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Here is another I threw together real quick I have extra slots left over I am sure I can improve on it by fiddling with it I am always looking for new ways to optimize
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You will hate that build you have to many attacks with only 22% to acc that is terrible in the gran scheme of things and you have no sets to offset the acc and why kinetic combat you want positional defense not type defense on the set and for what you spend in Kinetic combats you can add lotg's and have better recharge and free up some slots
I will post my current build and look at redoing yours I have aidself but that is for AV's you can drop hasten in there instead
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Quote:Yes some of that is outdated a lot of changes from the game since the time he played those toons the guide was pre IO'sOriginally Posted by Fury Flechette
He leveled 3 DM/DA scrappers without kb protection? All of his builds don't have acrobatics. Wow, standards for builds have certainly changed. To be fair, I'm sure the author would build differently today.
In fact I started one back in I2 before Dark Armor could even stack, then we had where the tohit buff was like 35% in COF and it was a mag 3 hold and the acc was like 95%
Then DM went through the Buzz saw era which was nerfed with the animation change (that was an accident) but it led to a siphon life buff -
Quote:Originally Posted by Fury Flechette
Is this him? Dark_Mike?
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=115168
Guide was written back in issue 7.
No he said DM/DA
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...=dm%2Fda+bible
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I wonder if that was the guy from the scrapper forums that wrote the DM/DA Bible ? The_gamemaster have not seen him post in forever.
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Quote:8 well built scrappers for the winOriginally Posted by Dirges
Since a warrior tends to be melee character designed to take damage so others don't, that would be a tanker. You can even choose if you use axes, maces, two swords or shields as well.
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Quote:After replying a couple times I remember seeing another post of his where he did not want to use IO's and he can't post on the PVP forums because he has issues. I come to the conclusion he is a trollOriginally Posted by Postagulous
Dude, you've done this before. Exactly.
You: Make me the impossible.
Us: That's not possible, in fact, it blows.
You: You guys suck for not being able to the impossible. [Ad hominum crap.]
Us: [Still trying to give help.]
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Quote:What you failed to grasp is that COX pvp is not the same as most games pvp.Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
My apologize for wanting to play something out of the normal, and if the build sucks, wouldnt that be my choice in the first place to play it?Im not sure telling me that I should go with more popular builds is the way to go when on a game that gives you choices past the popular builds reguardless of there performance.
As for asking for a build on a silver platter that isnt Mid's Grown?I dont know how difficult that would be, so I apologize yet again?
Also, I have no idea how easy it is to Perma Dull Pain, and I do have some small amount of knowledge for IOs, and Ill most likly be adding a Damage Proc to Focus, and use that attack alot in PvP.Might work, might not, but isnt that my call to try it?
Anyhow, ty for the negative responses and wasting my time.Im done with this thread.
The population is ultra small and mainly the hardcore so if you are not IO out to the gills and with the right sets all you are going to do is die 99% of the time and contribute nothing to your side. While you be good fish bait for the other side.
This is not DAOC in the hay day where you could contribute no matter the class or build yes some where better but overall the pvp was better and had a large % of the population played the pvp game so you could contribute.
Basically you are getting upset because people are trying to help you from wasting tons of money on an IO build for PVP that will still suck big time and just frustrate you to no end and still make your toon suck in pvp.
The last thing you need to realize when you ask for pvp builds you need to specify what pvp game you plan to play in COX are you trying to do arena league the build is different from RV zone and SC zone pvp. All three require different builds for top end performance.
Most use the 2 different builds to switch between which PVP they plan to play
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Fire/reg is one of the better sets for scrappers in PVP
Then on top of that are you doing zone pvp or arena?
Yes the builds are that much different between zone and arena
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Quote:Oh how I miss those daysOriginally Posted by Krogoth
If they all enhanced the same aspect of the power, yes. 3 Damage SOs and 3 Damage IOs would be dropped to ~110% damage enhancement from the raw >200%.
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Why I can give you a ton
First it does not help that much it is only 13%. On my current build I take it at 49 and defualt slot it as a set mule for lotg recharge and I turn it on for cinmeora not that I notice any real gains by running it. The 20% slow recharge is nice but not earth shattering
The radius on it is too small and only benefits people really close 15' yea why bother and why do I need grant cover when having people next to me i get a buff from phalanx fighting plus +3.75% defense; If they are a shield player they get a buff also from phalanx fighting if they took it.
Lets add in the radius so small the only time it is even effective is during AV or GM fights because most teams move at fast speeds so how often do they really benefit from my buff.
It does not get you close to the soft cap weave, CJ or Maneuvers or aidself I will take all these before I take grant cover
The power is just not worth taking any where in the build until late levels and i seen a lot of builds that flat out skip it in favor of hasten
Overall the power sucks they added the debuff resistance and the slow resistance in beta trying to give people a reason to take it and guess what everyone still skipped it or takes it late build for lotg global recharge mule. Until it gives more meaningful debuff resistance people will continue to not waste a power slot on the power or if it gives them a defense buff and for it to be usefull on a team it really needs a radius buff -
Quote:elec/sd/fire scrapperOriginally Posted by MeleeMadness
So, I know wayyyy back when it was fire tankers but now, the game has evolved so much and new classes and power sets have been introduced which should have made an impact on who the new AOE king is.
So, is it a brute, tanker, MM or who?
What i mean by AOE king is someone who can solo by street sweeping mobs with bosses and LTs in the mix at least 1 to 2 lvls higher.
I know from experience that a DM/FA brute IS NOT capable of doing it as they have NO survivability what so ever. Yes I have two heals but it just is not enough. I get pummeled mercilessly by the enemy and once one heal goes off i am about to die again cause I have no resistance to poison or whatever. I think the compete and total lack of defense in Fiery Armor is a major factor.
So, I was thinking Shield defense with Electric attack? Or maybe Electric for both primary and secondary? I could call him Energy Crisis!
I know a Dominator would suck as they just don't have the DPS...unless that has changed recently, but i doubt it. I have used my wife's Fire/DM corruptor but still not enough...but when paired with my fire/fire dom, we ****! Wish I could get one of my daughters to play a Demon/Thermal MM so we could be the Family Grim with Screamon Deamon and Screamon Deamonette and Little Deamonette!
Anyway, back to the topic. The best AT/spec that is able to street sweep mobs and live to tell about it. When this game was brand spanking new I did it with a BS/Regen Scrapper....but those days are gone.
Thanks
LR + FB and then SC + FB
Then you also have thunder strike, Chain Lighting (sorta of an aoe) Jacob ladders a cone
Plus scrapper dammage
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How about the + preception IO in tactics that help would it not
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Quote:Actually before IO's healers where not needed in fact toons where more powerful than they are now, you realize regen at one time ran at something like 2000% recharge IH was a toggle and not a timed click if they died there was nothing a healer could do for them. Tanks running perma unstoppable once again usually if they died a heal would not have saved them because their was no agro cap and they had like 200 mobs around them. So since this game started healers have not been neededOriginally Posted by LAST_RONIN
years and years ago healers were "needed" more often. People didn't have all those fun IOs and fancy builds. Also when the game population was 50% noobs who aggro'd everything in sight. Now most teams know what they are doing and in later lvls when the baddies get better at face-planting us, we all use IOs to make that less an issue. So healers are now overrated... but I still smile when my team has one.
One side note: When tanking from time to time a team will want me to herd. I love herding ,but it goes alot smoother if I get a few heals. Give me a kin and I'll heard to the taunt cap anytime. -
Deleted a lot in the 20's after that I just retire them some I like but I have a few and I am about to have another not enough time to play them so I retire them.
My DM/DA and Spines/da retired they just sit there I have moved toons I may one day go back to katana/reg 26 moved to another server I have a lvl 31 like rad/dark defender sitting on a server. I have a fire/reg at 35 I may finish one day
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Fire/SD and DM/SD are your top 2 flavors for AV soloing
DM/SR is probably the cheapest one and very roboust
fire/sr does really really well at it
Katana/reg does well with parry
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This is easy to solve I say lets go (I play scrappers) and I get in the mission I usally beat the tanks to the bob and just killing things in my wake basically I just push the pace and the speed until they cry uncle. They forget about the healer real quick. I also love to make comments when i am looking at the groups like man I love storm because I do I love freezing rain that power just flat out rocks. I give the other secondary props I never say anything about empathy.
It is more to change the mindsets of the pugs that i do play on people like we need I go we do not need a thing.
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Quote:They both are not worth a dime in PVP the best scrapper set in PVP is regen after that I have no clue the best place would be the PVP forums but generally overall unless things have changed it is LOL Melee stillOriginally Posted by delive
I'm getting back into this game and looking to PvP as a scrapper and I was looking at the power sets and I have my mind set on Broadsword. I just can't decide my secondary. I'm stuck between WP and Shield Defense. Which would be better for PvP?
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If you want you can slot 4 of one set IO and then 2 slots with Temper readiness acc/dmg/slow and the dmg/slow and you even get a 1.5% bonus to endurance
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Quote:Sounds like a slotting issue with me I have soloed an AV with no temps and no insp on my fire/sd and never even came close to touching my Conserve power each AV is different but I have soloed a couple where that was the case.Originally Posted by Dafear
I have my 66 month veteran award. I know about pool powers. I generally end up with 7 or 8 pool powers already. 3 or 4 fitness, 2 travel (although these days I can skip the first in those and go directly to the travel power itself. And 2 from leadership because I can't get tactics without maneuvers or assault. I usually end up with assault unless I already have some defense in another power because maneuvers by itself is a waste of endurance. My present reliance on pool powers means I have to skip some good epic powers as well as 2 or mre useful primary/secondary powers. Even so I still have to skip powers in the secondary and primary sets. I am also aware that no character really hits it's power until mid 30's. It takes that long to get enough enhancement slots to make most powers effective. My main complaint is that defensive powers at their base level are useless. Resistance powers at their base do mitigate. Defense does not. And enhancements are not an option, they are requirement for defense. Since I have never min/max my abilities I do not have tough or weave on any character. I only have combat jumping when I'm taking super jump. I can see how stacking more defensive powers can help. But then what additional powers do you drop to make room for those extra endurance draining powers. My EM brute runs 6 toggles already and now I'm expected to add 2 more because the base level of defense is useless? And no, I'm not trolling. I'm just frustrated and, yet, I keep playing. I guess I'm more of a masochist than I ever wanted to believe I was.
The main thing is do you have enough +end and end reduction in your build I mean I ran 8 toggles on a spines/da when there where ony SO's and HO's and I managed just fine because I slotted enough endurance reduction in my attacks. -
Quote:Way a minute logic and facts are not allowed in this argumentOriginally Posted by Frosticus
You HAVE to take 6 power picks that are not from your prim/sec on the way to 50.
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I have never see the build before I was working on a katana/wp build just to see what I could do with my current one he is at 25 I plan on working on him and I was working more survival build my is not far off from yours a little different
But that is the fun of this game
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Quote:I thought it came of more irritatedOriginally Posted by Nihilii
CMA sounds angry...
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Quote:What you stated is the issue with scrapers early level your best mitigation is killing stuff early. You are approaching the fight incorrectly you should be relying on your inspiration and you are relying on the wrong ones green ones. In your early levels if you do turn on your armor you also need to eat those purple ones they add defense, orange ones are resistance eat that before you start a fight. In the early levels the best inspiration for a scrapper are red for more damage. Troller and Blaster play better at the lower levels what you have not done is hit SO with a scrapper everything changes at level 22.Originally Posted by Dafear
My question is why would anyone play shield? My perception of defense based powers is that they are defenseless. I created a scrapper Broadsword/shield on test. The base level of defense in the firat 2 tier powers is no better than having the toggles drop on zoning and not even noticing it through the first couple fiights. Then I notice that brawl is not smacking with the shield. I constantly take damage from even level mobs. So much so I'm wearing out rest. Can't keep enough green inspirations on hand. When I fight +1 mobs I risk being defeated as finally happened at level 9. From what I'm reading here everyone's build for shields requires multiple power pool powers to make it work. Why isn't it capable of working on it's own merit. I also decided to try a axe/shield brute. The only advantage that has kept him from a defeat is his fury. It sure isn't the shield power.
So can someone explain how to build a shield/ super reflex/ninja reflex/or any other defense based power on it's own merit? Or is it as I long suspected a lot of God Mode utilities?
Resistance sets are not much better half the time I run the 1st 10 levels and may never turn on an any of my powers other than a damage aura I do not slot any powers until at least DO and then just me damage and acc in my main attacks.
This is the catch 22 of scrappers they can not give us a lot of defense or resistance early because of the other end when you start to enhance them in late game it becomes over powered. I guess they could give all players more HP early and reduce the amount of HP you get from leveling and still end up with the same current total as we do now at level 50.