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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Not really, no
    Actually, yes. But we can go back and forth on that all night, so I'll leave this particular tangent at "get off your high horse".

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Rule 1 - there are no rules?
    That's... kinda the point.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Or he could be an Incarnate, similar to Trapdoor.
    Uhh... no. You probably don't know this, since you don't play villains (the only place in the game where the Center actually shows up), so I'll quote it for you:
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    Originally Posted by Viridian
    I have an invitation for the Center, the leader of the Council. He won't fight you. He's over 90 years old, and though he's a mutant, he has no combat mutations.
    (emphasis mine)

    As for what his mutant power is...
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    Originally Posted by Viridian
    The normal Council troops are bad. Fanatically loyal. We think that might be tied into the Center's mutation, actually.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Moral authority - supporting freedom gives you the moral authority to help freedom develop in other places.
    Praetoria is a dictatorship, so it's morally inferior to primal Earth.
    Asserting your moral authority strips away any moral authority you might have had.

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    None of those definitions of an anarchist allows for morality.
    Moral does not mean "good". It means "follows a set of rules". What those rules are doesn't matter.

    An anarchist seeks to overturn the rules of society. That doesn't preclude them from having their own set of rules.
  4. I agree that Praetoria needs access to the D. Much like Primal Earth and ϒ β 9-6 (Preatorian Earth), Pocket D is a separate dimension. Specifically, Pocket D is an artificial dimension constructed by DJ Zero to put his night club in. There's no reason not to have Praetorian access.

    Edit: Though DJZ doesn't need enforcers to keep it neutral. He can just eject you into your own, private dimension if you get rowdy. And if you don't have your own method of interdimensional travel, well... you're ******.
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim View Post
    Requiem suggests that Arakhn has feelings for The Center... She continues to suggest that they need him for some unstated reason.
    And, of course, our best guess at the Center's power is that he's a mutant with the power of Charisma.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Schismatrix View Post
    Hmm, so maybe the 5th "had most of their organization subverted and stolen by the Nictus-affiliated Council", including some of the high-ranking members?

    Nah, that wouldn't work at all.
    Possibly "the allmighty benevolent gods changed every member of the 5th Column to allegiance with the Council and erased the memory of the 5th from existence"
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    But it's not spontaneous - you have to decide to kill someone, go fetch your gun, go outside, find the nearest person, aim, and pull the trigger - there's a thought process, with steps, and at each step you've got the option to stop - but you don't.
    It's pre-planned murder.
    You have to go through all those steps in what they call "crimes of passion", and that's certainly not premeditated. By your reasoning, nothing that a human does (or, taken to its logical extreme, nothing that anything in the universe does, whether it be sentient or not, even if it's not even alive) is spontaneous.

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    But the world is a better place than it was in the past - so good is winning.
    If Hitler had won the War, and the world was dominated by Germany, and blond haired, blue eyed people were the government leaders and most common phenotype around, you (as in, the "you" that had grown up in such a world, not the "you" that I'm conversing with today) would be saying the exact same thing.

    The citizens of Praetoria are saying the same thing as you are, too. Their world is much better today than it was before Marcus Cole took on the title of Emperor. Before, there was terror, destruction on a massive scale, and many were homeless and without food. Today, everyone has what they need and then some. Everyone is taken care of. Everyone is safe.

    I agree, that the world today is better than it was 30 years ago. But that's because I've grown up in this world, and have been instilled with the values of this society. If history were altered -- no matter in what way you chose to alter it -- I would feel the same way, because I was brought up in that world. If we were born in a post apocalyptic dystopia, do you know what you and I would be saying? "This world is great -- we don't have nukes falling on us every day! "
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DoctorParadox View Post
    there IS a natural spawn of contaminated in Atlas park. although it hardly counts, the poor little guy is just tragic. near the southwestern corner, between a warehouse and the warwalls, a lone contaminated thug spawns sometimes, vomiting constantly. when I first found him, I was afraid to breath on him too hard. is it a practical way to get the badge? no. but it's fun to find.
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    Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms View Post
    Actually, I believe that's an Infected, not a Contaminated. Mechanically the same critter, but one counts and the other does not.
    The Isolator badge requires defeating 100 Contaminated. The Contaminated faction consists of only minions, and all but 1 have exactly two attacks, one of which is "Rock" (the one without two attacks only has one attack). Contaminated spawn in Outbreak, the Hero tutorial zone, in the second mission from Pilgrim, and as a lone Contaminated in Recluse's Victory. The Contaminated are victims of the "Outbreak" virus.

    The spawn in Atlas Park is from the Infected faction, which normally spawns in Mercy Island and some of the starting Villain missions. The Infected faction includes minions, lieutenants, and bosses, and even a unique boss named "Biopulse" who has gained actual super powers. The Infected are all the result of drinking cesspool water in Mercy Island.
  9. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    No - it's premeditated - you went and got your gun, then went outside with the intention of taking someone's life for no reason - it's absolute evil, and can't be defended as anything else.
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    Premeditated murder is the crime of wrongfully causing the death of another human being (also known as murder) after rationally considering the timing or method of doing so, in order to either increase the likelihood of success, or to evade detection or apprehension.
    Whatever you want to call it, randomly shooting someone for no reason is NOT "premeditated".

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Because good does win over evil most of the time - that's why we're still here, and haven't wiped ourselves out.
    You only say that because the victors in any conflict label themselves as the good guys. The history books generally color the victors as "good", so you claim that good wins over evil. That's not the case; rather, someone wins, and that someone gets to write the history. Because their opponent isn't around any more. Of course they're going to make themselves look good when they do it.

    Good doesn't win over Evil. Victors call themselves Good and call the losers Evil.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    by the end of the GR content, there's going to be no doubt as to who the good people are, and who the bad ones are
    Again, I doubt that. The entire premise of GR seems to be "shades of gray". Sure, if you only run the Resistance storyline (which I assume you will, GG), you'll probably end up seeing Cole and his men as Evil. Hell, you'll probably get that from your first Resistance contact. Run the Loyalist storyline and you'll get the other side of the coin. Run both (as I, and many others, will do), and you'll see that the Good and Evil in Praetoria isn't quite so clear-cut.
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    Stop suggesting ideas you are stealing from Champions!
    I have a better suggestion for Power:

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    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    Stop suggesting ideas!
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison View Post
    I'll work for whoever pays best, morality be damned.
    I'll work for whoever gives me the shinier badges (which probably means I'll do both Loyalist and Resistance storylines on one character)
    Of course, IIRC they said that there'll be a badge for not switching sides which will be removed as soon as you switch sides once, but considering a side switch gives me access to more than one badge, I'm not to worried.

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    Originally Posted by Seldom View Post
    Fleeting: if you don't like this topic, it's best to leave it be, not to change the subject. If you were to make a thread on a particular playstyle, and somebody didn't like it, that wouldn't be a good reason to derail your thread to something they enjoyed. The purpose of this thread was simply to discuss the reasons why some players prefer a certain portion of this game.
    I didn't derail it. I replied to posts in the branching conversation. It's a lot like my brain -- each thought leads to five different others. Then my friends call me weird for piping up about tuna fish in a conversation about D&D.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Red_Raccoon View Post
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Kadabra Kill in this thread yet. Or did I miss it? The mission where you fight him and another boss at the same time is killer. Although the Sea Witch is not much easier.
    Surprisingly, I've never had any issue with Kadabra Kill...

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Absolute good and absolute evil exist.
    Where?

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    Originally Posted by Red_Raccoon View Post
    Yes, random murder is universally considered evil.
    I would argue otherwise. While I wouldn't call random murder a good thing, I fail to see where it is explicitly "evil". Evil implies villainous intent. Completely random death doesn't have intent behind it. I would probably call the act of premeditated murder "evil"; but random murder is about as evil as manslaughter.

    What movie was it... The Box, I think...? The basic premise was that there was a box with a button inside. Pressing the button would award you $1,000,000... but one random person in the world would die because of your button press. It seems like a similar situation to me.

    I think evil is entirely subjective. For example, throughout history, it's the losers of any conflict who are generally considered evil in the history books. Most people alive today would certainly call Hitler an evil person, but during his reign he (and many/most Aryan Germans) truly believed that he was helping Germany regain its rightful place in the world, and making the world a better place for it. From their subjective viewpoint, they were doing Good, and everyone trying to stop them was being Evil.

    The people we label as "terrorists" in today's world believe they are making the world a better place, and that we are evil for trying to stop them. We believe they are destroying society's values and infrastructure, and are evil for doing so. Obviously, we're the good guys for stopping them. That is much like the situation in Praetoria -- the majority have it good, while a terrorist minority believe that the majority is wrong, and go to violent extremes to prove their point.

    During a conflict, all sides believe that they are doing Good, and their opponent(s) are Evil. After a conflict, the history books call the victors Good and the losers Evil.

    If and when the Resistance topples Emperor Cole's hold on Upsilon Beta 9-6 (with or without the aid of super-powered individuals from Primal Earth), it will be "proven" that the Resistance were the "good guys" all along, while the Loyalists were "evil". If and when the Resistance is annihilated (with or without the aid of super-powered individuals from Primal Earth), it will be "proven" that the Resistance were "evil", while the Loyalists were the "good guys".
    (Of course, all of that is hypothetical, since it's unlikely that the Loyalists vs. Resistance storyline will ever be complete in order to maintain the MMO Status Quo)
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Olantern View Post
    Something's bothered me about those two contacts ever since their initial introduction. Their names are obviously anagrams, probably of a phrase with "love" in it, but what's the rest of the phrase?
    Lots of possibilities...

    Sela Vermont:
    (with 'love')
    Love Smarten
    Love Ram Nets
    Me Love Rants
    Love Star Men
    Mantes Lover
    Stamen Lover
    Meant Lovers

    (without 'love')
    Leaven Storm
    Rename Volts
    Meaner Volts
    Laments Over
    Removal Nest
    Marvel Notes
    Learnt Moves
    Alerts Venom
    Travels Omen
    Travel Omens
    Slave Mentor
    Valet Sermon
    Veal Monster
    Name Revolts
    Means Revolt
    Names Revolt
    Moral Events
    Morals Event
    Almost Never
    Roman Svelte
    Matron Elves
    Van Molester
    Enslave Mr To
    Reveal Ms Not
    Leave Mr Snot
    Leave Mrs Not
    Leave Ms Torn
    Realm Vest On
    Lamer Vest No
    Travels On Me
    Slaver To Men
    Lave Me Snort
    Volts Near Me
    Lost Me Raven
    Are Men Volts
    Lost Men Rave


    _______________________________


    Zev Scalamore:
    (with 'love')
    Love Arc Mazes
    Love Scar Maze
    Lovas Craze Me
    A Czar Loves Em
    A Czar Loves Me

    (without 'love')
    Craze La Moves
    Ovals Craze Me
    Cave Zero Alms
    Me Raze Vocals
    Vocals Ram Zee
    Vocals Mar Zee
    Arm Zee Vocals
    Scram Zee Oval
    Macs Zero Veal
    Car Laze Moves
    Arc Laze Moves
    Czars Move Ale
    Save Mole Czar
    Raze Alms Cove
    A Czar Solve Em
    Me Solve A Czar


    There's lots more (IAS returns 385 total for Zev and 2884 total for Sela), but I just picked the ones that sounded pretty good.
  13. I'll echo the people who have said "my MA arcs". My two arcs try to flesh out Croatoa lore a bit more, trying in real-world mythos and bringing the Unseelie Court (who currently only appear during the Halloween event) to a more prominent role, along with their counterparts in the Seelie Court. My arcs also segregate the existing fey in Croatoa into the two faerie courts.
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by NightErrant View Post
    On my Villains it's usually Demonic Aura.
    Yup. And compared to the Hero equivalent, it's ridiculously easy to get.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Schismatrix View Post
    Amusingly enough, the Imperious TF doesn not involve the Council at all, but their mortal enemies, the 5th Column. The ones who had most of their organization subverted and stolen by the Nictus-affiliated Council. So of course they team up with the Nictus of ancient Rome in order to try to overcome the present day Nictus.
    Arakhn and Requiem were with the 5th before the Council.
  16. Any bind you see that starts with /bind KEYNAME ... can be changed to /macro TEXT ... and you'll get a button in your tray which does the same thing.
    (Edit: Unless the binds make use of bind_load_file or bind_load_file silent, because there is no equivalent for macros)

    Also, you can click and drag the buttons from the pet window into your tray. They are also macro buttons, with nice pictures instead of grey circles with text. You can also right click and edit them, to make them do something else. (The one in the pet window will remain unaffected)
  17. AoEs don't auto-crit

    Now, critical hit Knockout Blow, OTOH...
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by EricHough View Post
    I believe that the problem in my version is a bug because the power was originally focused accuracy before the dev's changed their mind and made it shatter armor and the power got renamed but not changed in my version and clearly in filchers.
    Just checked up on Energy Aura's post about the most recent Mids' update. It's a download-only update (doesn't work with the auto-update within the program), and from the update's patch notes:
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    Fixed VEAT/Mace Mastery/Shatter Armor: It now accepts Melee Sets as opposed to To-Hit Buff.
    The thread about the update is here. You can download the update here.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Scythus View Post
    America is a Republic. Democracies are dangerous forms of government where 51% of the population votes to imprison or kill off the other 49%.
    As I quoted earlier, "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner."

    I think the rest of the quote works pretty well for Praetoria, too: "Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

    Now, Emperor Cole isn't exactly a lamb, and you might argue that he's not in the minority... but he's certainly well-armed.
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by je_saist View Post
    This line sort of bugs me. Among the stores that do pre-orders around here now, be it Wal-Mart, Gamestop, Rhino Games, or did pre-orders in the past, such as when EB-Games was a separate franchise, every single one requires that you put some money down on a pre-order in-store. I've yet to go to a single retail store that allowed pre-orders with no money down.
    ...
    Granted, that pre-order money was deducted from the purchase price when you bought the full game
    Yes, many stores which provide pre-orders require you to give a down payment on the order. But that money goes directly to the cost of the game, as you admit. You don't pay extra for a pre-order, you just pay part of the cost earlier.
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aggelakis View Post
    winvincible
    I don't know if that's a typo, but that's an AWESOME word
  22. The profitability of gun running depends on how long it takes to complete the side switching process, which we still don't know yet.
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Redoubtable View Post
    That's an assumption of bad faith on your part.
    It's not really an assumption of bad faith when he's got multiple threads on what is essentially the same subject, and it also colors his posts in other people's threads.