Iceboxer

Thanks, was a fun project. It's been a few weeks since I've done it but here's what I remember (I'm at work so I don't have my notes).

Attack chain is
KO->Hay->Boxing->Jab->Hay->Box
It will varry slightly for about 1 cycle when hasten is down and I'll skip jab every now and then to use hasten or rage. I used dam procs in Boxing to make up some of the < 100 DPS the attack has. Jab is a craptastic filler in a 1 sec gap.

As for timing, I really don't remember, I want to say 20-25, but honesly, it could easly be 25-30. I'll have to see if I can find my notes and/or re-run one.

And like I said before, these are "generic resistance" AVs. Anything with added resistance, like Posi, BaB or Tryant, I can't hammer through (or progress is soooo slow I get bored first).

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Add Hasten into your build and you can solo him.

DPA != DPS which is usually what Tanker builds are missing (DPS ... DPA means little in practice since its not in context of an attack chain).

[/ QUOTE ]

You're right, DPA and DPS are two different things. However, they are intimately related. DPA does not factor in the recharge time of a power, it is simply the amount of damage in can produce over its animation time.

There are only two powers in SS that provide a DPA of over 100, Haymaker and KO Blow. Unless you can create a build that seamlessly chains those two powers with no downtime, SS will not be able to generate DPS much over 100. Every time an attack like Jab, Punch or Footstomp is used, you are generating DPS that is less than the AV's regen rate.

None of that takes into account the S/L resist that Lord Recluse (and most other AV's) has either.

Granted I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I just can't see SS being able to solo AV's effectively without using outside buffs. Maybe an SD/SS could do it, with fully saturated AAO.

I'd love to be proven wrong though, so hopefully someone will be able to post some pics of their solo tanker vs. AV exploits.

[/ QUOTE ]

Here are a few I was able to handle. No insps, no temps (but did use sands during rage crash). I've done a few more but I forgot my screenshotui was defalted to off. I need to redo them.

I took your exact thinking on KO Blow and Haymaker and used IOs to fill in the rest.

Synapse begin

Synapse middle

Synapse end

Numina start

Numina middle

Numina end

Citadel begin

Citadel end

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Back on the main topic I'm not sure a tank is the best choice for solo'ing an AV... we're generally a bit DPS challenged to pull it off. Can you put out a sustained 100+ DPS? If so you'll eventually drop him since his regen is what, around 90 HP/s? Even so it would take forever to whittle down an AV's hit points.

[/ QUOTE ]

AV regen is ~93.3 hp/sec. That, of course, is amplified by any resistance they may have. I believe Lord Recluse has 50% s/l res, so you'd need ~186.6 s/l dps in order to equal his regen rate, let alone kill him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Based on my AV tinkering with my will/SS, this hits the nail on the head.

With my current build, I've handled the handfull of "normal resistance" AVs, (i.e 93 regen) I've tried. Anything with additional resistances, (Posi (and he melts my face off) and BaB for example) I don't have the DPS to overcome.

While I'm sure, with tweaking, I could eek out a little more DPS but I can't see it being in the 200s (or even close) on a will/ss or inv/ss (haven't really looked at shields and/or DM). But that's just my 2 cents (and one hell of a run on sentence) from my random AV tomfoolery.

Little off topic, but what's wrong with the STF right now?

[ QUOTE ]

As far as primaries go, I'm considering Ice, Invul and Shields. I've always loved Ice but with exotic damage holes, positional Defense it seems at a bit of disadvantage late game.

[/ QUOTE ]

Shields is positional defense, inv & ice are both typed.

When did tanks get EMP pulse? This thread has left me stunned and unable to recover endurance for 4 days.

[ QUOTE ]
I believe Iceboxer was referring more to AVs that one would encounter in the normal game, such Manticore, and whether or not killing those AVs in an AE mission was legit.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep, that's exactly what my question was. Custom AV's aren't really on my radar.

Thanks ValBlademaster & Werner, that helps alot.

How do the AVs in AE compare to the AVs in normal missions? For example, on Invc, in AE, Manticore spawns at 50, but if I remember right, AVs are typically 52 in missons. Am I remembering this correctly? Are there other differences?

What's the community's general consensus on 'soloing AV' in the AE vs normal game? Seems so convenient to set up a small mish with the AV in question in it i the AE and then just go to town.

With the AoE def in Hide, do you need Evasion on a stalker?

[ QUOTE ]
Team Veng Bait Reborn/Bananas & Pajamas (Undecided on name )

@Sabin
@Loridai/@Nihilica
@Neuronia

We accept the rules and are stocking up on Tier 3s and Present inspirations.

[/ QUOTE ]

hawt, good luck.

Refresh my memory...is it the some AT modifier that gets applied, like how leadership effects different ATs?

[ QUOTE ]
IS THIS A BUG?
I tried casting the Cold Domination's 2 defense shields on a teammate, when I was under the effects of Power Buildup. But, the defense values of those shields were no better than without Power Buildup.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, PB doesn't effect the Cold Shields because they have a dam res component.

Do the AVs that spawn in custom AE missions count as normal AVs (I was solo on invc)?

If so, I've solo'ed Manticore and Sister Psyche w/out insps or temps* on my Will/SS. I tried Synapse and got him close but his end drain was too much towards the end. He toggle dropped me with a drain and rage crash. Then punched my face in.

Those are the only three I tried since it was a little dry. So depending on the ruling on the AE AVs....it's possible to do some with /SS.

Edit: I also tried lolPosi but he melted my face off in about 45 seconds. And since I had 'just enough' DPS to widdle them down, his Ling Rad dropped my DPS to 'no chance' levels.

*I did use Sands as a rage crash filler

The devil (& delight) is in the details. I wanna be amped, but I'm gonna wait for more details before I get too happy.

There is one of each.

I saw something like this but have yet to nail it down (ran out of time). I had a 50 (me), another 50, and a 33ish in the arena. I was able to get drops (and influence) off the 50, but not off the 33 (who was sk'ed up to 50).

I was going to try to do some additional testing with different lvl toons sk'd up to 50, but use the influence reward as a guide. I'll keep any eye on this thread too.

(this is all arena testing)

[ QUOTE ]
/signed

Yes, Thanks Putz for taking the time to compile all of this info and formalize it.

[/ QUOTE ]

/agreed, great job!

Our base is still very much under construction. But, we do have our game room set up, with some neat wall art by our very own Stone of Amn

Game Room