Oedipus_Tex

I'll just say there's a threshold after which criticism starts to tell you more about the critic than the author.

Google Images more or less agrees with you. The fact that so many people make automatically make the leap from bar maid to prostitute really bothers me to be honest. Although the entire Old West costume era is more or less a a fantasy in itself, much like many popular ideas about the Medieval era.

Anyway, I certainly hope no one is trying to say Paragon Studios deliberately built an Old West prostitute costume into the game. Because that's what it's starting to sound like and that is time-for-medications ridiculous.

That looks nothing like the pieces in this set.

On the other hand, a LOT of this would have been bypassed had the default costume just used white leggings instead of bare legs. Neither of these parts is part of the actual Gunslinger pack. The apron-and-bow-butt-cape could just as well have been over tights. No matter what you put it over, that piece did not come with the set. Which is part of why people calling this a "prostitute" pack puts my nerves on edge. It takes two clicks to cover the legs, they are not baked bare.

ADDENDUM: I should add that, specifically, where I most often run into trouble costuming female characters in CoH is from the knees down. That's a problem of scale. Dresses have to be short for animation reasons. That leaves the length of the leg bare. The way the leggings work, only the top of the legs down get covered. The problem becomes covering the rest of the leg; you almost always have to use either boots or long tights. What you can't do is have long leggings that extend into a sensible shoe. All of this combined is what leads to the "loli" look. The dress is too short, the boots are too long. I honestly don't know a way around it. I would love full dresses and skirts but I doubt we'll see it in the lifetime of this game.

Men in big boots aren't considered to be stripperific by most people. Although I'm convinced by this thread that most posters have never actually seen a male stripper. Played for laughs, kind of, with my Pinball character.



Although IMO the joke is really on anyone who thinks they look macho in leather chaps.

Not really. It just means the bottom level of performance is the similar. The peak level is still different.

What really kind of blows about [addendum: many, not all]powers that don't benefit from Domination is they get hit twice. Not only do they not get extra magnitude, they are permanently stuck with a Dominator's lower duration than a Controller.

Taking a step back to halt escalation. I apologize, because my last post on this subject was snippy.

Firstly, you're right, what I wrote didn't have anything to do with clothing. I was responding to the side discussion about why there are no female members of some factions. If that somehow led to an interpretation that I was saying female clothes don't matter because men tend to die a lot then that is not what I intended.

Now, I will be honest. The tone of this discussion frustrates me for the same reasons the "fridge" talk last week did. IMO quite a few posters have thrown the "sexism" accusation around like rice at a wedding. Then when challenged on it, they coyly remark that they are just making observations and any negative feelings that result are just reflections of the reader's insecurities. I think it's unproductive for a number of reasons even if politically I sit on the same side of the fence. Mainly because calling someone or something "sexist" carries a distinctly moral tone as opposed to a simply evaluative one.

To get to the point: when you point at some specific developer, or some specific poster, and say that his or her work reflects a poor moral character, you had better damn well make sure you are going to give them a chance to respond. It would be helpful to approach the subject gingerly too. Because despite insurances from the ringleaders that they aren't doing it maliciously, passive-aggressive lectures tend to net aggressive-aggressive reactions, whether they are posted or not.

PS I want the Star belt for my Joan of Arkansas character. And if you ever call one of my female toons a prostitute, they will punch you in the face.

It already did. See above for two separate comments for my "misplaced sense of victimization." Unfortunately, business as usual for that poster. Politics are not the issue here at all--we actually agree politically. What I disagree with are methods.

Now people are being "victimized"? By what, a hemline? Is feminism now a debate about clothes?

Hate to do it, but after where the last debate about this ended up we might as well skip to the punch:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...pendableGender

See especially bullet points beginning in paragraph 4.

[At least it is good that this time this is being debated within a modern genre and not the fantasy one. I've occasionally seen outraged Civilization players angry that their armies aren't mixed-gender. Think on that one for a second.]

Side track: It's somewhat frustrating to me that every time Force Bubble or Detention Field does something useful, it's "fixed" to make it not work anymore.

No more so than most of what else has been written here. She wasn't the one posting in all caps after all, or equating the liberation of women gamers with the corset-jacket ratio.

I'm sorry, but extremely direct attacks being made on specific developers make me very uncomfortable. I don't think it's productive and I won't support it.

YMMV.

You could build a quasi-Blaster with Mag 6 hold and aggroless Mag 6 Confuse and built in perma-mezz protection and unkillable, taunting pets.

Illusion Dominators would be powerful as hell built by people who know what they are doing (that is, the same people who make them powerful as hell on a Controller). The only thing they lack is immobilizes to benefit from Domination, a questionable benefit at best. Other than those easily spammable powers they have more Controls that benefit from Domination than Ice or Electric Control do, since in all three cases only the AoE hold receives extra magnitude, and Illusion gets an extra single target power.

Illusion/Fire/Ice, or possible /Fire, would give Illusion/Cold a serious run for its money. I'm fairly sure if it wouldn't always win against AVs specifically, but the sheer DPS would be enough that it would shred lots of other things at a modest tradeoff. It probably wouldn't kill AVs as fast, but it would do it and be a lot better suited to other situations, particularly in the arena of AoE damage.

Going slightly off topic, but I would take CoH's costume system over locked assets and forced costume/stat linkage of other MMOs any day. Other games are able to have robes and other systems because all of the art assets are hard-linked together. I don't care about individually moveable fingers when every hand is poking out from the same set of 3 robes and 5 suits of armor.



If they could nuke every early zone and start over I'd support that. Hopefully Peregrine Island, Steel Canyon, Talos, and Brickstown are on that list.

Also EXTREMELY happy this isn't another Praetorian zone.