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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood

I disagree with this, oh sure it would mean a buyer would pay my listing price as opposed to my listing price rounded to the nearest convenient round number but that isn't how I (or most marketeers) make money anyway. The fundamental issue causing a lack of price knowledge among players is not an inability to see the exact current prices, it's an inability to see what prices were when they were not around (i.e. what were the highs and lows over the last 24hours/7days). Showing the exact current price helps the BUY IT NAO buyer save a bit of inf but that's peanuts compared to what they could save with a 24hour bid, and exact pricing doesn't show them that.

Originally Posted by mauk2

Bingo.

In many ways, the pure flippers are supported by the farmers, and it's all driven by inflationary pressures. If/when they decide to drain the money out of the system, there are going to be some major shocks indeed.

(grabs popcorn)

I can't wait! Change is fun!

Originally Posted by DSorrow

I did mean AoE damage specifically because Illusionists generally don't have access to multiple AoE attacks. Two long recharge AoE attacks hardly cause enough AoE damage that containment would make it spectacularily better. Sure, on a relative scale it's double the damage, but I don't really notice the difference in AoE damage between my Ice/Rad/Psi and Illu/Therm/Psi.

Originally Posted by Scin_Device

i use flash. Although I haven't tried +4x8 I doubt I could take them down in 8 seconds. My containment is in no way as good as some but combined with the slows of sleet and my epic choice of cold and with the use of spectral terror I've never had a problem with containment. Usually I just cast both my rains and flash and phantom army takes care of everything.

Originally Posted by Scin_Device

im very good against large groups and have no problem with containment.. i regularly play at +2x8

Originally Posted by vernichterhelge

don't forget that the proc has its own downtime when it fires (5 sec after the +rech ends)

Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex

Heat Loss is an excellent and unique power. I don't think anyone questions that. However, Fulcrum Shift, Speed Boost, and Accelerate Metabolism are also excellent and unique powers. Which one is the "best" depends entirely on what situation we're measuring them in.

The current ascendancy of Illusion/Cold as a build is based almost entirely on its solo performance against single hard targets. The build was practically unheard of until an Ill/Cold player charted at the top for DPS in the pylon soloing contest. Prior to that word on the street was the "best" combo was Illusion/Rad. The main justification for this claim? Its solo performance against single hard targets.

Solo against a single hard target, in most situations, Ill/Cold IS better than Ill/Rad. But soloing single hard targets was never the only thing Ill/Rad was good at. It's also not the only thing Ill/Cold is good at. That's all okay because soloing a single hard target was never accurate measurement of the performance of any set. Illusion Control is extremely powerful. Anything you pair it with is going to result in a very strong character. Anyone who tells you not to play it with a certain secondary because it is the "best" should be required to qualify that statement with "...in situation X Y or Z."

Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex

Hmm actually you're right. Heat Loss actually seems to have a target cap of 10 for the debuff portion. Better than I thought. It was never in question about whether the power was "good" though.

Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex

Heat Loss has a target cap of 3.

Originally Posted by Veslin

So, I hear most MMs complaining that they don't like how their ranged pets are now running into melee, and I have to say, it seems like the 'rangers' now just have to deal with the same problems Ninjas/ and Necromancy/ have always had.
People have always complained that the Ninjas and Zombies were squishy. It's probably the main reason they are the most rare types of masterminds (I still see more Mercs than these two). Well, now that the other pets are starting to run into melee as well, it's been discovered that all pets are squishy, but the ranged ones just stayed out of the thick of things.
In my opinion, this now levels the playing field for all masterminds. Melee pets already have a disadvantage- they are single target. Under the old AI, they also died faster. They did not have any extra protection to mitigate the fact that they were melee, they didn't do more damage than other sets, there was no trade off for this propensity to die more often because they were closer to the enemy. So it was a double penalty for them, Single target AND they died faster.
Now, all pets at least have similar survivability. Instead of only Zombie and Ninja users having to resummon all the time, now all masterminds have to do so.
On a closing note, pets that do not have melee attacks (IE Phantasm) running into melee, I agree is rediculous. But minions all having similar lifespans because they all die to AOE melee attacks, that just seems fair to me.

Originally Posted by Aquila_NA

Fire/Kins are finding it slower to demolish maps now because of the "newish" mob-wander phenomenon. When the spawns spread out we get lower FS and our AoEs have a harder time hitting everyone. Additionally, Imps seem to love the outlying Lts a bit overmuch making them vulnerable on the periphery. The new difficulty system is now also adding bosses that we used to be able to avoid by padding to 6 on Invincible. Bosses=Slower. Mapping the instance is also rendered all but useless by the aforementioned spawn-spread. As soon as you come near enough to a spawn point the mob spawns (purpose of mapping) but now as soon as they're spawned they start spreading out, making it a real pain.

Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex

Seeds of Confusion is a great (read: overpowered to the point of deserving a nerf) power. However it really doesn't compare to Mass Confusion. It's more comparable to powers like Stalagmites and Flashfire than anything in Mind Control.

Originally Posted by Peacemoon

Can't mention Mass Confusion without someone mentioning those Seed's

Don't really want to turn this thread into an argument about it since its been done many times before. All I will say is I have tried both powers and I prefer the way Mass Confusion works. It is an 80ft range, No aggro AoE, compared to a 50ft range cone that does cause aggro. So just by definition, Seeds can't do everything that Mass Confusion can do, but it does do a good job in trying. Honestly, my theory is back when the set was being created some dev copy & pasted the default confuse duration, which is 37.3s, into the power without any thought into the fact its a cone with a 60s recharge. "Just use the numbers that were used before." This is even more amusing if you recall all AoE holds had their durations halved back at the beginning, but Mass Confuse escaped that fate which set the bar even higher. Anyway both sets play completely differently and with different mindsets. Mind Control is much more subtle and methodical in its playstyle and with great depth for a skilled player to really explore its intricacies; plant control in comparison is very bland I found and something I quickly got bored of.

Originally Posted by Peacemoon

As for contagious confusion, it is an awesome proc but I prefer it in Mass Confusion. Why? Because when used on big groups, it turns it into a 100% chance to hit and with a 100% chance to confuse all bosses and also allows it to effectively confuse much more then the standard 16 targets. Plus the epic set offers great accuarcy, recharge and confuse duration which Mass Confuse really benefits from. Honestly the set makes Mass Confuse easily the best AoE control in the game. ST Confuse however has pretty decent stats as base and I don't think it needs such extreme slotting, but this is only my opinion, ymmv of course ;-)

Originally Posted by rsclark

But what if I'm not a doctor?

Originally Posted by Frosticus

I'll give you three clues because I'm not really in the mood to be overly nice anymore. I also believe people that take the time to actually learn something have a greater understanding of it than those that are just told the information

1. Once you understand the mechanics of benumb it will invariably mean you understand more of the game and will cease saying things like:

2. You don't seem to understand the mechanics of -res and quite possibly the mechanics of +dam based on this statement:

3. You need to do more research if you think controller sleet should been scaled down to 22.5%. I'd suggest seeking the source of cold, then comparing it to storm, for a greater understanding.


All this information is readily available if you log in your /rad controller and/or your /cold controller. My hope is you aren't speaking from a position of authority without having actual first hand knowledge of these sets. At the very least you can just go to the character creator and see the information. Additionally Mid's has all the info, it helps to know how to access the various summoned pets, but isn't vital. So whether you take responsibility for fact checking, or pin it on someone else that doesn't exist, is not really my problem. But it is a bit frustrating when you make statements that aren't based on the actual sets involved because you are making assumptions from some other semi-related comparison.

Originally Posted by Psylenz

There was a thread similar to this a while back in the Defender boards. I won't claim it for all slows, but some suggested and were supported that Siphon Speed is unresisted by AVs and GMs. I am not sure on the mechanics of that.

Originally Posted by Nemu_

I included a few zephyr kb IOs for that, and I can tell you've never fought rularuu. Floating out of melee range won't save you against them, try a few shard TFs.

Originally Posted by Nemu_

AV/GMs, hard content, teams, it gets used enough.

Hover and ranged defense will make you sturdy but they won't make you impervious (hello rularuu). They can and will fail you, and what then?