Memphis_Bill

... assuming (a) you have a contact in zone, (b) that contact will SELL to you right then (TF/SF/Ouro,) (c) you have a base with a hospital AND autodoc...

You're making a lot of assumptions there. And as far as not needed... neither is a base, with rez ring and insp dispenser (which starts out with JUST CABs and health) so...

The OP's request was one of convenience. Nothing wrong with that. (And again - some of those same contacts are direclty IN or By a hospital, as I listed.)

Ahh... BUT:
1. The tanker will have Gauntlet going with every hit.
2. The tanker will have a taunt aura, most likely, also increasing aggro on him,
3. The tanker may have Taunt itself (which I find great for that situation, personally - separate groups by taunting and breaking LOS as opposed to rushing in.)

The aggro the Tanker's generating just by doing what he does naturally should be enough to keep attention on him 'til he hits the aggro cap (and beyind, really,) despite the bit of stealth from CoD. Stealth is not an "aggro eraser." Placate (and Superspeed - look at your combat attributes, you'll see your threat level going down with it on) are, really. So even if they do turn to attack the squishies, it's not going to be the whole group - and they'll likely only get a shot off before turning back to you. (Barring blasters nukingthe spawn... in which case, who cares what the mobs are angry about, they've now got a mouthful of dirt. )

Plus, of course, if the tank's worried about it - now that he has the spawn further away from the other - he can turn off COD. I personally tend to find my DA tank more of a toggle managing playstyle than other tanks. I'm switching between COF, OG and the like frequently.

Mix the two.

Never stopped the Dragonball crowd.

"AaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA-
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA(continue for 30 years before getting an attack in)"*Boom!* *miss* *repeat scream for next 10 episodes*

I dont' know about that. Yeah, the O-portal's handy - but so's having one-stop-shopping in the base (plus some crafting,) then being able to go wherever. Of course, it's easy to do with four porters redside. Blueside, it takes a bit more.

Nope.

Then again, I don't demand everyoen drop everything RIGHT NOW and team with me.
Won't find me teaming there, either. Then again, that's because I don't play WoW.
Be someone people want to team with? Don't be a demanding, selfish, ignorant git? Don't get worked up because someone else has kids to take care of, work to concentrate on, might be working on a base or costumes, or just doesn't want to team with anyone (OR specifically YOU) right this second?

"I don't like doing it, so it's meaningless!" See prior comment.

I have the ultimate trump card if the devs ever became drooling idiots and put something like this in - *I can cancel my subscription.* As can everyone else.

In which case... you STILL won't have a team.

I have a solution for you. Go play guild wars. You can buy NPC "teammates" any time you want.

Edit:
Alternately, accept this package.
$2500/week to me, post taxes (paid by you) so I can quit my job.
Full medical and dental included.
Internet access included.
Separate COH account, paid for by you, with all slots on the server of your choice unlocked.
New system, every year, your expense (business expense.)
Minimum 5 year term, even if COH shuts down its servers tomorrow.

That would still net you only 16 hours/day (since I need to sleep, eat, etc.) but, within reason, I'd guarantee availability. Of course, either you'd have to pay more over holidays (as I'd be giving up family time to sit and wait for you,) vacations (I'd be missing a reunion and a wedding, at the very least,) and more. Don't forget there'd have to be sick time and such as well which, of course, would mean I wouldn't be available anyway.

Feel like paying up? No? Then don't demand I drop everything to team with your whiny butt.

Well, that's why :P (I know what you mean,t hough.)

I would be curious to know over time if this makes a difference. After all, new characters are still going to have email on, new accounts are, etc. I think it needs to be a loading tip, among other things. ("Getting email spam? Go into options and set email to "Friends and Supergroup Only Enabled" - or turn it off completely!")

Hey, I got it pretty much the way I wanted it. (I still want to be able to mark a few as "saved" no matter what.) Disable completely, let it allow only friends/sg through - not as granular as I'd like, but much improved.

My only "against" was against "removing the system entirely."

Heh. True.

That said, there's a "base stuff" thread somewhere, I believe.

My biggest gripe - *give me more stuff (or, blueside, *anything at all*) to do with the SG Computer.* Seriously. Great SG content potential... that does nothing.

I keep forgetting which server my bots/traps is ON. >.< (170-some characters. It happens.)

Very true.

... have I mentioned hating Demolitionists. >.<

/nitpick

Stealth *can't* fully replace the move. It doesn't provide immobilization protection or +perception. In order to do that, you need to pick *four* powers - Stealth (or a temp stealth,) Combat Jumping, a prereq in leadership, then Tactics. (Alternately, an IO for perception - don't know the #s to compare, though. The Stealth IO isnt' comparable, IIRC.)

Now, for me, I prefer Leaping on my tanks in general, so I have CJ - which eliminates one consideration for the toggle for me. The stealth can come in handy, perhaps - but I can pick up the patrol power from a PVP zone, if I want, as well. The +Perception, honestly, is part of what has me looking at it when I do. That *is* useful to me. (Ghosts, KoA, Night widows, etc.) It doesn't make it a "Pick up ASAP" power for me, no - but it is useful.

True.
False.

Kheldians using forms MAY FIND they prefer using tray swapping keybinds. Many do. Others may choose to have powers arranged in different fashions - I could probably fit the various form powers on so they're always visible, but I don't, or use a combination of macros, or some other mechanic. Therefore, Khelds do NOT lose performance when not using tray swapping keybinds.

Example: I could, completely ignoring the tray swapping, assign numpad 7-8-9-5 (an inverted T) to my Nova attacks, shift-click for my Dwarf teleport, and use 1-2-3-4-6 for my Dwarf attacks, heal, and taunt. No tray swapping needed. Is my Kheld now less powerful? I'm not using tray swapping keybinds. Have I lost DPS? Have I lost resistance? Are my attacks slower?

ALso, human only Kheldians have no use for tray swapping keybinds.

Last, I have non-Kheld characters who can use "tray swapping keybinds" as well - such as to easily move my buffs versus my attacks within easy reach, depending on teaming situation (which do I want immediate, number key access to?) Doing so on my Controller or Defender makes them benefit from tray swapping keybinds.
I'm assuming you mean "Players of other ATs" by that. Otherwise you've contradicted yourself. Besides, look at the prior reply, with tray-swapping for team buff vs offense - wouldn't having to click or use a modifier (not using a keybind) be slower (and thus "weaker") than swapping out the tray via a bind?

... assuming the WS has enough enemies to work its buffs on. Don't forget that point. And this is brought up in the Kheld forums many times. "Higher highs, lower lows" versus "always reliable, always the same."

And no, that's not bad design. That's *different.*

You find playing one without keybinds annoying. Congrats. That's your opinion. I'm not arguing against opinion, so I skipped it. I AM arguing against opinion stated as facts. And how does humanform need keybinds again? How do you know bi-formers play with keybinds? You're making assumptions.

Prove it. Prove it's not an overall bug that happens to show up more frequently with Kheldians. Prove that it's the design of the kheldians themselves causing the bug, not something else.

I know as well as you do that it's a silly request. Holding that bug as a point against the AT - when I haven't seen it on mine very frequently at all (and running a newly Nova'd 'shade, I've been switching a lot lately,) when it's not something you can "rely" on happening even once per play session - is just as ridiculous.

I agree, bugs are annoying. What does that have to do with the AT? Masterminds, when introduced, could do NO damage to players via their pets in PVP. That was annoying. That was also a bug. Neither that nor what you describe are part of the (respective) AT design. Holding that against them is, frankly, not fair in the least.

If the VEAT toggles got hit with a bug today that, say, debuffed the team instead of buffing them, oh, one out of every ten times, would you hold that against the AT as bad design, or would you put that down as a bug that needs to get fixed? If you wouldn't hold that against the VEATs, don't hold "My powers that should be available no longer are when I switch" - a bug - against Khelds.

Been trying that since Issue 3. Hell, issue 0 for some.

Then Khelds are a good design.

"Being the most numerically effective" isn't "fun" for everyone. If it were, everyone'd be playing fire/kins farming demon maps or whatnot - yet I have fun with my numerically-much-worse, slower-killing Earth/FF.

See, you're putting your opinion ("klunky, poorly thought out") there as a fact. It plays *differently.* That's a fact. "Klunky" is not. "Klunky" is an *opinion.* Someone who's stressing numbers, well... show me the formula for "klunky."

... that unlike the others, pre-VEAT, were:
- Forced to a specific origin
- Given a specific foe that HUNTS them
- had a separate storyline written SPECIFICALLY for them.

Thus, "epic" in the "story" definition. They are there because of the Kheldian war. The ability to form-shift is explained via the storyline. Blasters arent' there because of anything specific. Nor are tanks, brutes, etc. There's no "Mastermind storyline." I cannot write one of these for Defenders. Yes, there's an overall COV storyline that's not AT specific. Yes, there are various COH storylines - that arent' specific to anyone. But Khelds got one *in addition,* tied *specifically* to what they are.
Nobody CLAIMS it's great literature. Yet they ARE tied to that story - thus, that definition of epic. Again, just because you may not care for them, doesn't mean you get to ignore that definition - the very one handed down to us by the devs. The ones who CHOSE the "tied to a storyline" (note "tied to" as opposed to "This is the best story ever written,") over the "more powerful by a large margin than anything else" definition.
Hell, VEATs get the same thing and I *certainly* don't claim THAT's good ... yet they're also given the title "epic," and have their own, separate storyline and unique starting contact in addition to the rest of the game. I'd say that, as well, trumps the "don't give me the storyline" argument. VEATs also, by *that* definition and not power or what have you, fall under "epic." They're forced to one origin, forced to fit a certain look in their first costume because of their storyline, and are given a separate storyline and unique set of contacts unavailable by any means to the normal ATs to go through their separate story. The one they're tied to - that makes them fall under the "Epic AT" definition we were handed before.

For the overall package? Or just looking at DPS or something else? Just how picky will you be? Are you taking into consideration that (for example) while you're fighting something with your Warshade, even in Nova, that while you're doing X damage, you're *taking* less because everything you hit is slowed and not recharging as fast? Or is that not entering into this equation? Or that a Peacebringer is dropping their defense, making it easier to hit them each subsequent time? Hell, BZB, you're telling me that *staying alive,* gaining resistance, more HP, beign able to ignore immobs (by getting inherent teleport) AND getting a self heal - IE, Dwarf form - is less efficient than... faceplanting. I don't find laying in the dirt to provide very high DPS.

Hell, I *think* it was you I had the argument with via EnA brutes (if not - well, it's been a while) along the same lines, where I mentioned taking the brute *as a whole* into consideration. That my primary (EM) and its stuns were part of how I would offset any "holes" with EnA. I'm seeing the same thing with Fire - SS, to me, pairs far better with the set than Energy does. But how often does that come into "Play X tank" discussions?

/this.

People "swear by" (often) Stone tanks. I have yet to get one past the early 20s. Yet I love my "squishy" Fire and Dark tanks. Completely different style of tanking needed. I can't stand Scrappers - getting one to 50 was a chore to me in my "one of everything to 50" quest - yet - or precisely because - they're suggested to new people to try out because they're "safe and give lots of room to make mistakes." I don't enjoy my Widow or Bane, still giving the Crab a chance because it's a vastly different playstyle (lack of stealth, seems like more range, etc.) but so far, I don't enjoy VEATs - while I love HEATs (and wish Voids hadn't been nerfed) because of their wide flexibility.

None of them get IO'd out. Though it feels like the VEATs (so far) are designed with "Use IOs to cover these" in mind. Admittedly they're designed from scratch with IOs in the game. But that's another part I *don't enjoy.* Similarly, I love my Doms, I have no interest in perma-doms (and didn't even pre-dom buff.) I don't find the "IO everything to softcaps" enjoyable. Some do, great for them.