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Fine, but I dont have the defence or resistances as granite.

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3 team mates and you have capped (85%) resistance to all but psi in dwarf form. Not as good as granite, but better than any other tanker, and with no crash, recharge, and with damage multipler 1.0, +80% from inherent melee damage.

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All accolades work in forms, even the crey pistol, so animation is an excuse.

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Jump Kick? and I would keep quiet about the Crey pistol, if I was you.

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Fly protection, did I say pvp? I dont think so, would be a nice pve buff.

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Why not just give all fly powers protection from -fly? that would make sense wouldn't it?!

And jump powers imune to -jump, and superspeed immune to slow effects....

As for defense, nova form can now get up to 70% resistance to all (with capped resistance to E/N), or mag 7 mez protection.

Hmm, most of the level 50 brutes I see around are Electric.

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I find in Dwarf, that I cannot keep up with the constant Super Speed/Super Jump Villains but thats it.


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Why is that a problem? They have put a lot of effort into speed and manuverability. Why would you expect to be able to keep up when turned into a big lumbering thing? You have a better chance of keeping up with them than Granite anyway.

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Still dont have fitness pools active in forms, for me, this would free up 6 slots, plus having the ability to stick the unique health io's into health and benefiting from them in forms, instead of coming out every 2 minutes.


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I believe this is a matter of consistancy. Other pool powers can't work in forms because of the animations. So the rule has to be pool powers don't work in forms.

As for the unique health IOs, they are a serious waste of precious slots on a keldian. slot for regen and recovery set bonuses instead.

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Dwarfs survivability is still linked to whether he can out heal the damage that is being done

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This is the key equation fo any ATs suvivability.

With some back up, dwarf form will now be more suvivable than anything other than a GA tank (and do considerably more damage), I doubt they would think it needed any more buff.

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Can we have some fly protection on Nova, since that would be helpful, seeing as nova defence is to be able to fly away from melee.

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So melee can be even more lol in PvP you mean?

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its still anti other kheldians since they dont count towards cosmic balance buffage.


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Has to be the case really, or you would get unstoppable all keldian superteams that would make VEAT teams look like a bunch of gimps.

The Wolfs Throat is the tunnel, don't go all the way through it to the base.

The easiest way to find it is to follow the road over the bridge leading away from the port (the one you had to stop being blown up in the previous mission).

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As it stands i think elec armour gives the least over all protection of all the brute armour sets (not sure about stalkers but i suspect its the same).

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You are correct. Although it has fewer holes than most other sets too.

Given that it is popular anyway, is a buff needed? Edit: Certainly for the stalker version it is.

They might prefer to wait until its proliferated to heroes, and replace Conserve Power with a heal in the hero version, since scrappers and tankers get it in thier APPs anyway.

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"Chivalry" is for heroes only.

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Chivalry is only for self indulgant heroes who put their own pride above protecting the public.

On scrappers, Invince would seem to have become a more skippable power. After all, it's a scrappers job to kill stuff, not hold aggro (although a taunt aura gives more felexability in role), and Invince now needs to hit 6+ targets to be better than Tough Hide.

Quite right, that would be an issue too.

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Praf seriously what are you talking about?? A 1v1 arena match?

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No, I don't PvP in arenas, its incredably dull. I'm interested in player vs player, not powerset vs powerset. I want as many tactical options as possible, so I can arrange the battlefield in my favor. Zones only for me.

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And seriously you think its skillfull to kill a MM while he is setting up?

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Not skillful, intellegent. The set up time is an intentional weakness of MMs. Not to take advantage of that weakness when you have an oportunity to do so is shear stupidity.

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remove the shields and replace with more useful powers that will be worth taking.


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The shields aren't compulsory you know. Keldians already get a lot of extra powers to choose from, so what you ask for is already an option. My PB only has the S/L shield, and does perfectly well.

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And more than that how does it work conceptually that these space faring multi dimensional beings have the mental strength of a retarded chicken anyway?

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They have exactly as much mental strength as the person playing them.

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TPing away is not dueling. And usually its good form to let your opponent set up to some degree.


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And bad form to use inspirations I suppose? Hence your problem with break frees. I can't be doing with any of this erzatz chivalry crud. As far as I'm concered all's fair in love and war, and letting someone set up pets is shear stupidity, as is being defeated when you could retreat and regroup. He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day.

That's the only way I fight, you can like it or lump it.

So you PvP with self imposed restraints, then complain when it puts your AT at a disadvantage. I suppose you think it is bad form for a stalker to use hide to?

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9.) not to go against it but, what IS the problem with waal crawling?


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Just the number of extra animations really afaik. Not only do you need to make the animations for moving, you have to create alterantive animations for every single power for use while wall crawling.

I would cancel and make a full move to WAR.

As a sensible answer to the OP, the devs have said that virtually all powerset will be proliferated eventually.

So yes, blasters will eventualy get dark blast.

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I never said a crab would beat anything other than a pb. How many duels have u actually fought with a pb praf?

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Enough. I don't win many, but I have never, ever been defeated in pvP with my PB. I have also played a crab to level 50 in PvE and PvP. Bottom line is, Crab have nothing that can mez PB, End recovery in Light Form is enough to beat any end drain from Call Reinforcements, assuming the PB doesn't hammer the crab before he can get them out, and the PB can easily do enough damage to defeat the crab before light form expires, even without the I13 damage buff. And if the fight goes badly forthe PB they can always go dwarf and TP away. Basically, the best a crab could hope achieve would be a draw, unless they where fighting a very stupid PB.

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Obviously I am not entitled to my opinion

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You are entitled to your opinion. However, if you make your opinion public then other people are entitled to point out why your opinion is wrong.

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I still find the mez prot trade off pretty odd for PBs.

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So? If you don't like it you don't have to play them. You say yoursef your PB can steamroller in PvE. You want to be a steamroller and have mez protection? Do you not think that would be very very unbalanced?! However, many of us like our keldians and are very happy with the changes announced for issue 13.

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Have to agree with Sorudo on this (which may be a first ). In a world where people are strong enough to punch through tank armour, the weight of a giant sword isn't necessarily going to be a factor in being able to weild it one-handed.

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BAB has discussed this. There is a difference between what a theoretical superstong human should be able to do, and what the sunconcious brain will accept without going "that looks wrong".

Consider Superman. He is stong enough to easily pick up and throw a car with one hand. Yet in a comic illustration, or in animation or film, he is generally shown lifting a car with both hands, hefting it onto his shoulders in a power lift, and then throwing it.

This is done to make that car look heavy to the viewer.

BAB said he is not against really big swords, but they would need new animations to stop them looking stupid, which would mean a new powerset.

I suggest you read the whole thread, before asuming we are misiterpeting what people say based on single comments. You are the one who is jumping to conclusions without reading the whole of what has been said.

e.g. in an earlier post he says:

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True pvp may be different in i13. Still while u can pvp with a pb, human form will still be useless without light form. No huge difference from how it stands now. Two minutes of mediocre damage output then just not dying the rest of the time. Crab spider will still pwn a pb.


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If he had later corrected himself, as said "whoops, I meant Bane spider, I "would have given him the benefit of the doubt, it would at least be a more even fight. If he had said, a fortunata wil pwn a PB, then that would be true. But he specifies crab, with weak single target damage, light defenses, low hp, and no effective mezzes, which clearly shows he has no idea what he is talking about.


Maelwys, FFM, Carnifax, and myself all say it is possible for a PB to be effective without mez protection. Charnel has said it is catagorically impossible for a PB to be worth anything other than a pity spot, moreover, he also says, that even with the substantial damage buffs and no more toggle dropping it will still be impossible for a PB it be effective without mez protection.

Now this is clearly rubbish, since blasters, controllers, defenders, corruptors all manage to be effective witout mez protection. He has clearly also forgotten, or conviently chooses to ignore, the existance of Break Frees.

However, he does say:

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Current build is human/dwarf and as in all my PBs incarnations it is practically unstoppable in PVE.

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Which is consistant with what the rest of us find, but not consistant with the rest of what he is being saying.

You might check the frequent suggestions thread.

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And as far as my skill with khelds goes I believe I am pretty good thank you.

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The evidence says otherwise.

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He clearly knows nothing about VEATs if he thinks a crab spider can beat anything in PvP.


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Nice misquote. I never said anything of the sort.

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You said a crab could beat a keldian in PvP. Thus, you said they could beat something in PvP. They can't even come close. Crabs are great, but PvPers they aint.

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watching 99% of PBs i see sat in dwarf when there is a real tanker in the team.

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Eh, yes. If you sit in dwarf form, you won't be very effective at anything. I suggest that this is what you are doing wrong. You are so afraid that you might be mezzed that you are spending far to much time in dwarf. Fact is, on a team with the likes of blasters and tanks you won't be even be targeted all that often, if you have contollers you do have mez protection, if you use your abilities effectively the mobs will be dead or mezzed before they can mez you, it doesn't matter if a PB looses its shields, since its powerful click heals contibute more to suvivability anyway, and if all else fails, there are break frees.

It was also the first game by that paticular development team. Many parts of the engine are clunky.

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i still don´t understand why a "Shield Throw" is beyond the engines capacity since it´s perfectly capable of conjuring objects out of thin air (i.e. Propel).

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It's not the throw as such that the engine can't do. It can't do customisable projectiles. So in order for the thrown shield to match the carried shield you wouldn't be able to have any shield customisation.

It's a similar reason that spines can't be customised.

Given that it would be pretty stupid to throw you shield away when you need it to defend yourself, they decided that they would rather have customisable shields than thrown shields.

Most modern games want high spec video cards for the special functions they have, such as shader model 2.0 or 3.0 support, not for speed. They simply won't display properly without those functions.

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kinda like the bracers of Wonder Woman for example?

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You don't really use that kind of shield the way you use a full-sized shield. In games, that's usually modelled as armour of some kind.

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Indeed, a different type of shield would require different animations, which the game doesn't support.

However, there are already arm bracers and gauntlets with armor plates in the costume editor. If you want to create a character like that you can just pick Invunerability or SR with an appropiate costume.

It's a bit late anyway, since this thread was started the changes have been anounced.

I would stuff the warranty. A machine with specs that low aint worth having a warranty anyway. As it is it is basically useless for anything but "vintage" gaming.

Probably worried about the -def in Unyealding. I doubt they where an experienced player.