Golden Girl
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I think we're getting onto dangerous ground here - it's possible someone could start accusing George Lucas of making the prequels enhance the story of the older movies.
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Quote:But when is it overused, and who decides if it is?Originally Posted by Zikar
But it's only a cliché if it's trite and/or over used, not if it's just been used before or even used frequently.
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Quote:Yeah - like to one person, something could be cool - so it's a trope - but to someone else, it' s a cliche.Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Essentially:
Tropes: "Oh, cool. This is this.
Cliche: Oh man. This again?
It's...*blink*...oh wow. It's that gray area between recognizable and annoying. No wonder we're having an issue here.
I really don't think it's possible to totally say for sure when something's been used too much, or just the right amount, as that will be differnt for each person. -
Well, they do seem to fit it pretty well
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It was awesome - it was a a real "look at me mom!" animation
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Quote:Wouldn't those be back emblems then?Originally Posted by LiquidX
Chest emblems on your back would be nice as well.
Maybe they could just call them "emblems" and let you place them on chests, backs, capes, shoulder pads and so on? -
Welcome home
You might notice one or two changes to the game since you were last here
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Actually, it'd probably make more sense to make the exit from Outbreak be a police van, like the entry to Safeguards - so after you'd helped the cops, they'd give you a lift to Atlas or Galaxy
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Quote:You will learn patience - just like a Jedi shouldOriginally Posted by SinergyX_EU
Every villain and hero have a weakness.. in my case: i lack patience
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The ITF cutscene works best if you trigger the area music at the same time - it makes it totally awesome
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Quote:Same hereOriginally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
I didn't use a single transfer.
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Quote:Be patient - you'll get them eventuallyOriginally Posted by Zyal
Gratz and Happy anniversary too. Wish I found this game sooner so I could have all the neat toys you vets do
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Quote:That'd be fine - as long as it was either an invisible item, or only cosmetic, and didn't require you to wear a certain item to get benefits.Originally Posted by Troublex
1. Better loot system. People love loot. They love to say "Look what i have!"
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The Euro servers do have small populations, and teaming is not as easy as on the American servers - that's why it's very important for anyone who meets a new player to make sure they join the main server channel, so they get connected with the community right away.
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Quote:They might not have known in advance - if the exploit was only just discovered, then they might have made the patch in less than 24 hours.Originally Posted by Wondering_Fury
In other words we got picked cause there the bigger boy in the playground? I'm not being naive but that's a pretty childish system.
Even if it's more convenient to do it to our 'Test' server, they hardly warned us either in advance.
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Quote:That's what I mean - if everything's been done before, then everything's a cliche/tropeOriginally Posted by Zikar
In that case there is nothing that isn't a cliché then, since everything is trope.
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Quote:Read the post that I replied to when I first mentioned itOriginally Posted by Schismatrix
Which doesn't really make it that much less puzzling.
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I thought Pinnacle was the drunk server?
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Quote:Pleading the 5th is using your right to refuse to answer a question that could incriminate youOriginally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
Ok, question time: I just looked up the 5th amendment and I'm now wondering what abuse of government authority in legal procedures has to do with anything. This is not intended to be inflammatory in any way, I just really don't get the reference.
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Quote:I'll plead the 5th on thatOriginally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
You are certainly allowed to hold that opinion, as long as you acknowledge that what seems to be the majority of people do not share your view.
(PS: Also, as long as you realize that it is an opinion of yours, and not a fact).
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Well, I still think they're basically the same thing
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Quote:But if it's all just a matter of opinion, then all tropes will be cliches to some peopleOriginally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
By the definition of each side. All cliches are tropes, but not all tropes are cliches. You may argue about whether or not something falls into one category or another, but since there are no cliches that are not tropes, there will always be at least an equal amount of cliches to tropes, and generally more tropes than cliches.
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Quote:How can you be sure of that, if there's no clear line between them?Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
It doesn't appear to be a clear line because it isn't a clear line. No one person decides what is a cliche and what is just a trope, no more than one person decides what is conventional and what isn't.
Needless to say, the set of tropes is much larger than the set of cliches.
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Quote:That's not really a very clear line between them though - like who decides when something's overused, and when it's just a convention?Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
As I understand it, it is more of a sliding scale. A cliche is the extreme end of overuse. A trope is something that has been used enough to be noticed, yet not enough to warrant the inherently negative connotation that calling it a cliche would.
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Quote:But isn't that still the same? Like a convention is a cliche, because if it's been used enough to become a convention, then it must have been oversued?Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
A cliche is something overused, trite, and expected. A trope is a convention or commonality between stories. So, a trope can easily become a cliche through overuse or misuse, but it is not inherently one, and it does not start as one.