hybrid detoggles and 2minute use
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-06-02 07:52 in Bug Report Forums
Working as intended, sorry.
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thats impossible, you want to tell me that hybrid is suppost to sometimes work for 2 minutes then sometimes stay on the whole time whenever it feels like? or that hybrid was intended to make ranged toons more powerful in pvp then melee? i refuse to believe you.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Working as intended, sorry.
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Not de-toggling IS a bug. Be careful with that, by the way. When it happens to me (it's happened maybe 3-4 times), it looks like the power is still active, but it is NOT. You should manually de-toggle it so that it recharges. Otherwise, it will appear to be on forever, but will afford you no benefit, and will not recharge.
I cannot speak to the PvP aspects of the ability, since that is not my cup of tea in this game.
- Xyzor, Lightning.Rod, Kagyx - Rubber Mulch / Wholesale Candy - Freedom Server
This has been discussed over literally hundreds of posts during beta. Several players did not agree with the developers' decisions, and yes, there were some changes to Hybrid during beta, but you can see what the developers decided to go live with.
We were told that Hybrid was not supposed to be always on. The original way to force you to shut off the toggle was a prohibitive endurance cost... and that version did not have any passive effects at all. Just be happy that we didn't get that version.
10joy
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No, the fact that Hybrid is a toggle that only stays active for 2 minutes is WAI. Like Xyzor said, the not detoggling part is a bug.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
thats impossible, you want to tell me that hybrid is suppost to sometimes work for 2 minutes then sometimes stay on the whole time whenever it feels like? or that hybrid was intended to make ranged toons more powerful in pvp then melee? i refuse to believe you.
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"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
I can accept that the hybrid 'toggles' are not supposed to be constant-use, but why make them a toggle then? Why not just make them a click power. Seems pointlessly complicated to me.
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if that is the case then it should not be handled like a toggle but sort of like popping t9 (moment of glory, unstoppable, etc..) and once its close to turning off the little icon should begin blinking, its not like everyone is going to be counting down the 2 minutes.
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Originally Posted by Xyzor
Not de-toggling IS a bug. Be careful with that, by the way. When it happens to me (it's happened maybe 3-4 times), it looks like the power is still active, but it is NOT. You should manually de-toggle it so that it recharges. Otherwise, it will appear to be on forever, but will afford you no benefit, and will not recharge.
I cannot speak to the PvP aspects of the ability, since that is not my cup of tea in this game. |
if anyone pvps they can probably tell you how unfair hybrid is in pvp zones, ok it lasts for 2 minutes, but it wount even last for THAT long if you are hit with a hold or stun, so melee toons wount be able to use their hybrid ablility as much as ranged toons with holds.
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Because this way you can cancel the power prematurely, thus having the power ready for its next use earlier. (And no, if it was a click, this wouldn't work even if you could cancel its effect.)|
Originally Posted by firespray
I can accept that the hybrid 'toggles' are not supposed to be constant-use, but why make them a toggle then? Why not just make them a click power. Seems pointlessly complicated to me.
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10joy
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Well see, there's your problem.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
if anyone pvps
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"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
Sounds like someone didn't get the memo. I hear reading is tech.
@ Dr Gemini
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I just unlocked Hybrid last night, and slotted a T4 in it. I had this exact situation happen to me. It never detoggled, AND the power continued to show in my power status area (below the health bar, whatever that's called). Both Hybrid indicators, btw, one for the auto endurance discount, and the other for the buffs. Seems the only way to know the power is no longer "really" active is to time it yourself or keep an eye on the graphics associated with the power.
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Originally Posted by Xyzor
Not de-toggling IS a bug. Be careful with that, by the way. When it happens to me (it's happened maybe 3-4 times), it looks like the power is still active, but it is NOT. You should manually de-toggle it so that it recharges. Otherwise, it will appear to be on forever, but will afford you no benefit, and will not recharge.
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Originally Posted by firespray
I can accept that the hybrid 'toggles' are not supposed to be constant-use, but why make them a toggle then? Why not just make them a click power. Seems pointlessly complicated to me.
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Originally Posted by Tenjoy
Because this way you can cancel the power prematurely, thus having the power ready for its next use earlier. (And no, if it was a click, this wouldn't work even if you could cancel its effect.)
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Technically I guess they could have made them work as a click by having the click power grant an additional auto-power but making them a cloggle was probably easier.
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This should not be happening. The last I played with it in PvE, getting mezzed did not shut off the toggle. If the toggle is getting shutoff in PvP due to mez, I would bug it.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
second, the power will automaticly detoggle if you are held,stunned, or hit with any sort of status effect
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Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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I've never seen the graphics associated with the power shut off while it's still showing as toggled on (even after the 2 minute mark). I've also seen multiple icons start appearing the area below the health bar, even when I'm soloing.
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Originally Posted by InOnePiece
I just unlocked Hybrid last night, and slotted a T4 in it. I had this exact situation happen to me. It never detoggled, AND the power continued to show in my power status area (below the health bar, whatever that's called). Both Hybrid indicators, btw, one for the auto endurance discount, and the other for the buffs. Seems the only way to know the power is no longer "really" active is to time it yourself or keep an eye on the graphics associated with the power.
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the 2 biggest problems im seeing with the new hybrid incarnate are the status effect detoggles and that you can only have it on for 2 minutes.
first, why is it a toggle power if it only lasts for 2 minutes? im pretty sure this is a bug because there are times when i switch my hybrid power and it will stay on forever, so its sort of random, either these 2 minute detoggles stop happening or change the wording from it being a toggle to it being a click power
second, the power will automaticly detoggle if you are held,stunned, or hit with any sort of status effect, that in its own already creates a massive unbalancing in pvp zones were ranged toons with holds can just wreck any melee toon even if a melee toon has a hybrid toggle on it, hybrid on melee toons are utterly pointless in pvp zones if they keep detoggling after hit by a status effect, even the NPCs in Recluse Victory can hit you with a status effect even if its for 1 second, to keep pvp balanced (or just less unbalanced) the devs. have to remove this status effect detoggle from hybrid.