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Good point. What was I thinking?? I blame the lack of coffee.

Hyper: You forgot to 6 slot Brawl.. You're slipping.

That....doesn't sound right, if you're running at x6 or x7. While I don't farm redside, one run of Battle Maiden blueside on my Fire/Rad set for +1/x8 drops between 10-15 IO recipes (both generic and set). I've never counted salvage, but it fills up so fast I have to start deleting commons after a couple runs.

Ah yes.. The thread where after 34 pages or so, you still couldn't grasp the simple concept of why your poorly built Defender couldn't have the survivability and damage output of a Scrapper. Epic lulz abounded in that thread, for sure...

Of course, a normal player would simply take the examples given him or her on how to fix their issues with one build and be able to grasp the basic concepts and apply them to their other builds. In your case, however, you are not actually interested in doing anything to alleviate your issues, you just want to make wholesale, across-the-board changes to game mechanics because they don't fit your own skewed concept of what the game should allow, which is to turn all your characters into tankmages.

I know you're not. Because they don't exist, at least not in any great numbers. Similar to many other claims you've made where you couldn't be 'bothered' to actually provide any of the evidence you claimed exists to back up your arguments.

No, if he rested 6 times, he can't have fought more than 3 spawns, since he would have needed to rest halfway through each fight. I call shenanigans!

Nope.. It's no PITA for me that some people want a 'healer'. I just don't want to team with those kind of people.

BAH! *shakes fist*

Were those supposed 15K defeats when you were solo or teamed? Because if you're teamed then drops are split among the team randomly, so on a team of 8, those 15K are more like the equivalent of 1900 or so.

The best way to get purples is to defeat as many enemies as quickly as possible while solo. If you can munch minions and LT's quickly at 0/x8, you will maximize your chances of getting a purple drop. The drop rate number I've heard tossed around the most is about 1/1500 defeats. That's random though. It might take 3000 or more defeats to get a drop, or you might get 2 back-to-back. I got 3 purple drops on the same LGTF once. Other days I've spent hours farming at x8 with nothing.

Good point. Didn't think about that aspect of it. This is a good example of why any change is unlikely to happen. It would open up a huge can of worms when it comes to game balance, and the current mechanic is not anywhere remotely near the problem some here are making it out to be.

It's not badly designed. Those are usually players who are slotted for extreme recharge max-DPS attack chains, taking Tough/Weave for extra survivability, etc. In other words, they're taking QR and Stamina, not because they have basic endurance issues and need it to get by, but because they are seeking a much greater level of performance. They're playing at high difficulty levels, or they're soloing AV's, or doing something else that requires that level of endurance recovery.

My Fire/Rad controller has perma-Accelerate Metabolism and has even more end recovery than a scrapper with QR and Stamina. I don't need that level of recovery to play just fine on normal settings though. I use that level of recovery to support the ability to play at +2 or +3/x8 solo. That doesn't mean the endurance mechanic is broken.

The only suggestion I've seen in this thread that makes any sense at all, is to increase the base recovery rate while simultaneously lowering the recovery rate of Stamina. That would keep the overall endurance recovery the same, which would not make lvl20+ characters any more powerful, while also reducing downtime at low levels. It would also move Stamina more into the realm of an optional power and open up some more build flexibility. It would, however, tend to increase the leveling rate from 1-20 even more than it already is. I'm not sure the devs would consider that a good thing.

Don't forget to have the kin slot for max runspeed in SB...

Honestly, I didn't pick that as a selective comparison. I simply picked AR/EM, since my main is an AR/EM Blaster.

I think they'd come out looking pretty good as well. Maybe not quite as good as AR/EM, since they are a bit less AOE focused, but on the other hand, they also have Aim to further boost damage, which AR does not. But, I think we've gotten off-topic enough in this thread...

You're right in a way. Blasters will always be fairly low on the survivability scale, especially when compared to Tankers. However, once you have enough survivability to defeat an enemy group, any excess is wasted. The Fire/MM Blaster that can completely destroy an entire spawn with Fire Breath, Fire Ball, Psychic Scream only needs to survive long enough to get those powers off, then recover for the next group.

I actually think that originally it was working correctly, but when they adjusted Shield Charge for the AT dmg modifiers it got screwed up by whoever made the change.

Simple. Make every AT into a tankmage. Then there will be equality and Ultimo will be satisfied.

Classic.

Don't waste your time.. Ultimo still hasn't been able to grasp why his Defender can't have the survivability and damage of a Scrapper. The concept of game balance is meaningless to him.

I want my Pink-Pony Control/Rainbow Assault Dominator NAO!!!

Probably because several of us are already familiar with his posting history and simply have very little patience for more of the same silliness.

So, let's apply that same logic to some other powers.

I bet 95% of Blaster builds contain Aim & Build-Up. So, apparently Blasters don't do enough damage and their damage should be buffed.

I'll also wager that 95% of builds posted on the forum utilize Fly, Super Jump, Super Speed or Teleport. I can therefore conclude that base speeds are too low and need to be buffed across the board for all AT's.

And while I am sure it is less than 95%, I'll also wager that the majority of builds posted also use Hasten. Powers must take too long to recharge then. Guess we need to reduce recharge times on all powers as well.

Wow.. I'm getting pretty excited here. Let's do this! I'm eagerly looking forward to my new Blaster with lower endurance usage, more damage, no wasted power picks on travel powers, and perma-hasten from level 1. Sounds good to me! We'll also need to increase the difficulty options to +6/x16 to go along with this, of course...

There's nothing wrong with that idea, as long as the overall effect of both stays exactly the same.

Not even close.

Tanker SC does base 133 damage at lvl 50 in its current form. Tanker Footstomp does base 63 damage at lvl 50. Add the buff from Rage and fully saturated AAO and we're up to approximately 325 & 154 damage respectively, before enhancements. Total unenhanced damage about 479.

Compare to an Assault Rifle/EM Blaster. Build-Up + Full-Auto alone comes in at 357, not all that far behind Shield Charge+Footstomp in a single attack. A full AOE chain of Build-Up, Flamethrower, Full-Auto, Buckshot brings it up to 712. That's about 50% more AOE damage output than the Shield/SS tanker. That's not even remotely "very close". And the blaster can continue to cycle through his multiple AOE attacks while the tanker is stuck waiting for Footstomp to recharge.

Let's also not forget target caps. Melee PbAOEs have a cap of 10 targets and Melee cones have a cap of only 5 targets. Ranged AOE's are capped at 16 and ranged cones are capped at 10. That's a heck of a lot more targets being hit.

I think you might be being a bit too optimistic about changes to SC. My IO'd Fire/Shield scrapper would love to see it stay the same, but the fact is the numbers on it are incorrect. It's not a matter of the devs perceiving that it is overpowered and wanting to adjust it for balance, it's that the numbers are flat-out wrong in the power. So it's much less of a 'nerf' than it is correcting something that is wrong and not working as intended.

As Castle stated here:

So we're talking about a power that is doing nearly twice the damage it is supposed to do, across its entire radius. It may take a while for them to make a change, but I don't see them leaving that alone to appease the shield players.

If LR is working the way it is supposed to, and I believe it is, it only does its max damage at the very center of its targeted location. The damage tapers off the further from the AOE center the target is. So, in practice, it is much less effective than it appears to be on initial glance, especially when compared to Shield Charge.

That he's a masochist that wants to keep on getting pwned in PvP?

There's a bit of an issue with using those two examples.

1: Shield/SS Tankers aren't nuking anything instantly. I've got one. They simply don't have enough damage output.

2: Shield Charge is overpowered and not working as intended per Castle, and is going to be nerfed. So that Elec/Shield Scrapper isn't going to be insta-nuking every spawn either anymore.

That's pretty much par for the course with every thread Ultimo starts about game mechanics. He finds some aspect of the game that doesn't mesh with his own personal unrealistic vision of what his characters should be able to do, and rather than alter his own playstyle, or adapt to the situation, or learn new skills & tactics, he just whines about how it's "not fun" and the game should be changed to suit him.