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Now when you do receive a defense debuff is only your defense affected or is your defense debuff resistance lowered as well?

Look at my /SD build and my /SR build my /SD build has 91.4-94% DDR depending on how I slot and my /SR build has 96.1% DDR.

If DDR doesn't drop when debuffed I feel much much better about the efficacy of these sets for my purposes.

I'm still getting the hang of my SS/FA, but I don't see how you handle large groups of cimoreans and their huge amounts of defense debuffs.

I only sit at 32.5% s/l and large groups of cimoreans rip through me pretty quickly when I'm the sole center of attention. Even with healing flames and mitigation from footstomp I find them to be a challenge at +0/8

How do you manage these groups?

I'm not going to bother even discussing slotting other than saying I compare both sets fully slotted to the best of their abilities and without incarnate abilites taken into consideration.

Just comparing two builds I made one KM/Regen and another Claws/WP.

With IH on the build reaches 161 hp/sec which is very nice and out of the reach of WP to attain. Dull pain is included.

The recharge in this build is IH at 198 second with 90 second duration, which means that the level of regen is up less than half of gameplay not including -recharge or +recharge bonus other than from hasten and IOs.

Without IH the passive regen is at 64 hp/second

Now looking at a WP

The build I have has WP at 61.4 regen with just one target in range on RTC. It's not often you're fighting with a solitary target in range and I usually judge my base as 2-3 targets in range. With just 3 targets in range the regen goes up to 70.4 hp/sec

And with RTC fully saturated with 10 targets which happens frequently especially on TF/SFs and trials regen goes to 102.7 hp/sec

Even if you completely maxed out the regen potential (Ignoring dimishing returns as much as possible) for both regen and willpower the numbers would still be relatively within the same distance of each other.

69 hp/per second difference in regen for 90 seconds provides no significant advantage to regen over willpower by any means. I'll take the easy to softcap s/l defense, 50% s/l resist and adequate other resists, and "near" IH regen capability without a duration or recharge time.

Paired with the -to hit from RTC and the -to hit from dark attacks, I think WP is a far more solid choice as a secondary.

I've got to be honest, that while DM is a great choice for single target damage, a nice self-heal in your attack chain, and a to-hit wrapped in all your attacks, I would not pair it up with regen unless you're absolutely certain you just want regen as your secondary.

willpower can provide you all the things that regen can without all the downside and is still greatly supported by DM with siphon life as an active heal. The passive levels of regen are much much better with willpower and a full saturated rise to the challenge provides instant healing levels of regen without having to worry about it wearing off or waiting on a recharge time.

It's something to consider before you go through the effort of leveling the character, if you have not done so already.

The thing that really deters me about regen as a strictly pve player is tha massive presence of -recharge abilities in the game.

I have to say that regen's passive regen with its minor resists and lack of defense is behind the curve enough after you IO it out and gather some defenses. The defenses that you do have are easily mitigated due to the lack of defense debuff resistance and then the resistance that you do get is a pitance at 30% s/l and much less in everything else.

Add to the fact that your main form of damage mitigation is healing through reconstruction and dull pain (if you aren't already using it as a +max hp buff/regen boost) and how much -recharge effects that mitigation.

Then other tools that help make regen more survivable such as MoG and Shadow meld are on such short durations with their recharge rates amply affected by -recharge as well.

That leaves you with hoping you have some form of mitigation in your primary set such as knockdowns, stuns, etc. which are greatly affected by -recharge as well.

Just choosing willpower over regen already puts you ahead of the curve when comparing it to regen. After you IO and gather incarnate powers your capability for survival is factors higher than regen.

As much as I like regen and the concept of it, I just don't believe it perfroms as well as other sets. It can do a lot of things, but the other sets just seem to do so better, especially if you compare it to willpower.

Alright, thanks for clearing that up.

I can get my scrapper to around 56-57% reliably on her own, but I suppose I'll typically be over the softcap with buffs at that point.

I was curious to what the softcap is for incarnate trials for defense?

I've seen many different threads on it says 55%, 58%, and 59% ,but I haven't seen a consensus on it, so I'm confused on what the actual softcap is.

I'm trying to build my DM/SR scrapper so they are at or near the softcap for incarnate trials all the time, but I'm not 100% certain which value is the correct one.

I guess the build is either really good or really really bad.

I was wondering what is the max possible defense debuff resistance that you can get with shield defense.

As far as I know the only powers that add defense debuff resistance are active defense, which in non-enhanceable, and then battle agility which is enhancable.

Are there any other powers that I'm overlooking that add DDR and if you double stack active defense does that also stack DDR from it as well?

Going by the current Mids, it seems that fully enhanced for defense, battle agility adds 35.8% DDR.

When active defense is on that adds another 17.3% for a total of 53.1% or if you can double stack active defense for 70.4% DDR.

I'm not 100% certain how DDR works, but it would seem to me that at 70% or less DDR the set would be extremely vunerable to having it's defense negated due to stacking defense debuffs. As one hits, it becomes easier to put more of those debuffs on.

Are the added resists enough to keep this build from suffering greatly when it's defense is negated? I know SR can reach around 90-95% DDR, but doesn't have near the same resists other than it's scalable resist (which I can't recall what power that is in).