Obsidian_Force2

And I contend the second you start using Kheldian in the same sentence as support people begin slotting up that medicine pool. Taking slots away from what the natural bent of the AT IS, damage dealing.

Nearly each and every power in both Kheldian set either produces damage, improves damage, allows us to personaly survive longer (to do more damage), or stun/hold/imobalize an enemy so we can do more damage, THIS is our role like it or not.

As much as you all contend I'm a warmonger with my DPS beliefs, your desire to turn Kheldians into some sort of weird defendery support AT is just as well documented.

Leave the support roles to the Controllers and Defenders please.

Alright, this line of thinking baffles me beyond words.

In every single case where a scientific fact needs to be proven the researchers are never told "make me a video", they are told "show me the numbers".

If X is greater than Y then it is greater than Y on paper and in the living world, it does not ever magicly change because somebody see's it. Ever.

Ignoring the whole video can be doctored thing (not saying it is, was, or has been.) video proves nothing to anyone, it simply allows people to come to their own unscientific totaly biased and unprovable conclusions.

The total illogic of the "if I see it then it's proof to me" thinking drives me nuts because it remains unprovable one way or another, and to ignore or dissreguard hard scientific proof set in provable numbers is akin to saying dolphins do not exist because you have never seen one personaly. Your wrong, everyone knows your wrong but because we can't drag you to see the dolphins, you get to remain set in your belief they dont exist.

Seeing is not proof of anything that can be substantiated and numbers always prove more than unobjective unmeasurable eye-witness accounts.

But I don't wanna be bad cop. You always get to be good cop. It's not fair.

I appologize if this comes across as rude but this is the sort of post that I think makes WS players make poor build decisions.

In squid form with just 4 people in the mire not the 10 your looking at and just repeatedly spamming 1 of the aoe squid blasts and ignoring all other powers I would be looking at 92 points of damage per 2 seconds. You don't even want to know what the numbers change to if I use both aoe's up the mire to the same 10 as yours and add in a fulcrum shift.

The words rip tear and shred used to describe orbiting death is misleading in the extream.

I am sorry if this came across poorly, and I do appreciate your including numbers in your post that could be compaired. I truely do think using numbers in posts like this will help new and inexperienced Kheldians make informed choices in their build.

And just what makes you believe it isn't?

We serve only the souls of the fallen and only to they who help in the killing... I mean arresting...yeah...that..

Drinks? It's B.Y.O.B.

And I would dissagree because the powers in the set have already defined what our natural bent in. damage and the ability to take damage.

No, because you simply do not have enough controle powers in your sets to become any sort of reliable controller.

Yes you could because you have the powers needed to do this in your sets.

Yes because the AT provides for this.

And this is fine,but if I hand you a build that has your same level of survivability or better and more DPS you don't play it off as not a better build, you simply say your not interested in taking the time to get whats needed.

Actually there are tons of combinations as long as your willing to accept it will not perform as well as the 2-3 possibilities that will trump it. The fact there is only one choice of set means there is less possibility of variations not more as everyone likes to think with Kheldians.

This like everything else isn't a problem with the Kheldian AT it is a problem with the playerbase unwilling to do the work and research required. Could it be more easy to find? yes. could it be built in? sure. But this isn't the main Kheldian problem.

It's the "no,no, don't produce any numbers." attutude. Because once the numbers get out, once we do find the top couple builds for both WS and PB suddenly all these keitch builds will be widely known to be subpar.

Mine and my DPS bent could very well be one of them, I'm willing to risk being one of them who needs to rebuild or be concidered gimpy if we can find the best builds for this AT. And I can see no harm in finding that as it's better for the AT as a whole.

Once the couple two three best builds are found the Kheldian AT has the chance to see popularity because it wont just be "viable" or "playable" it will be as awesome as alot of the regen scrapper and fire/kin and all the other powerful builds we have already found for the AT's not just happy to be second string back up concept characters.