I agree with you. It does make PvP boring. I say they make tp foe a certain distance from the base to where as you can use it. It would help alot
Honestly if you want skill or fun, don't zone pvp. If you have the friend base to turn a zone over from being camped, you have enough people to get a fun free for all or KB going, which doesn't happen nearly enough these days.
The devs already tried a few anti-droning tactics a long time ago, but nothing worked. I'm assuming then, that it probably isn't a simple fix (if only for the above stated reason of droning people out of base). Even if it was as simple as adding a no-tp zone to base, the devs probably wouldn't do it. They only seem interested/have time for major bugs like the hybrid holds. (not even dark holds).
Basically creating this thread isn't going to change anything, except give trolls the scent of fresh meat. However, if you'd like to improve pvp i suggest coming up with concepts on how to improve the current pvp environment instead of the current pvp mechanics. Just a thought.
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what little fun we pvpers have in pvp zones are usually taken away when a droner starts picking everyone off 1 by 1, this change im proposing wount destroy anything but just fix it so there are less noobs bragging on broadcast chat that they are the best just for droning and people wount get angry over a cheap way to get kills.|
Originally Posted by LaHives
Honestly if you want skill or fun, don't zone pvp. If you have the friend base to turn a zone over from being camped, you have enough people to get a fun free for all or KB going, which doesn't happen nearly enough these days.
The devs already tried a few anti-droning tactics a long time ago, but nothing worked. I'm assuming then, that it probably isn't a simple fix (if only for the above stated reason of droning people out of base). Even if it was as simple as adding a no-tp zone to base, the devs probably wouldn't do it. They only seem interested/have time for major bugs like the hybrid holds. (not even dark holds). Basically creating this thread isn't going to change anything, except give trolls the scent of fresh meat. However, if you'd like to improve pvp i suggest coming up with concepts on how to improve the current pvp environment instead of the current pvp mechanics. Just a thought. |
i know that there are trolls who are against the idea of no more droning, but for every 1 troll that drones there are 7 or 8 people who get angry and would want nothing more then to have this droning problem changed.
this thread IS made to improve the current pvp environment so there is less arguements in the pvp zones. if people are going to argue in broadcast chat it will be because 1 beat the other and not 1 droned the other.
You dont need the right secondary or oranges to avoid getting TPd....
just dont crowd the opposing team's base and there you go.
Pretty simple actually.
Also, I applaud your effort @PoisonHeart, but people have been pissed about droning for years.
I dont think the devs care much about player self inflicted pain.
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You clearly didn't SEARCH. People have been complaining about droning in this game longer than you probably have played. Search Twixt if you want to know you';re history. Devs have said time and time and time and time and time and time...well you get the idea....that it is a valid tactic.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
you clearly didnt read the last paragraph in my thread, infact looking at your other posts your nothing more then just a internet loser trolling others. its people like you that im talking about, who just ruin the fun for everyone else.
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there are alot of problems in pvp and i know many of them will probably never be fixed, but this problem seems so easy and simple to fix, no number crunches, no beta testing, just a simple AoE power around both bases so you cant drone, and i know for a fact that there are more people against droning then those who are for it.|
Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
You dont need the right secondary or oranges to avoid getting TPd....
just dont crowd the opposing team's base and there you go. Pretty simple actually. Also, I applaud your effort @PoisonHeart, but people have been pissed about droning for years. I dont think the devs care much about player self inflicted pain. |
we have to try, we have to demand progress is the base of this thread.
If what Twixt did was Valid..how come I saw posts from people on servers he 'drone-PANCAKE,' who got SO upset and frustrated about it, they logged of in tears. Sure, an extreme case, but I recall he got one of his MANY bans from that.
Just because it might be a valid tactic..does not mean it is NOT annoying and gimmicky. All seriousness though..could you please list the changes the devs did try, to fix droning? I don't know what they were.
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Originally Posted by fur_nes
You clearly didn't SEARCH. People have been complaining about droning in this game longer than you probably have played. Search Twixt if you want to know you';re history. Devs have said time and time and time and time and time and time...well you get the idea....that it is a valid tactic.
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the devs. have said alot of things in the past but ended up changing their minds because of the high demand for it, like water powers for example, the devs. have said in the past that it simply could not be done but due to the large demand for it they gave in, so it is possible that if enough people demand a simple fix of tp droning be changed the devs. will do this.
So you took a poll from your friends in game...and want a valid tactic changed. I am sure all three of you will win GO TEAM..
There were no changes to fix droning. They have fixed holes in bases where people could tp in, like the SC base where you could get INSIDE the base and attack people respsawning - or getting on a hero and tping a vill in the base or the countless map holes..the only change they made was you cannot be tped out of a hospital/base from a certain distance inside the hospital...
p.s. Twixt was never banned despite people saying he was no one has ever been banned for droning unless it involved a maphole/exploit.
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Spot the guy in this thread who LIKES to drone people. Perhaps he is like Friction and cant get an 'almost' kill any other way... Obviously, since there has been no changes to fix droning..there should never be! Great argument that is. However did the devs get around to nerfing KM then..since there were NOT any changes to fix that, in over a year.|
Originally Posted by fur_nes
So you took a poll from your friends in game...and want a valid tactic changed. I am sure all three of you will win GO TEAM..
There were no changes to fix droning. They have fixed holes in bases where people could tp in, like the SC base where you could get INSIDE the base and attack people respsawning - or getting on a hero and tping a vill in the base or the countless map holes..the only change they made was you cannot be tped out of a hospital/base from a certain distance inside the hospital... p.s. Twixt was never banned despite people saying he was no one has ever been banned for droning unless it involved a maphole/exploit. |
Also great to see you somehow know Twixt never got banned. Perhaps you ARE Twixt?
How dare someone talk about changes to something that might improve pvp! Since there are sooo many people trying it, all the time.
I was mistaken about the changes to droning, I was probably thinking of the anti-ganking code that never got added from i13.
The above stated reasons are actually fair and well thought out. Don't get me wrong, I hate droning as much as anyone else. However, I almost equally hate base camping. It's boring for both sides and does relatively nothing for keeping a fast pace/learning mechanics (that's why i suggested trying arena).
Droning, however unfortunate, is the "easy solution" to base camping. If they could, I'm sure the devs would get rid of both of these tactics, as they have been complained about since the dawn of zone pvp.
The two are not mutually excusive though, and as I stated above castle tried to implement an anti-ganking code but that's easier said than done. The fact is, droning prevents base camping, and camping is essentially just as tactless (usually) and grief inducing (if not more so) as droning is.
The pvp population that is left have made the best with the system that we have, I suggest you do the same. I'm not saying that there's no hope for a change, I'm merely saying that its part of the pandoras box that the devs really have no intention of opening, probably ever.
If you want changes, get as many people into pvp as you possibly can.The only way the devs will spend any time on pvp, is if the population is significantly larger than it currently is. Learn team mechanics and get proficient at helping others play well. The fact that you're even getting droned means you have plenty of room for improvement.
I'm not trying to stop you from requesting changes. I'm merely saying there's probably more important things to focus on than being able to stand an extra 200 ft closer to the heroes base, and not having to make the 30 second run back to hero base occasionally (see the requested changes thread). Basically, don't assume it's such a simple and worthwhile fix. Good luck, I hope this post helped.
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Originally Posted by MisterD
Spot the guy in this thread who LIKES to drone people. Perhaps he is like Friction and cant get an 'almost' kill any other way... Obviously, since there has been no changes to fix droning..there should never be! Great argument that is. However did the devs get around to nerfing KM then..since there were NOT any changes to fix that, in over a year.
Also great to see you somehow know Twixt never got banned. Perhaps you ARE Twixt? How dare someone talk about changes to something that might improve pvp! Since there are sooo many people trying it, all the time. |
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base campers can be somwhat annoying at times but never as annoying as a dp droners, most if not all droners dont care about how many numbers there are at their base, if there are just 3 campers that person will drone them all, and base camping never lasts long, merly 10-25 minutes (guessing through my own experiance) then the opposing team will just grow then push them away, and they do this without tp droners.|
Originally Posted by LaHives
I was mistaken about the changes to droning, I was probably thinking of the anti-ganking code that never got added from i13.
The above stated reasons are actually fair and well thought out. Don't get me wrong, I hate droning as much as anyone else. However, I almost equally hate base camping. It's boring for both sides and does relatively nothing for keeping a fast pace/learning mechanics (that's why i suggested trying arena). Droning, however unfortunate, is the "easy solution" to base camping. If they could, I'm sure the devs would get rid of both of these tactics, as they have been complained about since the dawn of zone pvp. The two are not mutually excusive though, and as I stated above castle tried to implement an anti-ganking code but that's easier said than done. The fact is, droning prevents base camping, and camping is essentially just as tactless (usually) and grief inducing (if not more so) as droning is. The pvp population that is left have made the best with the system that we have, I suggest you do the same. I'm not saying that there's no hope for a change, I'm merely saying that its part of the pandoras box that the devs really have no intention of opening, probably ever. If you want changes, get as many people into pvp as you possibly can.The only way the devs will spend any time on pvp, is if the population is significantly larger than it currently is. Learn team mechanics and get proficient at helping others play well. The fact that you're even getting droned means you have plenty of room for improvement. I'm not trying to stop you from requesting changes. I'm merely saying there's probably more important things to focus on than being able to stand an extra 200 ft closer to the heroes base, and not having to make the 30 second run back to hero base occasionally (see the requested changes thread). Basically, don't assume it's such a simple and worthwhile fix. Good luck, I hope this post helped. |
on a side note, have you ever seen a well respected droner? these people who drone usually have no actuall pvp skills, and whenever they drone you they will brag about it on broadcast and laugh.
yes pvp isnt the devs. primary focus, and yes this has been going on for years, but we cant be quiet about it, the devs. do tweak pvp every now and again, and this anti-tp perimiter around both bases idea seems like such a easy fix, and i am trying to show this thread to more people to help against this incredibly annoying and unneccessary problem.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
this incredibly annoying and unneccessary problem.
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PvP in this game is about 90% incredibly annoying and unecessary problems. If you still enjoy it after that, figure out how to play.
Even if the devs really cared about the PvP aspect of this game, why should they dedicate time and resources to fixing an issue that isnt a design flaw, but a player tactics flaw.
Pack oranges or dont basecamp...100% solution.
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Thank you for summing it up simpler than I could fellow jerseyan, it's not worth the time when 90% of a small niche have figured out the solution. Don't chase heroes close to their base, you won't get droned. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
PvP in this game is about 90% incredibly annoying and unecessary problems.
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why? because no one likes it thats why, the only 1 person who enjoys this "tactic" is the droner, everyone gets mad at this, and like i said before, the way to fix this isnt going to cost them that much time or effort, unless making 1 AoE power for drones that make it so you cant use tp foe (or any other power like that) unless you are a certain distance from it will take months of incredible effort, then this can be a incredibly easy fix if enough people ask for it.|
Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
PvP in this game is about 90% incredibly annoying and unecessary problems. If you still enjoy it after that, figure out how to play.
Even if the devs really cared about the PvP aspect of this game, why should they dedicate time and resources to fixing an issue that isnt a design flaw, but a player tactics flaw. Pack oranges or dont basecamp...100% solution. |
the solution isnt so cut and dry like you say it is, eventually your oranges will run out, and no one wants to fill all there insp. slots with oranges, and basecamping never lasts long even without a droner, heroes and villains are moving from base to base all the time and having fun, even if there are campers on my side of the base it doesnt bother me that much because i know it wount last forever, just wait it out for 5 or 10minutes
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Originally Posted by MisterD
Spot the guy in this thread who LIKES to drone people. Perhaps he is like Friction and cant get an 'almost' kill any other way... Obviously, since there has been no changes to fix droning..there should never be! Great argument that is. However did the devs get around to nerfing KM then..since there were NOT any changes to fix that, in over a year.
Also great to see you somehow know Twixt never got banned. Perhaps you ARE Twixt? How dare someone talk about changes to something that might improve pvp! Since there are sooo many people trying it, all the time. |
Okay so I will try to explain this slowly with smal words. You cannot by any means get droned if you are fighting away from the base. In that rare case where a blaster has built a droning toon (boost rannge - max range in tp foe and + range ios) then yes you can get snagged from a litter farther but not beyond what they can SEE you at....
So...if we have established droning can only happen when you are at the base, and it ruins your pvp, you are at the base what? base camping. It's not like you're being snatched mid air from under the statue in RV or the runis in SC
So PVP fun for you is to fight at great odds to the other side and camp their base waiting for one or two to come out to get ganked by 10 of your side..and your fun gets ruined when someone tps your little band into a drone?? and PVP would be so much better if they could not do that and you could sit outside of the base lopsided ganking.
again I will make the point rather than trying to disable valid tactics, why not, change sides help out and make the sides even so the fight can be taken to the middle of the map?..Or if you don't want to do that convince your team to move to the middle of the map and wait for a fight to show up....if you go near the base in tp range with greater numbers prepared to get droned....it happens to me all the time...I look down, I have not lost a kidney or an eye, the world has not ended, I respawn and go back to the game...maybe zone out get some oranges or get on a kin, you know strategy..rather than complain about something that has been in the game complaned about and given the official response time and time again "valid tactic"
LaHives - I totally agreed with your previous post. See you at the shore this summer.
Supermax - Hey buddy ...
If people get this mad at droning, can you imagine how upset they would be with a guy that used 4-5 accounts and triple venged then applied kin/cold/etc buffs to an i13 Fort?
Now that was worth griping about...actually, I think i cried all over the boards about your friend for awhile on that one lol.
Poison - "even if there are campers...just wait it out for 5 or 10minutes"
It sounds like you solved the droning issue on your own without dev involvement.
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the thing is everyone does it, both heroes and villains, and its hard not to chase someone when EVERYONE who gets on low health will run to their base, base camping is not as much a big deal as droning is because droners will drone anyone to their base even if that person is alone, basecamping is just a numbers issue, a unbalanced amount of heroes and villains and almost every mmo game has that sort of issue
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Originally Posted by LaHives
Thank you for summing it up simpler than I could fellow jerseyan, it's not worth the time when 90% of a small niche have figured out the solution. Don't chase heroes close to their base, you won't get droned. Problem solved.
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im just saying you dont have to resourt to cheap droning to fix base campers, if keeping tp droning is neccessary to fixing campers then i dont find that a valid reason considering people will exploit it.
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
Poison - "even if there are campers...just wait it out for 5 or 10minutes"
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
im just saying you dont have to resourt to cheap droning to fix base campers, if keeping tp droning is neccessary to fixing campers then i dont find that a valid reason considering people will exploit it.
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Why?
- emotional immaturity and/or instability
- a desire to push the limits and attempt to disrupt
- cociopathic behavior
- boredom
- amusement derived from other people's reactions
Good luck in the quest to fix droning. Im not a fan of it either but if you have people here giving you easy fixes, then it seems that you could really spend the time contacting devs about a host of other serious PvP related issues.
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"when a stalker goes blue side, assassination strike should be renamed "bunny hugs", and a rainbow should fly out" -Harbinger-
Don't base camp... Thats the answer find an area make it known to hang out there like the HDS (Hot Dog Stand) in Siren's Call or even the Beach in Warburg...
lets be real, no one likes it when their toon is suddenly teleported to a drone then instantly killed, something like that really takes the fun out of pvp, so why is it still around?
people like to say "its because there are too many (heroes/villains) near our base and we need to shorten the numbers." but having 2 or 3 partners and 5 or 6 enemies camp near your base isnt a excuse to start droning, there are just more of them and rallying up more people (friends, sg members, etc.) is a easy fix, its not like they will be their waiting for you forever, heroes and villains are constantly moving back and forth to one anothers base all the time, and no droners are needed for that.
droners only want to ruin the pvp fun for the opposing faction, many of these droners arnt even built for pvp but just 6 slot teleport foe or some other teleport power and suddenly call themselves "the greatest pvper" or "the undefeated champ."
a buddy of mine suggested this easy fix the devs. could do to stop droners but still let you be able to teleport your foe to you.
simply make some sort of perimitor in both hero and villain bases so you must be a certain distance away from any drone in order to use a teleport power. something like this doesnt need to have a team of developers discussing and planning it out, it doesnt even need to be tested on the beta, something like this could easily just be placed in any patch or issue.
now for anyone who wants to be immature in this thread and say "oh your just crying because you been droned to many times" let me say that i use electric armor and am immune to any form of teleporting, im posting this because i sympathies with the other people (both heroes and villains) who get upset when their toon is instantly teleported to a drone for no other reason then just being in the site of a droner.