Memphis_Bill

Lam, somewhat. BAF, I wouldn't really agree with - its design doesn't lend itself to "Out and reset before we do anything else." It's got distinct stages to it (and the rewards along the way) that keep you there, as opposed to "All that's worth only 1% afterward."

It was really just easy and fast to repeatedly run - but people repeatedly ran the whole thing. Which, for something that needed grinding through, shows better design (to me.)

And as I look at that window, I see no LFG tab (pre issue 20,) but a dual pistols character. (Issue 18.)

Now, if this is YOURS, you've been around long enough to, oh, *ASK* how to deal with these if you don't remember. You've got a ranged character. A tray with enough spots where enough purples to zip through an encounter wouldn't be an issue, even with the rest of the mission. Being ranged, you wouldn't need many.

You've been around long enough that you would have seen before how to deal with a cyst. In fact, asking for a tank (something ELSE getting right in melee) would possibly be a bad idea - but I don't see you mentioning a single thing about that in chat, just how to take a screenshot to "prove" how bad these are and reinforce your "OMG these are evil I hate khelds." Deliberately? I doubt it. But quite honestly I think you've gotten to the point where seeing one just short circuits any logic, any "this is how we can deal with it" in favor of "oh, god, cyst, we're all going to die multiple times."

Which, to me, is reinforced by the fact your reaction is not saying "OK, bad first attempt, we need to do this when we get back," which I'd expect from an experienced vet, but "I need to get a screenshot for the forums!"

Now, can they be placed badly? Sure. Anything can. You can have an AV right at the corner that one (well, two) shots a squishy before it can do anything as well.

Here:
- Tell people to grab purples on the way back.
- Keep people back.
- Pull the Tuatha out of the way, especially the lt/boss so his quicksand doesn't gut defense. Ignore the nictus - pull them back far enough and they die out anyway.
- If the Kheld's a triform or human, send him in (with purples.) Especially with dwarf. Either way he's going to have resists to the attacks. *A* tank, brute, or scrapper goes in - limiting what spawns. Everyone ranged is *at* range. Not within range, *at.*
- They ignore the nictus, concentrating on the cyst. You've got a snipe - anyone else with one can help out. Cyst should go down quickly.
- Either ignore or rain/AOE on the Nictus to clear them out - who, again, will by dying off without the cyst anyway.

All of which I'm sure you'll promptly not do next time you see a cyst.

Options:
1. See what the people who don't find whatever you're having problems with a problem, and compare to what you're doing. Adjust accordingly.

2. Whine.


Admittedly the second option is the easier one, but it doesn't really get you anywhere.

Were they caught in a Sting?



... you can just hear him going "That was awful."

Not really.
How about mine, on SOs, that can pretty well shrug them off? By the way, energy resistance is built in, and you can get more in human form via a shield.

No such thing as Quantum Energy. And as you read, the Nictus energy (unresistable) is removed.

So don't faceroll on the keyboard. What's the difference between getting "zapped" like that and, getting hit by anything else? By the way, you don't mention how there's only ONE of these per group - or rather, a *chance of* one fo them, and they're fairly rare (versus, say, War Wolf packs or Council vampyri packs that every squishy faces with stacked mezzes that are death on squishies. What's that? Pack a breakfree or three? Hmmm....)

So if they're manageable, why are you complaining?
The "work, effort and luck" you mention = "Don't just rush in blindly." Which is frankly good advice for ANY player on ANY AT. And you're given plenty of tools to deal with them:
- Built in Energy/Negative Energy resistance, with more available via shield. And then there's dwarf.
- Knockback/down. (Nova detonation, Dwarf attacks - which, with teleport, means you get first strike.)
- Holds (Incandescent Strike and Gravity Well) and other controls (Pulsar, knockback, Inky Aspect.)
- As a warshade, TP Foe.

What are you doign with Night Ward? Are you facing enemies that you have to learn the capabilities of that you don't know yet, and are you learning to deal with them or are you coming to the board complaining? Guess what. A kheld does the exact same thing with Quantums and Voids. "Oh, that shot me and it hurt, how do I find that again? OK, this is how I deal with it successfully."

/this.

Honestly, just have it start filling in from DA once you have the bottom slots unlocked. I don't understand what the problem is with that.

I've taken one character on a Mag trial - my Elec/Elec blaster. One full run, 20%. OK, cool. Then "Hey, I've heard people are farming this - just do the kill 250 and reset." Result? Two runs like that, giving... 19% each.

That is *off.* That is really bad. No wonder people are farming it. 19% and reset in a few short minutes minus... 20%, four AV fights, the end Tyrant fight? All that's only worth 1% (and some salvage?)

The reward for finishing should be more than that. Yet I think we'll find the devs will lower the iXP for the first section instead... somehow.

I'm wondering, though, if they think it's OK because it's "just" Hybrid at this point - since you need Lore and Destiny unlocked to even run it. (Hint: It's not. That's broken.)

Well, that and voids.

However, I don't see this as all that odd for a few reasons:
1. I have several (non Kheldian) aliens around. I mean, we're looking at a world where some peoples powers could make them quite alien, despite being born human. I have people turned different colors from experiments gone wrong, mutations, etc. I have *actual* aliens on the roster.

Even ignoring player characters, nothing's really said about non-Rikti aliens or extradimensional creatures. They're just sort of accepted as being there.

2. While the invasion might cause some eyebrows to raise - the Rikti invasion was overt. They suddenly showed up and started bombing stuff. In the Kheldian story, there's also an invasion - the Nictus - but it's much more subtle. They're behind the scenes working with the Council. They're not in the limelight with pretty much any of their schemes - were it not for the Peacebringers and Warshades, the rest of the world wouldn't know about them until they tried to take over after subverting their leaders.

So I don't see it as all that odd Khelds aren't "noticed" lore-wise.

The funny thing about you mentioning that?

You can disable the cover bar in SWTOR. Always have been able to - it was one of the first things I did. (Meanwhile, it seemed my friends and I would say "I wish they had X like COH" pretty much any time we logged in...)

Judgement:
No real END hit
Fairly quick recharge
Max targets: 16-40
Range: For non PBAOE, 80-120 feet (though some don't list a range - Ion, for instance, has range, but it just gives a radius.)

Nuke:
END crash in many cases.
Longer recharge.
Max targets: 16
Range, typically 60 feet, 90 for Rain of Arrows, for the non PBAOE

If you want a specific example, I've got a level 50 Elec/Elec blaster with both Thunderous Blast slotted and Ion Total Core judgement. Comparing the two:

TB: 2acc/3dam/1endmod
Average damage, 525.42, base 265.80
3.70s activation,
4m8s recharge, base 6m
60 foot range,
25 foot radius,
16 targets max.

Ion Core:
Average, 1841.94
Activation: 2.5s
Recharge: 1m30s
END cost: 20
Acc: 2.0
Range: 80ft
Targets:31

*Base* Ion Judgement:
Damage, 1713.44
Recharge: 1m30s
END: 20
Range: 80ft
Targets: 16


If anyone's nuke should be at least equal to a *base* Judgement, it's a blaster's. It's their primary. They're the ones giving up buffs or defense/resists for a damage secondary. The only real advantage a powerset nuke has is that it's available from 32 (blaster/corruptor) or 38 (defender) on. Meanwhile, *every* AT gets Judgement.

Unless they're deafened ahead of time.

And you're not crippling yourself not using Nova. Human form is a viable build, it's not seen as "weak" or "unusual" like, say, a petless mastermind would be. In fact, it's a fairly standard build.

Like I said, not arguing the second.

As far as guides? Someone reads, learns to do it, tells others inside the game. Yeah, there should be more info in the game itself - that's always been a problem with COH (how long did the "Help" files go wihout updating, say, the level charts in there?) but it's a way to start getting the info out.

... and that the collision itself will take 2 billion years.

I mean, talk about "bullet time."

I have to ask - why exactly do you feel Khelds don't allow for your concept, backstory, etc?

Genuinely curious here. Do you feel you *have* to go along with the Kheldian War storyline? Where even if you ignore it you "feel" like it's still there pushing you? (Kind of like some badgers tell me they "have" to get a badge, even if it's from doing something they don't like.)

Is it that you feel you have to take Nova/Dwarf?

Is it that you can't color the powers at this time? (Which may seem minor, but I get it for people not liking not having that customization.)

Is it the set powersets? (That is, unlike a Scrapper that can be one of several types of Scrappers, a Kheld is going to have a fixed set of powers to choose from.)

Just curious.


(And yes, I know I'm responding to practically every post, but it's a discussion about two of my favourite ATs, so I do actually want to know these things. Don't assume I'm saying "you're wrong" if I'm asking things like this - I'm not.)

This is true.




Bleh. I don't know. *shrug* It does need fixing.

Except Nova is not a core ability of a Peacebringer or Warshade. Unlike your other two examples, you are not crippling yourself by not using it. It is an *optional* power. (And arguably a Stalker can get away without using hide with the current changes, though I wouldn't recommend it.) Human-form Khelds are completely viable - not viable as in "playable with a lot of work" like, oh, a petless Mastermind or an all-power-pool build. I mean a complete, perfectly normal and effective build and playstyle.

Nova is purely a build option that leads to the AT playing a bit differently. As you yourself say, you don't play them. So your experience and perception on this are, honestly, off. (Not saying that to put you down, to be clear, just pointing out that you're seeing it completely from the outside by your own admission and getting the wrong idea.)

The only time I'd say a build is potentially weakened is if a Warshade doesn't take Dwarf, and that's purely from missing out on another Mire. Even then, though, I wouldn't call it a "core" ability.

*points down to sig*

Go to guides, "mini guide to combat attributes monitor."

Regardless of AT, I tend to have a small window with at least the following:
Current HP
Experience to next level (pre-50)
Influence/Infamy
Level shift


Doesn't take much space at all. Even less if you don't care about the other stuff.

I'm not saying having it permanently visible elsewhere would be a bad thing, but you don't HAVE to have the big window up.

That is not what I said. Please re-read.

I have never said I haven't had a team wipe from a cyst. (Though I haven't in quite some time, honestly.) It would be rather silly of me to do so when I have a screenshot I'd posted some time ago here of one that gave trouble. (Which is also one of the last times I remember it happening. If you look at the filename, it's from 2006.) It'd be rather silly of me to say something ("I've never had a cyst wipe a team," which is what it sounds like you're saying I said) that I myself have provided proof against, now, wouldn't it? (And please don't count the *exploding* cysts in Cim as "cysts causing a team wipe," as that has nothing to do with Khelds, only squishies standing next to things that explode.)

If you'll re-read, I said I haven't had a Kheld rejected for teaming (or kicked) because of them, or been on a team on another AT that had that happen, ever. Or heard someone mentioning it in chat. And that *is* true.

Yeah, but to be blunt, it read that way to me, too. And I have nothing against you or reason to think you otherwise disliked Steelclaw or his lists.