Madadh

I'd offer you +100 Internets for the awesomeness of this comment, but the offering of +Internets which are in fact totally worthless as a reward for a witty turn of phrase is an internet meme, and thus would sorta go against the spirit of the comment you made for which I am offering a compliment......

So, I'll just offer a rousing, "Here, here!" instead..

I agree, but would point out that I know a few non-MMO style games that are not hybrid. If there are any still about and kicking that implies that the model itself isn't without merit. It may, or may not translate well to MMOs. It may or may not have even been tried, but I wouldn't discount such an animal as a Unicorm..

Yes, but seriously.. Sonic/Sonic defs rock FAR more than people give them credit for, so I don't think this is a fair comparison to a squishie who has no mez protection, or no res, or not res debuff, etc...

Completely agree.

Pure support types might have some problems, but soloing is scary easy otherwise. It's become a time test for many of us.. Not is, but how fast. My lvl 13 brute with no appreciable slotting of any sort did 4 runs in 44 minutes, counting between time, and I don't think that's even close to a really noteworthy score..

On the other hand, my TA Def is built with all her set bonuses aimed at lvl 40ish. Minus those, and the powers above lvl 25, she just manages progress on her debt badge, so.. It really depends on the alt... And it's not a pure melee v other dichotomy. My rad/rad def had zero problems, and managed some decent times herself. With more than 3 attacks at lvl 25, she'd have been a lot faster.

Sure, it's still in it's initial draft phase, as I'm sure I'll be making tweaks like I usually do, but for now, this is what I have...

Can't decide how much I want to worry over the last 1% of melee defense... A few other spots still bother me slightly, but it's a good starting spot I think.


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Level 50 Natural Defender
Primary Power Set: Traps
Secondary Power Set: Beam Rifle
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Electricity Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Caltrops -- Posi-Dam%:50(A), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(23), Ragnrk-Knock%:50(23), RechRdx-I:50(25)
Level 1: Single Shot -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(3), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(3), Dev'n-Hold%:50(5)
Level 2: Charged Shot -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(11), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(13)
Level 4: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(5)
Level 6: Acid Mortar -- Achilles-ResDeb%:20(A), LdyGrey-%Dam:50(7), UndDef-Rchg/EndRdx:50(7), UndDef-Rchg:50(19)
Level 8: Force Field Generator -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(11)
Level 10: Disintegrate -- Decim-Acc/Dmg:40(A), Decim-Dmg/Rchg:40(13), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:40(15), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:40(15), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx:40(19)
Level 12: Poison Trap -- BasGaze-Acc/Rchg:30(A), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(21), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(45), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold:30(46), Lock-%Hold:50(46)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Winter-ResSlow:50(A)
Level 16: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(A), HO:Enzym(17), LkGmblr-Def:50(17)
Level 18: Assault -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 20: Lancer Shot -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(A), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:40(21), Dev'n-Hold%:40(37), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx:40(40), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(40)
Level 22: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Seeker Drones -- Cloud-%Dam:30(A), Cloud-Acc/Rchg:30(42), Cloud-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg:30(42), Cloud-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:30(42), Dev'n-Hold%:50(43)
Level 26: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(27), Aegis-Psi/Status:40(27), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(29), S'fstPrt-ResKB:30(31)
Level 28: Cutting Beam -- Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(43), Posi-Dmg/Rng:50(43), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), Posi-Dam%:50(45)
Level 30: Tactics -- GSFC-ToHit:21(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:21(31), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:40(31), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:40(33), GSFC-Build%:40(33), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:40(33)
Level 32: Triage Beacon -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx:50(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(34), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34), Dct'dW-Heal:50(34), Dct'dW-Rchg:50(40)
Level 35: Piercing Beam -- Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(A), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Posi-Dmg/Rng:50(36), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(37), Posi-Dam%:50(37)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(39), LkGmblr-Def:50(39)
Level 41: Overcharge -- Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(46), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(50), Posi-Dam%:50(50)
Level 44: Electric Fence -- HO:Endo(A)
Level 47: Charged Armor -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(48), RctvArm-ResDam:40(48), RctvArm-EndRdx:40(50)
Level 49: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(36)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(29)

I don't believe it's a beta. The main Mozilla page directs to what appears a general download of Firefox 7.0 actually.

This is not true. I was refunded my points quite rapidly.. OK. It took a day, maybe two. I find that to be quite acceptable speed.

There may not be refunds in all cases, but that's another matter and I can't guess how they'd judge on a case by case basis how or when to refund Paragon Points.

Doh. Feel stupid I didn't try that. Cache dump did the trick. I blame the pre-coffee status for my slowness this morning.

I'm skipping Trip Mine. Don't like interrupts and it makes me rush in to toe bomb when I think I'd be better served at range using cones and spreading the disintegration effect. Not having tested it, that's just my theory. By skipping it it made softcapping easier, too.

Not sure if piercing beam is a 'must have' but more -res is never a bad thing, so I took it.

OK. That made me laugh. Almost enough to try to go back and watch some of that sitcom... So very apropos. Kudos Gob.

That's what I always thought, but I'm willing to accept this as a learning experience. I *KNOW* it's awesome solo, but for teaming, I don't know how it's perceived. I know I always like it if I team with a stormy, but since my earlier point was "don't just assume you know what's best for your team mates, but find out," I'm going to take my advice and wait for feedback.

Well, for the most part, sounds like you already know what to do in teams, but others not so much. Which sorta proves my point... Knowing what helps your team helps you be more effective was what I stated in the start, after all, and you've demonstrated that you're pretty well aware of this.

That being said, one of us can still take my advice, and if it's me, well, that doesn't diminish my point in the slightest.... I refer to your comments on Freezing Rain. I play plenty of scrappers and tanks, and have never had a problem, but I may have missed lesson. Or maybe you did. I was under the impression that a slow that's almost across the board as effective as Snow Storm, but also has a big Def Debuff, and a big Res debuff, and can take a load of procs, and has a knockdown, but not KB levels of KB, and can be made perma pretty easily was almost universally loved. But, regardless, my advice on learning your team will apply to one of us.. (I have to admit, I'm really curious as to which of us, as I'd never heard this before, but I could easily have been missing something all this time. It wouldn't be the first time.)

As for Lightning Storm and Tornado, you'll love those, also situationally...

OK. Between the David Tennant avatar, and the altitis comment, and the bumper sticker..... I nominate you as winner for today on the internet. Got my vote for WWW Champ for the entire 24 hour period..

I think that the flexibility of the game helps create this problem a lot. There are usually 5 or 6 ways to approach most any encounter that all have equally good odds of success. (Note that I say equally good, not all having good odds. In some cases each of the *best* options may be only a 50/50 scenario.) In the familiar scenarios, with more or less normal team balance the 'default' roles pretty much tell everyone how to play, so no leader is needed most of the time. In the edge cases like this, a given percentage just hesitates trying to figure out what's going on, and the rest just assume they know, but often aren't on the same page.

So, I'd say the leader was at fault marginally more for a) Selecting a really tough mission, and then b) Not taking charge to make sure there was at least some sort of coordinated effort.
That said, everyone else could have spoke up, too, and didn't, and you quit without a comment, too, so you're far from excused (but I assume you knew that from the tone of your original post).

As for one's centrality... I think a lot of folks will probably agree with me here, but claim they are the exception, but I'll throw it out regardless. I think most everyone thinks of themselves as central in some way or another. Most everyone feels that their role is *the* critical one. Either 'central support' (I'm the uber critical support type) or 'central damage' or 'central crowd control' or some combination of the above. We're all playing a super hero game and most of us want it to be our name on the cover of the comic. Even if we like being the 'sidekick' or 'lackey' we want to feel it was out key support contribution that made the difference. So, I think we all try to make ourselves more central than ideal at times, but that isn't a condemnation, just a natural result of the type of game we're playing.

The flip side, is a a team with huge redundancy, like 5 defs all with the same powerset, it can be hard to imagine ones contribution even being noticed, and thus one may feel themselves non-critical. Sort of like the 'what good is a mere +2.5 def going to do me' attitude. This will tend to make folks even more hesitant when stacked with the uncertainty of a strange group makeup and the lack of a leadership voice. Some sets, when feeling redundant may also go toward excessive recklessness, too, with the mindset "so what if I die there are 4 other Xs in the group, anyhow." Neither of these attitudes are all that great for team success, though.

So, I guess, I'd say, no real heavy blame or shame needs to be thrown about for that scenario. It's probably pretty normal, given the string of factors. I would say a strong voice, or at least good communication could have vastly improved your odds. You may still have been out of your depth, but if you wiped then, at least there wouldn't have been as many hard feelings if everyone had a role, known what was expected of them, and lept to it as best they could.

Your mileage may vary, and that's just my take on things...

Maddie

PS: That said, I usually don't accept blind invites myself, so that may have been your first mistake. If the leader was too shy to say, "Hi, wanna join the team," then it's a good bet they might be too shy to adequately lead, but of course, this isn't always the case.

I'm with Zem. I would not be happy with having my toggle debuffs changed to click AOE. With toggles I can drop and reapply it as needed as the situation changes. Even if the anchor dies I can easily retoggle it. It is a minor annoyance, but not that bit a deal. The AOE area debuff on a long charge would be a nerf.