Kioshi

I completely agree with the part I bolded, I was just stating the general behaviour the MO TFs on the channels (usually) show. They don't like melee except for the tank in most cases.

I know about regen's strengths, but people have this perception from seeing so many (maybe bad) regens getting two-shotted when going against for example, 2 pink freak tanks, who aren't exacly big threats. This happens a lot especially while leveling and the regens don't have global recharge. The /SR can avoid getting hit much more easily and use greens. Of course you guys here build your regens to perform at top levels and have layered mitigations like some defense, but a lot of people view regens as very squishy. I know my elec/regen Stalker (my first regen ever) will have awesome survivability after she gets global rech and 30ish melee/25 ranged defs and shadow meld, but right now at 28 and SOs I find her lacking in survivability against groups of mobs compared to how my /ninjitsu was at that level, although I'm enjoying my regen a lot (yes I know Dull Pain is much better on a scrapper because of low stalker HP cap).

But assuming you're 100% right and I'm 100% wrong about the regen not being able to survive as well as a /SR, the perception that regens can die too fast exists. Add that to the 'prejudice' melee toons suffer in MoSTFs (except as I said, in groups of people who know you), and it's easy to understand why the OP is being turned down on Mo attempts. I mean, even non -Granite Tankers are usually not accepted on MoSTFs formed in channels. And as I wrote before, leaders (MoSTFs almost always have someone designed to give orders to make sure things runs well, and I think it's a good thing) tell blasters not to use melee attacks and not to nuke. People are scared of melee toons in MoSTFs, especially since in a channel TF you won't know all the players.

Not that I agree with that, but that's what I saw in numerous MoSTFs attempts, failed or successful, that I've done. I think the only way I can ever get my Em/Nin stalker (softcapped and stuff, and /nin has reconstruction to help) in a MoRSF is if I ask my brazilian coalition or the Repeat Offenders, i doubt I'd be accepted in a server channel attempt, and I know I can play her very well and be cautious when needed.

Not angry, just said you were a bit arrogant from people just giving their opinions, no one said things like 'nub take sb or you'll be gimped'.

On the dom issue, although I don't think permadom is that necessary now after the revamp, I never said I wasn't attempting to perma my dom at the time (I ended up doing it). She was my 1st 50 redside and I was poor there, it took me more than one month to perma her after 50, you know how the black market is.

Even heavily IO'ed toons can benefit from SB. I have a mind/emp with 3 secs off permahasten (more rech than my permadom). I stopped adding recharge to her because she has so much control and buffs that she's already as much as I can handle without going crazy since I have to pay attention to enemies, player health bars, who's forted or not, and adding like 20% extra recharge wouldn't make a LOT of difference... But give me SB and suddenly the extra long buffs such as regen and recovery aura have a lot less downtime - as the very long recharging Mass Confusion - and I can keep Adrenalin Boost on more than one person at once. For example, my regen/recov aura have 50 secs downtime (they recharge on 141 secs and last for 90, remember base for them is 500s). Give me 2 kins with SB and the downtime drops to 20 seconds for very useful buffs.

I find it very valuable when exemplaring also if you intend to do it with your toon since from what you said it looks like she's 50. I 'tanked' a low level TF (the 20-25 one) on a 24 Spines/Dark because of two kins in the team. Gave me the ability to use dark regen whenever it was up (which many IO'ed /dark armor toons can't do or their end will plunge) and have practically a 'Spine Burst - Spine Burst - Spine Burst' attack chain (sure, using some filler between the AoE because it took like 2 secs to recharge) allowing the mobs to focus on me because of all the AoE damage I was doing, since /DA scrappers have no taunt aura like tankers.

But I stated my opinion already - in my particular case, I ask why the kin doesn't have SB to know if it's because she doesn't know how good the power is or she just doesn't like it, and I'm fine either way as long as the player isn't rude or a complete idiot - and I use 'idiot' for extreme cases like aggroing whole rooms, doing things that REALLY hurt the team (I think I mentioned I don't even mind empaths with no attacks and the med pool as long as they're contributing), I just emphasized that I'm very tolerant as long as things are going okay and that I've seen harsh reactions from other players to kins without sb, but I was never condemning your choice.

Agree with you on petless MMs tho, I think they are gimped from the start because they're just corrs with (much) weaker attacks and weaker buffs/debuffs. I just find quite an exaggeration to compare non perma doms to petless MMs, especially after the dom revamp, since they control as ewll as controllers (except for the overpower thing that trollers get sometimes) and put out serious damage (example: Blaze, 189 dmg on Blasters, 168 on Doms). But that's besides the point of the thread, I think that, being arrogant, snarky or not, you got the answers you wanted and you'll find out how 'accepted' this is by other teammates as you play.

That was just an example, dude, chill out. You asked about SB and most people (even the coming storm who loves trolling, not that he bothers me, but he annoys a lot of people usually) gave constructive arguments and you got all fired up because 'you are l33t' and we are supposed to know that you're an uber player who have multiple purpled out toons. Fact is, most people at 50, heavily IOed or not, endurance issues or not, benefit greatly from SB, but you're too thick to understand we're just trying to give our points of view, but since you think 'everybody needs to be IO'ed out', why bother asking?

Not that it matters, but my dom is perma since i11, she wasn't at the time of that particular ITF (AGAIN, IT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW SB HELPED AN ITF GO SMOOTHER, DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?).

Jeez, people try to help, nobody flamed you for asking about the utility of SB, and you reply with arrogance (not only to me).

Way to go dude!

Oh don't bother with that, if they're out of range, too bad for them. No need to go chasing them. I only 'chase' people out of range when someone is dying and I'm on my emp so I can cast a Heal Other+Fortitude (or AB if it's up) - that is, if it isn't like a fool scrapper going off to solo a 8-man mob alone at the other side of the map lol.

But not on my kins, it's not like SB will save anyone's life in 2 seconds.

Wow you must have gotten in some sucky sewer teams.

This.

Example: ITF before the dom revamp. I was on a dom with like 40% global rech at the time, another dom with something like that. The kin wasn't SB'ing anyone.

We asked: 'Hey why don't you sb anyone?'
Kin: 'I'm tired of all the clicking all the time'
We (doms): 'Could you keep SB on at least us doms so we can be permadoms and do more damage and control better? It'll help the ITF run faster if the team agrees'

(The other teammates said it was fine to sb only the doms)

Kin: 'Ok I have no problems just SB'ing two people'

So he kept SB on us, we both were permadom and did more damage, attacked more, our controls were great even on the mez resistant mobs from the ITF... Things went much quicker after that.

You see, it's not only about the endurance, but the recharge too. Few toons, even at 50, are IO'ed enough to have 50% global rech. You can turn a SO'ed Brute/Blaster/etc into a nonstop killing machine like he was a pretty heavily IO'ed toon with one SB. And as Coming Storm said, it works wonders for sets like Traps that have powers on long recharges even when kinda IO'ed out.

Well with SS/Fire you'll feel better at 8 with KO Blow, and feel awesome with Rag at 18... then after Stamina, SOs and Blazing Aura (get it at 22 if you don't have it already) you'll feel pretty good. Then at like 25 you'll start feeling 'meh I'm stuck with this attack chain with gaps'... until 33 when you slot footstomp. SS is a wonky set, not smooth progressing like Claws, but Footstomp is worth it.

It'll be even worse if you go without a damage aura secondary (the ride to footstomp), that's why I deleted my ss/wp at 24. Claws' progress is smoother and Spin is great and comes early, but SS is really smashy and I like it (but had a hard time getting one to 32 because I'm not exactly a melee fan).

Oh just blaze? So I want my corr to get indomitable will