New Dawn

Both Tri Form Warshades and Tri Form Peacebringers have enough slots available to slot out attacks well enough, whilst having perma LF and Inner LF almost perma. However you might be trading between dps and flexibility.

Dwarf to direct npcs away from your team mates in trouble, basically tank. Also Break Free from mezzes.

Nova to survive and maintain damage versus some enemies in some cases where Human Form definitely won't.

In no way should Khelds compete at the same level with another ATs main role. Some weaknesses are by design, it's hardly worth pleading poor when other ATs share in same weaknesses. Warshades and Peacebringers are meant to need eachother at times. They're not meant to each be Jack with every tool in the box, just Jack of all Trades. An all Kheld team should be better mixed rather than of one type.

Atm people don't like the KB Peacebringers can do and many other things. Shape shifting isn't quick enough to people and toggles could stay on although be suppressed when doing so. Me personally I have little complaint.

To work out whats wrong with Peacebringers or Warshades I will have to compare them to VEATs rather than eachother. I will slap VEATs into excel sometime this week hopefully to compare but given their tree structure there are 5 themed outcomes and plenty more unthemed. Because the team buff the Kheld, the Kheld should perform better for the team but is it of equal value to what a VEAT (single) can bring? What VEATs can do for team mates essentially comes down to allowing them to get away with mistakes by cutting corners or being less tactless than they normally need to be.

However Kheldians are well pieced together, every power on offer adds a form of flexibility. Everyone can skip the same powers but then perhaps be limited from achieving certain goals that can be potentially achieved by design.

I personally don't give a toot whats in team, everyone should know their assets, using the assets of different people we can normally always come up with a suitable answer to deal with a problem. Every AT, through its powers can be put to use as a duct tape version of another AT. I would tank Ghost Widow using a SO'd Peacebringer as a defender with a SO'd Firetank, for me the tools are there and the answer is therefore simple.

All comments that are applicable to the OPs initial posts could be updated to the initial posts. All other comments are just padding. The OPs posts might continue to be updated unbiasedly therefore arguments and derails might waste Aetts time. I trust a Dev to look at something and take a 1 sec decision on it where necessary.

People don't always title the topic well enough. Also I would read half a line before finding out its not the AT I feel that I can really help with. Half the time you respond nothing is responded back and so ya never know if it was worth the time.

In AT sections people collect, they think up and share ideas, that's where people should read a title and immediately know which AT it is. Even if no one responds to the assistance, multiple viewpoints are there to absorb.

Yeah I name saved a character on Virtue and looked in Channel Search and there was a MM channel with 600 members just 8 online.

Is this gonna pick up with regularity? If so I'll be tempted to move my MM to Virtue.

I joined the Mastermind Channel, saved my characters name on Virtue in case I transfer and will monitor how much goes or doesnt go on.

I went with SR some may say suicide but bare in mind I can pretty much throw my SR scrapper at the game and so forth anyway so I am not thinking suicide at all. What I am worried about is the heightened eps that I am going to get from super charging TW, something with +end might be better but I will look to overcome end issues one way or another. Cups always half full.

On the single target strikes Dwarf or Human as a minimum for balance purposes I would keep the chances as they are and make them all Knock up.

Reasoning being that PBs are locked out of flight pool, Air Sup is basically what they're spreading by chance over single target attacks but with Kb. So just turn them all into Kup.

Any of the Flares aren't too team friendly being Kb, knocking mobs apart does nothing for peoples cone attacks mainly then debuff toggles then aoe attacks. This might be the main reason for speed run exclusion.

I am not one for massive changes as I do feel I see that PBs and WS are somewhere ballpark right.

It's lovely. Great for the quick n dirty

I don't know about anybody else but I am seeing way too many thoughts on improving Tankers when in reality they're not exactly the black sheep of the family.

1) Can Tankers serve their function?
2) Are they regularly played enough?
3) What the hell should 3 be?

I see performance disparities amongst the secondaries but really thats because things are balanced to the endurance bar and when end recovery is sufficient the only thing left to balance them to is time, and people see difference performance levels over time.

Proliferated sets brought to the Tanker role may still be in need of some adjustment.

Tankers may be better at their duty if undisputable aggro control through taunt control was potentially achievable.

But for me the Tanker is hardly the one-eyed, peg-legged, Captain Hook of all the ATs.

I swear there is just as much stupidity to my own builds as there is cleverness. People do like to do different things. What I may build is based on anticipation of rarely seen things whilst some people like to build based on something they do often like soloing an AV or a Rikti Pylon. There is no one build does all.....

Although using Two Headed Boys PB build which ya know he likes to keep private some small sacrifices can be made here and there to be not only good at its original intent but also be flexible to other intents.

I have 3 builds on me for purped up PBs using THB's initial build:

His initial build was great Human form, Dwarf to set mule, 45% def s/l and then perma LF and IL.

Iirc I sacrificed some AoE DPS for some control (Pulsar) and for some more Dwarf Tankiness and also to make the second build mirror his WS more. The damage sacrificed didn't take too much away from competing with the WS.

Then to make the third build I pinched some slots that could be got away with from sacrificing Pulsar to have a Nova what did good damage with min. 3 attacks from 120 ft away. Giving an Outranger.

That'll be 3 builds I can't post because the core of them is THBs ideas.

My build, what I play lacks in terms of DPS and defense for the sake of flexibility compared to THBs. I am not gonna purp a PB cos if anything I am more inclined to IO set other 50s (I have so many 50s I sell purps to IO set them all really). It was easier to work back from THBs and make some sacrifices to gain the same flexibilities as my PB but for two flexibilities I think.

So lets say there is this "State of the Art Build" that I might have it's "not the build I play" as there are no purps, its a modification of THBs as far as I can give you and without his permission to post it we are stuck on that note.

So just because I wouldn't play Redlynnes build doesn't mean I had a better one. If I do have an out and out good one then ya got to get THBs permission to see the core of it, or all 3 builds because that is what I would call nearer state of the art atm.

Debuffs won't add to the threat equation by much.

If a persons acquirable threat was assisted by their total hitpoints that might be good, but then Brutes might lose aggro to an autowin by Tankers.

In the bottom part you've lost the Dwarf forms on the Khelds.

But despite that I have very little problem with the way things are now.

I am an attention ***** on a tank, so really the only problem I have is with Brutes getting all the attention vs an AV because "they can" rather than because "they're preventing the team from being compromised" and a Tanker not necessarily able to do a thing about it.

I do trust the Devs a hell of a lot and as a player of all ATs I currently see things as rather fair. Different ATs can assume different roles but just simply ain't as reliable at a role that is another ATs main role. Mileages will vary.

I agree with Psylenz. If anything hitting with a weapon designed to bone break would slow momentum not build it. Hit or Miss momentum could be gained. If anything after certain attacks are used there could be a momentum reset, as those attacks do not flow into other attacks.