin the pvp fun for the opposing faction, many of these droners arnt even built for pvp but just 6 slot teleport foe or some other teleport power and suddenly call themselves "the greatest pvper" or "the undefeated champ."
a buddy of mine suggested this easy fix the devs. could do to stop droners but still let you be able to teleport your foe to you.
simply make some sort of perimitor in both hero and villain bases so you must be a certain distance away from any drone in order to use a teleport power. something like this doesnt need to have a team of developers discussing and planning it out, it doesnt even need to be tested on the beta, something like this could easily just be placed in any patch or issue.
now for anyone who wants to be immature in this thread and say "oh your just crying because you been droned to many times" let me say that i use electric armor and am immune to any form of teleporting, im posting this because i sympathies with the other people (both heroes and villains) who get upset when their toon is instantly teleported to a drone for no other reason then just being in the site of a droner. -
having control hybrid works great for stoping those annoying bouncing ranged toons, but once again many squishy ranged toons complain that it is OP and needs to be nerfed, i fill like this is the only real way for a melee to compete against a ranged toon.
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yea most definatly, this power needs to be fixed, no way in hell did the devs. intend for the panther power to work like that in pvp zones.
but someone told me that the devs did this on purpose so they can make more money, they would make you pay for the panther power so you can exploit pvp zones then later on when sales on it are low they will fix it. -
i would much rather have radiation melee insted.
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i heard someone tell me that ice could beat a regen, but even with the slow debuffs a regen scrap with hybernate is still impossible to be beat 1v1 melee, i also tested fire,electric,and dark melee all built for 1v1 arena battles, and all them didnt stand a chance against a regen.
what confuses me the most is why arnt there so many people in a uproar about the broken mechanics on regeneration like we did about kinetic melee, this problem has been going on for years but some people tend to ignore it, but when your in a pvp zone like recluse victory and a see a BS/regen scrap with hybernate talking trash in broadcast chat, there is really nothing you can do, you cant arena the guy because he will win, and most people will only fight withen their faction (melee vs. melee) (ranged vs ranged)
like i said before in my previous post, this has been going on for years and we got to let the devs. know about this. -
if anyone pvps they can probably tell you how unfair hybrid is in pvp zones, ok it lasts for 2 minutes, but it wount even last for THAT long if you are hit with a hold or stun, so melee toons wount be able to use their hybrid ablility as much as ranged toons with holds.
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Quote:if that is the case then it should not be handled like a toggle but sort of like popping t9 (moment of glory, unstoppable, etc..) and once its close to turning off the little icon should begin blinking, its not like everyone is going to be counting down the 2 minutes.Originally Posted by Xyzor
Not de-toggling IS a bug. Be careful with that, by the way. When it happens to me (it's happened maybe 3-4 times), it looks like the power is still active, but it is NOT. You should manually de-toggle it so that it recharges. Otherwise, it will appear to be on forever, but will afford you no benefit, and will not recharge.
I cannot speak to the PvP aspects of the ability, since that is not my cup of tea in this game. -
im disappointed in hybrid also, it doesnt work anything like the way the devs. said it would.
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Quote:thats impossible, you want to tell me that hybrid is suppost to sometimes work for 2 minutes then sometimes stay on the whole time whenever it feels like? or that hybrid was intended to make ranged toons more powerful in pvp then melee? i refuse to believe you.Originally Posted by DarkGob
Working as intended, sorry.
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the 2 biggest problems im seeing with the new hybrid incarnate are the status effect detoggles and that you can only have it on for 2 minutes.
first, why is it a toggle power if it only lasts for 2 minutes? im pretty sure this is a bug because there are times when i switch my hybrid power and it will stay on forever, so its sort of random, either these 2 minute detoggles stop happening or change the wording from it being a toggle to it being a click power
second, the power will automaticly detoggle if you are held,stunned, or hit with any sort of status effect, that in its own already creates a massive unbalancing in pvp zones were ranged toons with holds can just wreck any melee toon even if a melee toon has a hybrid toggle on it, hybrid on melee toons are utterly pointless in pvp zones if they keep detoggling after hit by a status effect, even the NPCs in Recluse Victory can hit you with a status effect even if its for 1 second, to keep pvp balanced (or just less unbalanced) the devs. have to remove this status effect detoggle from hybrid. -
the dark control holds are definatly broken in pvp, i just hope it doesnt take a year for them to fix this issue like they did with kinetic melee
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the dark hold on trollers is definatly broken in pvp, i just hope it doesnt take a year for them to fix this issue like they did with kinetic melee