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Devil: Got those 30's almost all set up. Send the inf, they'll arrive over the next couple days. Is 10 at a time good for you, as far as room in your global email?
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1) No shame in not having inf. As long as you're reasonably happy with SO's you will have all the inf you need by just selling orange salvage drops for 1 inf at Wents.
2) If you aren't careful, it'll start sounding like a late night infomercial in here. "Make billions of inf while you sleep!" (For a long time my main marketeer was level 17. And made, yes, billions while I slept.) -
They did put alternate animations on some of the Super Strength and Martial Arts powers.
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There is a basic level of knowledge after which you make inf FAST.It may be a three-tier system.
Tier 1 would be something like "I sell everything to the vendor, because I went to Wents and got scared and overwhelmed by the prices and I ran out of inf immediately."
Tier 2 (possibly?) is "I sell things at Wents, I know that purple recipes make me rich, but I generally make my inf by playing the game normally and/or farming."
Tier 3 is "I have learned techniques, specifically, to make money." That could be hardcore farming for inf, or marketeering, or running ITFs for purples or WWD's for hero merits or... whatever. Now there are inefficient methods to make money and people do those, but that's probably a matter of E vs D or above. (People have made a billion crafting generic IO's. It just takes time. )
Playing at 50 DOES make a large difference quickly, even in tier 2. The old number used to be one ITF, 10 million inf. And every ITF it seems like SOMEONE gets a purple. So if you do the equivalent of eight ITFs you've made 80 million plus a purple, so probably close to 300 million.(The Tier 3 player has also taken the regular merits, converted to hero or villain merits, and made another 300 or 400 million.)
(I am not sure what "play the market with drops" means; I use "play the market" to mean "buy things for the sole purpose of profit", whether by flipping or crafting. ) -
A little bit of overkill on the "Support character" if your wife goes Blaster: Force fields/sonic defender.
With the new, fancy IOs (level 20 generic Defense, specifically) she can be at the defense cap from the time you hit level 17 to eternity. -
BUY IT NAO only works at the top level.
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All done!
I am now offering level 32,33,35 or 30, but for 800 million per set of 30. And a two or three day delay while I generate them. (With the ability to just snorkel up spare recipes and convert 'em I expect I won't get much business in the near future.) -
Ow. The extra zero giveth, the extra zero taketh away.
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What are the rules about throwing rocks at trolls?
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Vernon! Rha ha hah!
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... also the odds go up because you wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't STARTED with a VR.
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I don't have a particularly good reason not to be grabbing buckets and soup bowls... I like projects that work on two or more of my pet goals (more midlevel recipes, less inf in game, leveraging my personal inf destruction 2:1 or more, helping new players and new SGs, whatever else strikes my fancy) and this only works on the "less inf in game" project.
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I used to figure the half-life of a blaster in melee range was four seconds. I think that's still about right. Jump in, hit one or two attacks, jump out.
There's also a blaster mini-guide in my sig that may be useful.
EDIT: It's post #10 in that thread. IT's an old thread and suffers from link rot, so the link in post 1 doesn't work. -
hee hee hee.
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OK, Honcho, send me the inf ( @Boltcutter , send 1 inf first if you are worried about typos and I will let you know I got it) and i can send you the L33s.
Angel, send me the inf and you can get your 32s as well: I don't remember the exact global / spelling. -
I have at least one level-locked at 32 character... I will see if I can do something.
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Yeah, I was working on the 'where the inf enters the game' angle, nihilli.
I guess at 100 million an hour in actual inf generated, you could get to 400 trillion pretty quick. (10,000 runners x 400 hours each.) Good thing the market sucks some of it back. . . SOME.
I'm going to have to adjust my self-esteem down a little as far as what I'm personally doing to the inf supply, that's all. -
Is that several million per minute, new inf entering the world, or several million per minute, "I rolled rare salvage and sold them to other people and several million entered my pocket" or some combination? I have NEVER been able to keep track of how farmers farm and how good they are.
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I've been figuring that "any purple"+ 1 or 2 converters = 200 or 300 million after the dust settles. Get the purples for 10-50 million and boom, a hundred million or so per converter.
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As far as Arcanaville's discussion of "things that add inf to the game" [pure farm of some sort] vs. "things that subtract inf from the game, but make individuals richer" [PVP farming, pure marketing]- normally I approach things her way, but the data we have does not match that approach. We have rich people. I'd say the thing pouring the inf into the system, where these rich people can collect it and have pointless Prestige contests or whatever, is most likely to be
1) iTrials
2) AE farming
3) Goldfarming [may be the same farms]
Incarnate work probably generates HUGE amounts of inf, but I've only done two or three trials, and been too busy ducking and guessing to even pretend to watch my inf count.
One recent effect: many hardcore acheivers with farms and market booths may have left to, as someone put it in a channel, "Go play Sith Ewoks". There seems to be a relative shortage of people pulling profits out of the system lately. -
Plainguy: Thanks for giving us some perspective. There are some easy shortcuts ; you may be making crafting/marketeering harder than it is.
(also, you get one H/V M per part of the story you complete, the first time you complete it; also one H/V M per week for doing "a part" no matter which one. So you can pick up those other four HM's any time.) -
I've actually found Kinetic Combats to be pretty darn good ways to make inf, sometimes EXCELLENT ways. There are times [when the Signature Arc came out and everyone was rolling in Hero Merits, frex] when the price drops down, but I don't remember it being particularly low since they upped it from "Smashing Defense" to "Smashing, Lethal, Melee all in four slots".
For me, seems like there are a lot of builds that could use them and [this is the big point] could use four or five of them per build. Adding nearcapped S/L to a build that isn't normally defense-based adds a LOT of survivability.
Are Kin Combats the best way to use your converters? I doubt it, but a set with five items where three are currently 50-150 million is about the best case outside purples and PVPs that I can think of. -
You've moved my estimate up by a factor of 4. I'm just not sure I'm willing to go higher than that without more than five top-enders in the survey. I know there are a lot of top-enders that never show up on the forums- when Smurphy and I were running an exchange, I ran into a few VERY wealthy individuals who were recommended by previous clients, whom I otherwise would never have met.
My "market-based" estimate of the heavy hitters as "a couple of hundred" went something like this. if I'm in around 20 niches and I run into Enyalios in 5 of them, there aren't very many high profit niches (in our metaniche, midlist IO's) and there are maybe 20 people working those.* If there are 200 niches in my metaniche, there are therefore 200 people working 'em. If there are four times as many people doing "big money stuff" frequently, whether that's running six ITFs a day or farming their faces off or handling market niches I'm not touching [purples etc]: that's 1000. And then I assumed they were all worth an average of 80 billion.
* I'm bumping elbows with the same signatures in several different recipes. There aren't that many people out there doing what I do, in terms of frequency/price/level. -
Quote:You went and got data and made reasonable assumptions and I'm going to engage in petty sniping at it. Because I'm awesome like that.Originally Posted by FourSpeed
WARNING!
This is going to be a lengthy post (even for me 
) covering my analysis
of data gathered from the Informal Survey thread from 10 days ago.
tl;dr version.
A good estimate? No. We have nowhere near enough data to guess anything
that is remotely accurate with any reasonable confidence.
I think the question is "how many 100-billionaires are there?" If we've got four thousand, that's 400 trillion right there; your "conservative" assumptions move it down to a thousand [holding 100 trillion].
I know more A's than I realized, but still I know about half the "A" players who responded. The market is small enough [to me] that I run into various players' signatures every once in a while. This implies that the "serious market community" is relatively small, which I [badly] extrapolated to a couple hundred people. If all of us were A's, which we're not, that drops your 100 trillion on "A" players to 20 trillion.
How can I justify my non-data when you've got actual data? Self-selection. Like any hobbyist ,we like what we do, we like reading and talking about what we do, and we tend to be proud of our muscle cars/SG bases/giant piles of cash/whatever. So you're going to get disproportionate responses from the imaginary rich people because we like to brag AND because we like discussing our hobby.
So if I saw off the top end of the log-normal and say 1% are A and B players combined, worth 80 billion each, that gives me a "top 1%" total wealth of 80 trillion, and if I take 9% C at 25 billion that's a "next 9%" wealth of 225 trillion. If the rest had a billion each that's a "bottom 90%" of 80 trillion. Total around 400 trillion.
At a ten million cash inf an hour we are still talking about 40 million person-hours of play... divide by 100,000 and that's a fairly reasonably 400 hours per person, or 4000 hours at a million inf an hour. Reasonable for seven years, although this is post-inf-sinks and the first four years didn't get anywhere near that much. -
I was under the impression prices were a little higher than that, but good luck. [Somewhere I've got a Freak Tank card that I really should find before I have to move or something.]