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Yes, pretty much put a halt to me trying to get things set up for my team.

Back up

Tell them to contact me ingame. I'll be around tonight and during the weekend

Good to see you got a team together. Welcome.

Why is this question asked every week?

1. Roster cap?

Not necessary, team numbers should police themselves, benched people can always swap teams or create new ones

2. What should the scheduled match timer be?

Arbitrarily I'd say within a week, but optimally I'd say the day should be decided between the captains of the participating teams, 2 weeks max.

3. Matches take place (by default) on Test or Freedom?

Test

4. If Test is the default server, and it becomes unavailable before a scheduled match can take place, should the match automatically take place on Freedom at the originally scheduled time, or should a reschedule take place (essentially resetting any match date timers)?

Reschedule, unless both captains agree upon playing on Freedom

5. Blind line-up submission or counter-pick?

Blind line-up submission.

6. Power(s) you want banned:

Current list is okay with me.

7. Limit the number of stalkers (the league had a 2-stalker limit)?

No. Who was it that arbitrarily chose 2 stalkers as the limit. Set the stalker limit to 3. Currently if a team wants to use stalkers as their source of damage and is limited to 2, a single Fortunata can neuter their damage. Set the limit to 3 that way 1 toon isn't capable of shutting down the opposing team's damage.

8. DC rule? (If yes, applicable to stalkers only, or do you suggest a different rule?)

I'd say any case where more then half of a team DCs. This would cover the stalker problem and prevent a team from all quitting out after they have a lead. (If anyone would be interested in doing that I have no idea)

9. List any rule changes/suggestions you have:

Limit the number of taunters to 2 per team
Change the stalker limit to 3 per team
Are there any rules on trades or changing teams, etc?

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Reading through the ladder thread it seems that many of the veterans will be interested in playing with their friends on ladder teams. Since there will be no draft and D6 players won’t be guaranteed to be invited to play on the established teams I figured I would make a team for less experienced players. ((I am not forming this team because of drama or problems with Dex/Vex or any SMD members; I am greatly appreciative of the matches I was allowed to play and all the pvp experience/knowledge I gained.))

Feel free to post if you’re interested in joining, same format as the ladder free agent thread. A few criteria first…

1. Drama-free area. With PvPers it’s pretty much inevitable that there will be drama at some point. I’d like to attempt to keep internal drama to a minimum. If you have a problem with me or any other member, or tend to attract forum/in-game drama please move along. Which leads into number two…
2. Maturity. I’m not interested in setting age limits etc, but I ask for a certain level of respect between teammates to be maintained. There are many people of varying skill level and positive attitudes and patience will go a long way in that kind of environment. Yadda yadda.
3. Open minded. With less established PvPers you never know what toons people will have, so team makeup will more then likely be unconventional. Considering there are teams that have proven them selves excellent with jump and storm teams, being outside the box a little might not be a bad thing.

No longer a free agent

With maximum investment Fortunata > Night Widow. In a solo setting, say trying to solo an AV Forts have access to attack chains that do similar DPA to the widow chains. However, Forts can take both follow-up and aim, which puts them slightly ahead of Night Widows. Not having the extra damage from slash is made up by the damage boost provided by aim.

DPA comparison
Highest damage widow chain I could find
FU > Lunge > Slash > Strike > FU > Lunge > Strike > Slash > FU > Lunge > Strike > Swipe
.86/2.1/1.98/1.3/.86/2.1/1.3/1.98/.86/2.1/1.3/.985 in 14.52s = 1.22 DPA

Standard fortunata chain
Followup > Lunge > Strike > Swipe
.86/2.1/1.3/.985 in 4.488s = 1.17 DPA

But looking at DPS

Widow Attack Chain
W/ Assault + Procs
FU > Lunge > Slash > Strike > FU > Lunge > Strike > Slash > FU > Lunge > Strike > Swipe
.86/2.1/1.98/1.3/.86/2.1/1.3/1.98/.86/2.1/1.3/.985 in 14.52s = 1.22
Follow up = (50.72)*(1+.9749+2*.3+.15) = 138.21*3 = 414.63
Lunge = (123.67)*(1+.9749+2*.3+.15) = 336.99*3 = 1010.97
Strike = (95.49)*(1+.9749+2*.3+.15) = 260.2*3 = 780.6
Swipe = (57.84)*(1+.9364+2*.3+.15) + 14.36 = 169.74
Slash = (174.86)*(1+.967+2*.3+.15) + 35.35 = 510.44*2 = 1020.88
((233.94*85)-905.14)/85
DPS = 233.94 – no ML, 223.29 w/ ML

Fortunata attack chain
Followup > Lunge > Strike > Swipe
.86/2.1/1.3/.985 in 4.488s = 1.17
Follow up = (50.72)*(1+.9749+2*.3+.15) = 138.21
Lunge = (123.67)*(1+.9749+3*.3+.15) = 374.09
Strike = (95.49)*(1+.9749+2*.3+.15) = 260.2
Swipe = (57.84)*(1+.9665+2*.3+.15) + 10.77 = 167.89
((209.53*85)-566.3)/85
((202.87*26.5)-260.2)/26.5
(193.05*.19) + 193.05
((229.73*20)-802.18+419.09)/20
(210.58*.2) + 210.58
DPS = 209.53- no ML, 202.87 w/ ML, 229.73 w/ aim+ML, 252.7 w/ shatter armor

** Copy pasted from some notes that I keep but the important parts are bolded. The actual DPS calculation is off a little as I didn't take into account the constant 5% chance to miss. That applies to both builds however so for the purposes of this post it's irrelevant.

tl;dr
Widow dps - 223.29 w/ ML
Fort dps - 229.73 w/ aim+ML

At the very high end DPS is nearly equal between the two builds. As stated earlier the fort has better team options, and range attack options. Aura of Confusion is also one of the better powers available to VEATs(clone of mind control's tier 9 only difference is pbae as opposed to targeted ae). If you can make the investment you get more out of a Fortunata.

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((With the release of i17 and demon summoning I had an interest in starting up a tech/magic themed supergroup. The hope would be to have a place for a number of people starting new toons to team together and rp if interested. Base design will reflect the supergroup theme and shouldn’t take too long to get up and running.

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Lots to go over here. You'll have to completely rework for pvp. Unfortunately the way the pvp system rules work, your pve build will not be effective.

1. The core concept for defense is mostly the same. Defenses work the same, theres also an attribute called elusivity added to defenses to improve them. I'm not going to get into it as its a lot of explaining and math, but in short you want to shoot for 50-55% range/melee defense. AoE defense is not important as the only ones who typically use it in pvp are electric melee toons. Status protection in pvp doesn't offer protection but resistance (lowers the duration of the mez). However, the knockback protection is supressed while mezzed so keep that in mind. Elude is a very good option, take it.

One thing to note, the defense bonus from mask presence is suppressed during combat. Don't turn it on in mids when trying to look at your defense, it skews the numbers, add it manually.

2. Skipping a travel power is tempting, but i'd say take super speed at least. There is no penalty for dieing in pvp, but people will still do whatever they can to avoid it, you'll have to chase.

3. Not that I can think of

4. Knowing what server you're on would help for this question. In pvp buildup is the much better option. Unless your fiteclubbing.

5. Base duration for widow holds/immobilizes is 2 seconds. Even with slotting they're hardly noticable. Not really anything you can do about this one.

6. The stealth IO does stack with mask presence. However, you can not play a widow like a stalker. The widow stealth cap is not as high as the stalker's. If you want to hit the widow cap you'll have to take invisibility from the concealment pool as IO+MP is not enough.

7. Smoke grenade is not a hold. The -to hit is negligible, but I don't know how DR affects -perception. It was once a good disruption/harassment tool, but I haven't tried messing with it since the pvp changes.

8. The reason people take sharks on stalkers is they crit from hide/mp. On widows the best option is black scorpion. Web envelope will keep targets grounded. Shatter armor won't crit from hide, but otherwise it's the strongest attack we have available.

Trying to mimic a stalker pvp style is not really the way to go with a widow. We don't have the stealth or damage numbers to play like that. Also thanks to travel suppression you can't really use hit-and-run tactics.

If you're really set on that playstyle my recommendation would be...
- Choose squishy targets from max visible distance (blasters, controllers, defenders)
- Close the gap from an angle they won't notice you immediately
- Open with bu+slash from hide, followed by shatter armor
- Lunge if you are still in range, if not use range attacks
- Placate and slash again when its available
- Web envelope early if they're trying to flee with jump/fly, if not save it for when you have a break with no attacks available
- Elude if they don't drop in a timely manner and put up a fight, or have friends

Build Advice ( tl;dr )
- Take leadership pool if you plan on fighting stalkers in Warburg(dead on all servers?) or in the arena, with TT:L and tactics+perception IO you can see them from 100 ft. makes them easy targets. If not planning on fighting stalkers take concealment to augment your stalker playstyle and phase, or fighting for tough/weave improved survivability. (stealth and mp don't stack so grab grant invis and stick a lotg 7.5 in it)
- Web Envelope + Shatter Armor from mace mastery, its so far beyond the other patron powers there's no comparison
- Build Up > Follow Up