Memphis_Bill

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Meh. Ill still run the trial for the badge, but theres a reason its the only TF i have yet to run. If all the other TF's of similar level produce greater rewards (as opposed to SO's), why shouldnt this one?

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What ever happened to running these things for *fun?*

Sheesh. Wonder how many of the folks doing "speed" runs or going for recipes can actually describe what the maps look like.

*points down*

Archetype discussion forums
PVP discussion forums

Both will be useful. Be sure to post your build.

Well... what are you looking for as far as wallpaper?

Snippets from screenshots? Artwork?

(IMHO, Photoshop's fun to "play" with. Heck fi I know what I'm doing half the time. It's usually "What does this filter do?" and "Hmm, how's this go...")

Though there's nothing wrong with asking here (IMHO), find one of the posts from Thors Assassin, and check out his sig. On his Deviantart site, he's got a pretty good listing of commissionable artists. I'd say poke around his list, see who matches the style you like, see what people say, and see their prices (which won't be listed here.)

Also, be sure - when you do decide on one or more artissts - to ask a few questions, and possibly contact some of the people they've done in the past. See how they work with you - I've had a couple that just took the screenshots of a character and, eventually, told me they had a piece done, while others almost spam (in a good way!) your email box with change approvals and such. Some will tend to get a piece done in a few days, others can take much longer (Graver, for instance, is awesome and highly recommended, great communication, works well with you, absolute joy to work with - but because of how he works and his queue, be prepared to wait. I tend to assume several months with him and his standard watercolors. Well worth it, but if you want a piece, say, in two weeks... )

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Okay, I know I got a bit side tracked on this part but I know there were a few of you out there who wanted the non-marked copies for your personal files and had sent that note through deviantart. Unfortunetly with V6.0 all my notices have been erased and I don't recall who had sent and who hadn't. I have a note through the forums from Darmodand for theirs, who else had wanted one?

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*raises hand*

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Going back to the /signed issue.
I think in this case the question of "Are we going to heavily moderate this"
The answer, probably not. If all you can think of or feel adds to the discussion is /signed, then it will probably be allowed.

The issue is if someone goes around to every idea in a section or across the boards and /signed on all of them. The question then becomes is it a genuine agreement or an non-constructive thread bump.

If it's a genuine agreement, it doesn't detract from the thread there is a good chance we are going to leave it alone. But if it looks like the behavior is prevalent, we may take steps. It all comes down to the constructive nature.

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Might I suggest codifying (or clarifying) this in the rules, then? Because I can <cajun cook>Geh-rawn-tee</cajun cook> that someone's going to get a bug up their butt about someone saying "Signed" to something (or /disagree.)

It has, after all, happened before, to the point of irrationality. (And yes, led to going /jranger, the response created as a tongue-in-cheek "/no" for the sake of trying to lighten up a specific thread with some humor.)

Something like "While the occasional use of short responses such as /signed or /unsigned without further comment is understandable, the continual use of them as your only reply can become disruptive and can lead to moderator action."

Yes, the wording needs some work, but it leaves some "wiggle room" for those "I want to show support, but everythign I could say has been said already and better" times, while explaining that if it's taken to the point of being spamming it will be seen as and treated as being disruptive.

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However, many things have been changed by a large number of replies, not so much the content to those replies. If Arcanaville (as an example) presents a well placed arguement for pack hunting velociraptors with super speed in a new jungle zone. Odds are there won't be a heck of a lot many others could contribute to the idea as presented, thus /signed shows support for the idea and indicates I don't have anything to add that's not already been said by the first dozen or so people on this thread, but ido want my voice to be heard.

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Our stance on this is if the time can be taken to type out /signed, then we believe a short sentence of "I agree with this because ..." could also be typed out. It shows agreement and why which is the important factor.

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And if the reasons have already been said? Wouldn't repeating be seen, frankly, as a bump?

For instance, the above idea is posted.
Response 1, "Ooh, yeah, it would fit in with my character concept perfectly."
Response 2, "Hey, that's interesting flavor."
Response 3... has a character it would fit in with and likes the theme of the zone, but has nothing more to add. Is their opinion any less valid? Or respondant 4-10, should they not reply because what they'd say would already have been said?

Is "Yes/no, though my reasons have been stated by another" a valid reply, or does it fall under bumping and/or "non-acceptable?"

Meanwhile, the idea gets pushed down because another "Hero MMs" idea, "Character full respec" idea and "Server merge" idea come up.

With the repeat non-feasable, bad, or otherwise previously shot down ideas that come up continually, are we going to have a page or more of stickies dealing with them, and/or with posts like the old cut-paste "Reasons why/not" some folks did, or links to them being in the scoop articles?

What will be done when they're posted again? Some people are going to see "See X post" as rude and unconstructive, after all, no matter how reasonably the disagreement is stated or what facts are behind it - I know since it happened and resulted (among other things) in S&I being moved down to "For fun."

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Keep in mind, if you wish to discuss these rules, this is the place to do it, as long as it is done in a constructive fashion. If you have concerns, please voice them. I've spent some time working on these, but alas, I lack total perfection in all things I do, and I appreciate the feedback. As for suggestions other people have mentioned, again, as long as you discuss the suggestion in a constructive fashion, it is permitted in this thread.


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OK. Then I'll warn you in advance, I'm not kidding about "How much will you be ramping up the mod staff" question, though that should probably be directed higher than you, possibly higher than Lighthouse. I've got a somewhat older example that I'm sure Billzbubba remembers, as well, when it comes to mod frustration, that reading these rules - well, leaves me shaking my head. It's not so much about the rules as their actual enforcement.

The situation I'm using as one example:

Person comes into the Kheld forums starting a thread specifically to (a) insult the people playing the AT, as well as the AT itself, and (b) start a fight. Now, this thread was reported. Yes, people were replying in it - and pointing out where the original poster was wrong in their information and assumptions - but the original poster went on in the same vein, to the point of going to the *brute* forums, starting a related (similarly insulting) thread, and being shot down there (the answer generally being "They're right, single target a brute will kill faster, but I can see them killing groups as a whole faster with their AOEs.")

*Multiple* posts were reported - I know, I reported some, and saw "The moderator has been notified" on most of the others.

The thread itself was bumped at least two weeks later, when someone asked if the original poster had come back with their proof of somethingorother. The thread had not been purged, had not been *touched,* despite a minimum of ten reports in just one thread on individual posts, and I'm *sure* PMs being sent.

Meanwhile, we know the mods were active, as pyramids were smacked and other, far less inflammatory posts were getting modded.

This isn't the only example, by *far.* The problem with trying to lay rules down is that there is no *consistency* historically here. Well, I should take that back, there is, but not in a good way - it generally goes this way:

- Forums go their own way for a while.
- Rules are brought up by a redname.
- Discussion of rules occurs.
- At some point, an "Are you SURE you want us to do this? We will" post comes from a redname.
- Mass bannings and suspensions occur, including to some of those who have said *reasonably* that they just want some consistency that's been lacking in the past.
- Forums die down for a bit. Some people leave.
- After two months, repeat step 1 for 4-8 months or so.

I really, truly wish I were kidding.

Look, when a thread is filled with "This post has already been reported" responses when trying TO report it, and it just goes on - even on weekdays - while far, far more benign posts get smacked, it's very discouraging.

What will be done to address *that?* (Besides throwing me on the list for suspension the next time they're done, that is.)

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Aquatic?

How about the Coral Crusader? Seaweed and all!

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That's just gorgeous. I want your video card!

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XFX GeForce 7900 GS XT - can get better ones under $100 these days.

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Does this mean you guys will get rid of the sections that encourage this type of behavior?

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This is actually a very good question. Will PWNZ and Forum Games be purged? Will threads posting off to NSFW content in the art forum be nuked?

Or will it be a case of "Continue as you were, but be more careful?"

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And is S&I on that list? (See also "Nerf X," "bumping," "prior ideas" and more.)

Also, is the "If it's below the 'For Fun' header, we don't moderate anywhere near as much" no longer true? Since it seems to be going that way.

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Well, I repsect your need to maintain order in the whirling chaos that might engulf us otherwise, I respectfully (and vehemently) disagree with the following:

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..."/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted.

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When the OP has made a clear, logical coherent statement of "whatever" /signed is not a bump, it is a means of demonstrating community support without wasting everyone's time by restating.

These forums *are* supposed to be a place to express our agreement/disagreement/wishes to the rest of the community and the development team. Brevity isn't bad.

Or said another way,

Where would we be if Marvel suppressed Stan Lee?

'nuff said....

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Very true.

Also re:bumping, we have been instructed in the past per a redname (think it was cuppa or cricket) that, prior to forum purges, we should indeed "bump" posts (such as the Mecha epic AT in S&I) that we don't want lost.

On another topic, how much will you be ramping up the mod staff? My concern on this can't be stated without breaking at least one, possibly two or three of the above forum rules. I can't actually expand that post to explain the question without running afoul of these.

And as for prior suggestions - well, wait, I can't actually discuss *that,* or discuss a way of helpign remedy that, without running into a few rules, as the suggestion has been suggested numerous times... frell.

No, I'm not being facetious (well, very.) Following these rules strictly, I can't voice the concerns the rules bring up. If I wanted to really feel technical, I'd say the discussion of the rules, despite being in a redname post, would themselves be a violation of the rules, as they're directly related to the guidelines for moderator action - and discussion of moderator actions (which not being spelled out would conceivably include future moderator actions) are against forum guidelines.

vonDrakkar by semaj007

So, this person was offering "cheap" commissions. I figured, what the heck. I hadn't had one done of my dragonkin, fire/storm 'troller, vonDrakkar.

Told him to pick whichever of the three outfits she has (human/armored, semi-dragonish, full on) he wanted to use.

I like how it turned out.

Aquatic?

How about the Coral Crusader? Seaweed and all!

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can i have my money back that i paid for cov then?? cause this is kinda a slap in the face for those of us that bought cov.

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As someone who bought the COV collector's edition at original prices, and has seperate editions for both games (twice,) let me just say:

/em slap

quitcherbitchin.

Somehow, he still looks surprised.

Top down view.

Trick or... trick.

More old herding. (INV scrapper.)

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I liked the one about the Fortunata.

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*this*

Though the Star Wars outtakes were amusing, too...

Just awful.

This is what happens when creativity goes AFK without telling me.

At least it's not Photobucket. How many times since the start of the year has their layout changed?

Since part of what you're doing this for is practice, I'm just going to say here.

Pretty much any character I have multiple views of. Look for one that has something you feel you need to work on, and have fun. Use 'em for practice, and if one comes out that you want to show off, go for it.

Maybe less worry that way about your "inconsistency" that you mentioned. Just consider 'em all models.

No artistic talent here (though if someone wants some stick figures...) and I'm certainly not on the queue, but this is great to see.

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Elitist? No. You get told you are getting an exclusive item, then they start giving it to others later on, that's a rather bad thing. If you get told you'll get a trophy for winning a race, win the race, get the trophey, then see everyone else get at trophy just like your trophey a few days later, it's going to be a let down.


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*bzzt,* sorry, play again.

The ONLY thing we've been told would never be given away free is anything that comes as a paid-extra or paid-for item. You did not pay extra for the preorder items, and, in fact, we were told to expect them to give away the helms "at some later date."

It's more along the lines of "You win this, you get to see the new shiny movie a few days before the official release in theaters" or (more fittingly) you pre-order, you get a three day head start. Complaining that others get the preorder items is, IMHO, like complaining that they let everyone else in the game that you got to play early.

Edit:

The only thing really "exclusive" about the helms was who had what helm. The Widow helm was exclusive to EBGames - you couldn't get it from Best Buy. The nice thing about the vet reward is that you'll be able to get *all the other ones* too now instead of having to pick and choose.

I'll be playing Friday, working Saturday and Sunday - though my SG tends to run TFs on Sunday.

I forsee at least one more character hitting the 40s though.

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Well this is a nice plus for all those that didn't pre-order either CoH or CoV however I will now think twice about any pre-ordering incentives given in the future. I mean what is the point of ordering early just to have your bonus taken away at a future date?

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Three things:

1. It wasn't taken away from you or me. I, at under four years, STILL get two (Widow halm and ... what's the other, crab, for male characters) at level 1.

2. Prestige Sprints.

3. We were told when the COV helmets were announced as pre-order bonuses *flat out* that they'd very likely be offering all four at some point in the future. The only question in the last two and ha half, nearly 3 years has been "When are they going to do it?"

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Oh I wouldn't get to cozy with those nice Vet powers either as it seems they are Temporary Powers anyway. I imagine they will go sometime in the future as most TEMPS do.

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Yeah, my Nem staff/blackwand and Sands/Axe have gone away so fast... no really, they have... any day now, I'm sure... sometime...

Or, y'know, you could READ the reward, "Choose an additional power from the 12 or 24 month," which THEMSELVES mention "A PERMANENT VERSION of" these powers.

I will say I'm rather "eh" about that one, though. That does seem like they were sitting around saying "Um... ok, what can we give them now?" Other temps would've been nice.

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Version 5:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...illboard_5.png

Opinions? Did anyone want to do do an Billboard for the Scoop?

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Find someone to do a quick demo, and see if they can capture a model of Statesman and Recluse doing /em newspaper to put on this.

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Now there's a thought... Videographers are automatically immune in PvP zones! Or intangible... we can't hit them, they can't hit us. We are the Switzerlands of the PvP zones.


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Oh...

Don't say that.

You'll *never* get rid of people trying to attack you, trying to put holes in you, claiming you should resemble swiss cheese...