MrLiberty

Point acknowledged. People who do dumb things will struggle to make influence.

I'd get into the circular logic of it being "dumb/inefficient to list common/uncommon salvage" but really I think this has gone on long enough.

I just happened to do it on my tank which would always be running -20% res from brusing and brought along some Rad Defender and corrupter friends. I pretty much established his DPS (With his current build, reactive, Brusing, etc) to be around 305 DPS (Doing more than a few pylon runs on him) So that seemed pretty static to me. Then I started to add additional -res points by having friends sit there with Envenerating Field up. So technically the pylon would be going from -30% to -52.5% on the first run and from -30% to -60% on the second. Regardless it would seem adding another 22.5% or another 75% -resistance to the target you get close to half a percent DPS increase, per point of resistance debuff.

Reactive and Brusing were figured into the solo DPS run. Again this wasn't so much theory crafting as going out with real builds, providing real numbers to get some sort of idea where things would be at for -res' impact on DPS and what a damage capped scrapper could expect.

Slainsteel, what you neglected to account for were misses and activation times for Hasten/Active Defense/Server Lag (even with Arcana time), etc. So while in a perfect world the scrapper *could* put out as much as 375-412 DPS, on this run it only put out 326. It probably could have been a few points higher as I had to do a few quick alt tabs dual boxing the kin (In between animations), but not every player out there will perfectly chain the attack.... perfectly... every time. So your numbers are high and unrealistic.

I provided you with a real data sample, taken from the game where you play out these speed teams. And your response is "Well on Paper, it would work differently." Basically what would happen is if you took three of these purple'ed, fully IO'ed out DM/SD scraps and put them on a team, they'd do less DPS than two of the same scrappers and a fully IO'ed purpled out Fire/SS tank. It may not be universally beneficial to bring along a tank instead of a brute/scrap. But in *some* cases it is. Which brings us back to the point that instantly dismissing *every* tank from *every* situation is fundamentally wrong.

*Edit* This isn't about best case scenario, this isn't about nothing but theory and what works on paper. In game, the people you play with have certain builds and certain limitations. I might have a DM/SD scrap that puts out 326, someone else might have one that can hit 350, and another one that only breaks 300. Try out some real data for a change, rather than just what you can plug into a spread sheet without taking into account the human element... which... hey are the very things that happen to play these characters.

As I said before, I haven't flipped things in nearly 2 years because the need for more influence hasn't been there. I sell or store what I generate by playing, that is it. You can make a pile of money off selling recipes that drop, you can make even more if you take the time to invent them (and usually have some patience). Like you said there is a lot of different ways to make influence. I never said the way I mentioned was even the best, just a much much much better way than wasting market slots on selling common salvage for 100k. Unless you missed the reference I'm pretty sure you didn't make 6 billion influence by *only* selling common and uncommon salvage. If you did? I'll definitely say I was wrong.

Buying up all the salvage when it would appear that the price of the IO's has gone up over the past few days is the opposite of that.

You know as well as I do the Market Fluctuates. The IO's and salvage I took the time to look up and write down for you were at the high end of the last 5 sales at that time. Giving a quick look at Aegis and Reactive Armor it appears people have gotten wise and settled for a smaller profit margin (And listing the recipes higher, maybe figuring out how much they were worth). That didn't stop the potential from being there for high turn around. That doesn't change the fact that slot for slot on the market, you are better off not wasting it on Salvage if your goal is to make influence.

I'll say it again, if your goal is to make influence, its inefficient to waste market slots on buying/selling or just selling common and uncommon salvage. If I thought it'd have been worth the time, I'd have screen capped the last 5 sales when I posted them. Maybe next time.

And a completely different set of rules for GM's HP, Regen Rates, ED, GDN, etc etc. :P

You really are dense. I've done it more than you. I've done it for *years* more than you have. I hate to be the guy to call out reg dates, but really? I remember speed running eden when the only reward you got was that crappy hami knockoff that you couldn't even slot on a level 50. Back before IO's were even around, and people were amazed you could do a 3 hour trial in 10 minutes.

So yeah, take it from someone with much more experience speed running than you. You don't know what you are talking about and your biased towards AT's is unfounded.

FYI I think the funniest part is... using the 1 Kin, 3-5 debuffs 2-4 DPS (which may or may not include a tank) is pretty much what we used when we were trying for faster times against a group on justice. Congrats on figuring it out 2 years later though.

Not every bill on the money tree is going to be a hundred. Some are though, as I showed you. Every IO out there *Can* be turned around for profit though.... hence the expression. I'm not sure where you came up with a 300% profit margin being required. What I think happened is you tried to set up some unrealistic goal to prove a point, only to find out it wasn't unrealistic at all. And rather than say "Hey, you were right. You were a jack@ss about it, but you were right." You've instead tried to grasp at straws, making broader, more unrealistic conditions for what I said to be true.

If you do it intelligently with IO's that move fast, you might just be surprised. Though I imagine it'll take more than 24 hours for some of the IO's to turn over, just because that is the way it is.

Aegis Res 5 mil recpie + 2mil salvage 500k invention. Sale price 35 mil 300%+

Crushing Impact Acc/Dmg >200 K recipe Salvage 150K Invention 500k. Sells for 8 Million. 500%+

Decimation Dmg/End >500 K recipe, 2.1 Salvage 100k Invention Sells for 20mil. 425% +

Reactive Armor End/Res/Rech 8 Mil Recipe, 750K Salvage(Because people are dumb) 100k Invention cost. Sells for 50 Mil. 360% +

That should help start you off.

*Edit* Didn't show the 10% you lose to market fee's in listing, but had already figured it in.

Like it was mentioned in the post by tanstaafl, first there is nothing wrong with listing things that have current outstanding bids. If people can get some use out of it, I'll list it for them.

Then as for listing salvage for more than one influence, it suggests you are trying to "Make money" rather than just pass it along to someone who could use it at that moment. As others have mentioned its simply an inefficient way to go about doing it and your market slots would be better used for something with a much higher profit margin. What is worse is if you are just doing it as stuff drops, you aren't even filling 10 stacks meaning its *Much* worse for trying to make influence.

The funny thing being... Its probably been over a year and a half since I was into the buying/relisting/selling phase. I don't do it anymore because I don't need to. So my only interaction with the market is selling whatever drops and buying something when I need it. The principle still stands though, if you are listing salvage for 100k it suggest you are trying to make money. Annnnnnd you are going about it in a very inefficient way.

Like a dirt farmer in a world where money grows on trees.

So play how you like. If you like farming dirt? More power to you. Its your 15 bucks a month.

No, I'm pretty sure what I meant is if you list any piece of uncommon or common salvage. Low, Mid or High Tier for more than 1 influence. You are dumb and wasted a market slot on an item for a completely insignificant amount of influence.

Market slots would be better spent on IO's simply because you are looking at higher profit margins per slot. At best right now for salvage, selling stacks of 10 that you managed to buy for 1 influence and sell for 500K, the best you can get out of it 4.5 Million. (Most are in the 100 - 200k range) The number of IO's you can turn around for significantly more than that is staggering.

Pretty much this.

LG is nice if you don't have a server that runs Mothership raids for your gr'ai matter's, but outside of that ITF is better for shards vs. time invested.

Like others have said, Illusion excels at using other forms of distraction effectively in 99.9% of the game. For this .1% One *Phase* of one trial, it would have benefited you to invest in hard controls and location based powers. So the option is there, you just don't want to take it in favor of sticking with your build as is.

That is pretty much the same as saying "My Buff Bot Emp/Archery doesn't do enough damage solo. I took all the empathy powers, medicine, and snap shot. But I don't want to change my build."

The even sillier part is... your build does a fair amount of damage, and in the end I think every trial I've been on has used defeating the prisoners as the way to get past it. (I've seen a few try to use sleeps to clog the doors and keep things from spawning once a certain amount are there) So what is the big deal? You play more of a MM for this one phase of the trial, and try to do as much damage as possible as they try to escape.