Fairygothmother

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[...]Just out of interest, do the people in there for the PvP ever actually do the missions?[...]

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I think I've done 1 mission whilst in the PvP areas as my stalker to answer that for you...

And yes I do see the hatred against Stalkers.. Sort of.
I find most of it is because we have an extremely powerful frontal attack, but they don't see it is basically the only Archetype-based power we have. Blasters have Snipes, Tankers have valiant Resistance/Defence, Scrappers get their regular criticals, and so forth. Simply, Assassination is a Stalker's main feat.

EDIT: Not directed at anyone in peticular, but just to point out as alot of whinging PvPers won't take the simple fact in.

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I totally agree witht eh stalker part of that post, it seems that most of the moaning is regards stalkers doing what they do e.g. stalking and Stormies hurricaine - dont forget they get a load of other powers I think are better (darn me for deleting mine *sobs*)

I said this before stalkers snaeking up and using AS is what they do, defenders heal/debuff, controllers & dominators hold etc etc the list goes on. You wouldnt ask a blaster to go toe to toe and a stalker wont either. (yeah ok a blapper might but this is a generalisation)
I dont think their overpowered in any way and they are flattenable you just gotta learn how....

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BTW I'd love to see high lvl masterminds taking on Hami!



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Ooo now theres a thought....
That would be fun and dominators too, tho i dont think the big Ameoba technically has a 'mind'.
I assume there will ba a villain counterpart??

tis a bugger about the trading thing tho i agree, i feel poor and Ravens fekkin loaded with nowt to do but shop in icon

But note to self and a warning to all; never trust a boyfriend who gets you to buy lvl 50 SO's to trade with him then AS's you after sayin 'Nooo course i won't..' Hurrumph
Thats my tale of woe as to how i know we cant trade oh if only it were teh other way round /e shakes fist

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You know it strikes me that all these names are, well, rather a giveaway that we are villains...

Why not something like 'The Group of cute white fluffy bunnikins lovers'. Then while the opposition is either going (a) Awwww, how cute.... or (b) projectile vomiting, you sneak off with the loot..

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LMAO true there Ashtoreth, some names are prety good too tho, but then again we got some pretty dodgy ones running about which might get into bother if only from the spelling police...

Interesting concept all the same.....

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Ice/cold is far better than ice/kin in pvp. You have to remember that all your buff/debuffs acutally MUST hit, base accuary in pvp is 50%, against defenders, scrappers or just shielded targets its even less. Most people do recommend atleast 2 +acc so's in their attacks, as a kin you also have to slot almost all your secondary skills. If your buff misses, you have to recast it which is one attack less on the target. Siphon Power is almost useless, you have to stack it up 2-3 times until you notice a great damage benefit, so you also have to hit three times in a row. Siphon Speed is however a great skill if it hits. Fulcrum Shift is a godlike skill in pve, however in pvp you will never find a group of heros to use this skill on, so most people will use it against creeps near the battlefield, if you use it on creeps however the - dmg debuff is wasted.

Ice has the huge advantage, snow storm and benumb are toggle powers, they ALWAYS hit, they drain your end a little bit faster but who cares. In combination with infrigidate you make your enemies crawl into your direction, there is no need for siphon speed if you can just slow them down. With heat loss you have another awesome debuff in the cold tree.

It's ice/cold for single target elimination and
Fire/kin for aoe king.

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Yup agree, tho i'm not a fan of fire at all.

I kno i typed Ice/ice but i meant ice/cold but its hard to type that word here it makes you think that summers just a distant memory
/e shiver
/e sob
/e cuts doon next doors trees for fire muah ha ha ha

I had glanced over the cold set of my PvE dark or rad as something that lil bit diff but for a pure PvP toon its packed with great powers.

Tho if you wanna be more of a team player then i guess thermal radiation is for you as its the closest to a pure healer than the others (dark is debuff king tho, bah i'm still biased lol)one real ace for kinetics tho is increase density as it has bonuses against certian powers, shame about the rest tho.

But as stated by Juron Ice/cold will rock

There should perhaps be some form of PvP etiquette or constructive rules of engagement. Not everyone is up on what to do or not to do which is fair enough.

Like everything in a game thise size not everyone is gonna enjoy it but I really dont think the bitchin sessions that ensure help anyone let a lone that game in the long run. Not everyone enjoys PvP, the arenas or RP'ing for that matter but we all pay our dues......

Its kinda harsh but the long and the short of it is still if you go into any PvP zone you are consenting whether you like it or not. A lot of PvP'ers will leave you in peace if you are badge hunting and say so in a polite manner not a total 'i'm tellin on you if you do...' as thats more likely to get their backs up.

And yeah there are idiots there but I doubt there are any long term players here who can truthfully say they have never came across a muppet in a team? I sure have. Its just now they can kill you rather then just get on your nerves like in PvE.

For teh most part to the OP i'd try to go in with a team, that way ypu can learn as you go, I'm sure some of the long term PvP'ers would be more than glad to help you out and if you find storm/stalkers (whichever side your one i dont know) then ask said stalker, stormy or whatever what makes them work so well agains they will tell you, their happy talking about themselves

Anyhoo good luck in PvP,
No matter whether your pro PvP or not live and let live eh?

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Search might not show opposing ATS, but handy PvP tip of the day:

When you go into a PvP zone type /whoall

It gives you a list of everyone there in the zone and their level, from both sides hero and villain so you can see what likely odds you are facing and broadly what ATs and levels they are.

Cheers

Wreck

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Ooo i think that should stand as advise on a hellofa lot of threads. If its looking to hot and your not feeling that confident then dinny go. Oh the simplicity of it hehe.

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Truth is that MMs cant kill an empath even with all their pets targeted. MMs don't even bother me in a PvP zone, any other villian AT I keep moving to stay alive and spam heal. MMs..I grab a beer, pull up a chair and hit heal every so often.


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If your going down that road then my Dark defender must be great for PvP as 2 energy brutes or stalkers canny mind which - took absolutely ages to kill me and only succeded after i ran outta BF's.

Given a lil more time and SO's slotted right and MM's will be stronger and better. I'm still not convinced their mince tbh.

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Ice/kin should do great, solo this is another type of kin i was thinking about. Lots and lots of slow from your attacks, and siphon speed. Aswell as great single target damage and holds, control is a great thing in PvP. And a holder against a non holder, will always win in a long fight. ice/kin will rock!! even more so than fire/kin.

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For PvP Ice/kin will rock i have to agree as will Ice/ice, after much studying and nipping of friends heads I have made an Ice/ice toon who will be PvP built from start. I took that as i have rad/kin which is looking PvP healthy too.

As for not being able to solo, aye you can! you just gotta think about tactics a lil more than in PvE but its possible. Use the environment around you and travel power is important, your still a lil squishy so you need a lil hit and run aility like stalkers, but in a team you can debuff and attack from range easier.

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Ooops, yep Maximillion is right, it's the second most damaging AoE outside of Atomic Blast. Mind you, electron haze has an activation time of 3s, making the cone much harder to use.

Irradiate in PvP is onlt worth it for the def debuff - I don't think I'd bother with any of the AoE attacks in the rad set if I was going pure PvP, unless you've got nothing else to take.

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From what you and Max have said i think am gonna take it, perhaps i'd underrated it.I have electron haze as it is and enjoy CoT bowling with it but from what i see i think irradiate is better. She will be mainly PvP tho, i have a dark/dark to lvl and a cpl of others. I tried radiation before on CoH but never took to it like i have now.

My eyes are open to teh power of fusion lol

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mentioning snipe, all too many times i get hit by AS and the simple melee i respond with doees over 50% dmg to the stalker, snipe as they run drops them, this is pretty much my reasoning for not droping snip in my melee heavy build.

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Ooo sounds feesable. I get some kinda aim with Radiation and the snipe looks good so far but unlike eng rad lowers defence but i took kinetcs secondery.

I think corruptors and blaster/blapper might face a lot of the same stuff regards power choices and PvP build.
I think its an idea to focus on range & debuffs (and travle power is gonna be importants in PvP me thinks) not sure if solo's an idea altho mishs are easy.

Poor Rave's in retirement - she's hard to kill (which is weird) but does about as much damage as a wet tissue.
I'm loving my coruptor and was thinking of a nemisis for her - a blaster hero but what to choose.......

I need to read up me thinks, OMG me? a blaster? hehe

Meh off topic but it always happens lol.

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How could I not post in this thread?

Irradiate factiods!

It does the most AoE damage of the set, outside of Atomic Blast. Pehaps the DoT nature conceals this.

It has the biggest def debuff of the set, and it lasts for a good long time too.

It also has an accuracy bonus (I think).

On the issue of the def debuff, sure, most of the time you don't need it, but sometimes you get those annoying enemies, like Longbow Spec Ops, or Rikti drones. It really helps against those. Also, using Irradiate first in a fight might mean you can get away with less acc. enhancers in your powers.

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I'm never overyl sure whether to take it or not I had a rad/rad in CoH and never took it but i intend playing this toon the distance. REading the above post kinda makes sence Irradiate is one of those that seems overlooked rather than over rrated.

Any thoughts tho on a PvP build? any opinion on its use there?

Oh deary deary me,
Well here we goes again then....
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and if u read my post you will read that i clearly state 2nd and 3rd class pets which includes assault bots.

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Yah i know that and again I still say that higher MM's will be a threat. Why so determined to take everything wrongly?


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And you are wrong a PvP controller doesnt rely on pets EVER. Simply because their role isnt damage. And when it comes to 1vs1 situations if u think a controller is vulnurable then i think you need look around PvP forums and try PvP 1vs1 a controller.And yes i know iu am controller thats why i know what i am talking about. further more i know the MM's since i have already played one to level 36 so i speak from experience regarding MM effectiveness.


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Well heres a silly thing, controllers have low hit points that is a fact. MM's rely on pets perhaps I need to be more specific but my comment stands, MM's rely on pets controllers rely on holds but they do have pets, I know that too - oo clever lil me but they are vulnerable to attck deu to low HP, as i said in teams they are strong alone vulnerable pretty simple. Did you play ur lvl 36 fully built for PvP an in PvP? From what i've learned over several PvP games the build is different, which I'm sure you know

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just making sure that you know all that and i not see again any posts regarding tp ing into containers and how thats is unfair

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*sigh* Now that has nothing to do with this thread is totally out of context and therefore I think it is perhaps a dig oh no wait it cant be can it?? A flame?
Poor cheap shot. My views havent changed. An olive branch gone to waste me thinks =(

Meanwhile back on the topic of the thred;
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Regarding Hackitoff all i can say is he is a good stalker and knows his set. Until he goes up higher level and gets a fair chance with better slotting and SO's like the level 40's i have been up to to test the stalkers versus my build
i not express any opinion.Gimpman is a special mental case of a stalker

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Finally something we agree on, not the supposed testing issue but my lil m8's. They make ya all warm inside to watch.

Riiiight.....

I dont think that was needed *sigh*

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Thanks for that really good suggestion thats why the boxes and corners are for in PvP zones. Get a stalker in there and root him and watch him struggle in agony.Environmental Tactics are the best to killing stalkers due to their hit and run nature in the open.

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I know all that thanks, i was refering to Plight saying that he'd win a duel fighting at lvl 50 if you read my post.
And if u look i pointed out the hit and run as well....


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A good PvP stalker will never miss. BU + couple of yellows and the hit will land (unless we talk about debuffs put on stalker)

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Hmm never miss? is there really a power that NEVER misses? If that were really the case then stalkers are very very over powered indeed me thinks

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An MM will never be a threat in a PvP zone only a nuisance since the pets that actually pull damage and actually manage land hits are the 2nd and 3rd class.Since you can take down the MM and that auto kills the pets an MM is no big threat in a PvP zone for a well prepared team.

EDIT: This is based on US forums PvP threads as well. The fact that the pets are very vulnurable to specific debuffs and attacks basically doesnt allow an MM for some really good damage output..combined with the low HP then a MM is a n easy prey

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In that case you had better corrrect the others who have said that, i recall Obot only recetnly mentioning asasult bots in Pvp and given time for more to progress me thinks my comment stands. COnts and MM have low HP everyone knows that, thats why the rely on pets and holds. In teams they are aforce alone vulnerable. Your a cont you know that??

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tbh never found a stalker to be a menace in except gimpman and 3 more who fortunately belong to my SG (thats merely an observation without wanting to say anything for anyone based on the stalkers i have come across so far in PvP zones)

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I referrred both to Gimpman and to Hackitoff both of whom are in PvP and both of who's names are well known as good stalkers and its them who i meant as a menace which if we're being honest and not snide theyare.. If those in ur SG are good then great but as i've only witnessed Gimpy and Hack i'll stick to them for now.


/em sigh

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The build doesn't take Envenom, Weaken or Neurotoxic Breath. In my opinion (and I'm often wrong) that's at worst suicide and at best ignoring three very, very useful powers. The two blasts being taken instead aren't going to come close to making up the difference in damage between having Envenom on a mob.

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Bah that will teach me toremember all the names when i read it, Meh really gotta take envenom!

Daerv is spot on there

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you use it better than most we come across in the PVP zones Its a two edged sword really, you get the kudos of being a crown jewel of a target

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Lmao that 'crown jewel' can be flipped back to mean two certain stalkers too tho remember
The whole thing is two edged as in many MMO's, in SWG remember they brought in bounty hunters to rival jedi, there is a nemisis out there for most AT's on both side its a matter of finding it

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I nearly always team with a stalker, being a big glowing target, haveing a stalker in tow is an awesome strategy, I distract, he assassinates you, how can you go wrong?

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ROFPMSL how can you indeed, meh must get corruptor higher, lemme at 'em lemme at 'em. Well if my hero cany kill or be killed (for like sooo long) then i might as well kill the heros hehe

To Plight,
Aww, they're a menace to conts and blasters. Some without the magic formula can be spotted you know. But yeah w8 till we get lvl 40's around then we'll see a fairer fight, well maybe.... well prolly not actually. And I think a toe to toe with a top lvl one could go either way but tbh in an open zone the result willbe pretty much as it is sorry to say. The key for you i'd rekkon would be getting one to to toe not open???

The stalkers main point is the sneaking and striking they dint have high HP otherwise. And they can miss (its not much of a consolation I know but i'm trying to help honest). I think its that vilians AT@s roles are more defined, maybe not but thats my POV. I think a MM with full pets and SO's will be a force too shortly its just that stalkers and hurricaine stand out at teh moment.


Me thinks that the energy line and also certian corrupting powers will 'negate' it, we know that kinetics does but some primary CO powers have debuffing effects. I'm just awaiting thehero attempts to squash stalker thread lol. Well that and LvL 15 again

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Somewhat related but I've noticed that there seems to be a sort of 'red shirt' syndrome in minions; there's always that one particular one that will almost always die first no matter what.

If you can work out which one is your martyr you could call them 'Kenny'

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LMAO yup sooo true, there is one of mine 'Pinky' who insists on charging in or wandering off to look at the pretty lights.
Teh lich and knight prefered to stand behind me looking menacing.

I did hear a sorry tale from a friend about minions having a union meeting as he was pummeled by a baddie - sad but slightly amusing to watch i'd imagine

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The plan is that instead of epic pools we get the patron system,which is choosing one of recluses followers to ..follow. i expect there are lots of benefits to this,probably epic powers as well.i think thats way better then just a couple of pools.

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Ooo now that would make things interesting.
I'm loving the change ins mish choices as well.

In regards to the OP the build sound like a winner IMHO,
I'm necro/poison on Hecate altho she's not as far on as I'd like but got most of the way in beta (sobs @ loss).

I've never been a fan of fly much but its personal choice, I try not to travel ouside or a mish map with pets in tow anyhoo so my SJ served me well. I can see the advantages of team fly/tp with MM pets tho.

And leadership is good for a solo or team MM too, necromancy offers really great pets, with DM you get the extra of my beloved fuzzi.. i mean dark servant but with poison your not lacking, the fitness pool is almost a must for most AT's and stamina is good for a MM to have.

Poison is a really great set - that coming from a confirmed darkmiasma acolyte

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Dominators at range? Hmmmmm *pondering* you know that might work but then *looking at the ice sword* nah

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Hehe well some dominator's at range then, well some at range for a lil while then moving in might be more accurate.
Cpl of plant and thorn powers have range on them, not overly sure of te other sets tho. but i canny see the sword being ranged unless your gonna chuck it at them? lol

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Hi, just a questin. I have a dark/dark corruptor whos level 14 at the moment. But I still don't have taken Tar Patch or Darkest night (Nontheless I'm doing fine and am capable of soloing my missions). There were always some other Power I prefered first. On level 16 I will take one of those. Which is better to take first? I play PvE mainly.

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Both deffo! for teh most part the whole DM set id fab tho the juries out on black hole its hard in teams trying to explain over and over that some baddies are in phaze *yawns*

Personally for soloing it might depend on ur setting, if ur goin for large minion mobs then tar deffo its really handy and it used to fek up paragon protectors in MOG. I love the lil red shields =)

but to me i'd think darkest night, wack it on the boss or furthest away minion and blast away. Mind to kill said anchor last tho

Personally I have a radiation/ kinetics.

I have ulterier motives for that choice but having a wee experiment of each I settled tfor these.
Kinetics is almost a must for PvP as its stands just now, you main objective after this must be speed ans stealth as yo will be key to a team as Co's seem to have trumped the healer badge too.So the choice of travel power and a form of stealth will be really important, SS and stealth make you ahrd to see but not impossible, Tp will get u outta a sticky situation that it may have got u into flight is handy to stay above the action but is kinda slow.

Teh kinetics have some fabby powers liek increase density (i'm sure a nightmare for certian folk) and travel boosters. I'm biased to dark miasma as I got a lvl 50 hero on it and they debuff the living daylights outta things it took 2 villains ages to kill me the other night, mind u my damage is mince now but I lived for ages, finaly ran outta break frees which finished me off

Ice slows so is handy, sonics weakens defence, radiation gets around most defenses and DoT's dark is fab at debuffing accuracy and damage, Bah@ no psi corruptors they would have kikked [censored] as lil has any protection to them.

beware of an influx of <> storm controllers tho, its bound to happen. its like the fire tank outbreak but PvP will be an open field one hopes
Read over each power on the initial screen that how I gt mine, rad powers have pretty extreme damage for some.

I canny w8 to hit PvP with mine, basically give what u think a go, if u got the slots try more than one for size, hope to see ya there we need more CO's in there.

good luck =)

I for one am glad to hear the impovement to the tree i liked it in Beta.

Like a lot of AT's plant takes a lil getting used to but if well worth the effort. Its not for everyone though I must say, it can be a lil tricky. but I found it capable of solo and teaming well, gonna have a run at PvP altho poor Nimue will have to take a back seat to Anaesthesia for now

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I think had they made the 2 Heal powers moveable it would be a lot more useful. Spirit Tree , like a Triffid could amble along behind you and the Triage could move on suspender field or something. Given it's relativly low output that at least would have been a bit of a compromise.

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Ooo me deffo likes the triffid idea!


Soo with the recent update to the tree are we now of the opinion that its worth the power?

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Exactly. I don't stand around for long enough to benefit much from the location healing powers, everyone moves so fast, one mob to the next.

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Yup roger that. Tis a shame tho I think its a pretty power, reminds me of DE trees. I guess in say a raid or large mob battle is would be more effective as u say folks dont tend to stand still (guess traps get same prob), give it legs or an ability to be recalled

I dont think its just you btw.
There are a hulluva lot of stalkers roaming but i noticed a wee decline in MM's from Beta.

When summit is new everyone wants one(remember sonic and archery?) but then you get left with the 'born to dominator' players *waves*

Personally i love both of mine, now if Icould just sellte on a main.......

Much as I love my Plant dominator I'm not sold on her PvP ability. I agree with Light they might be a lil squishy for solo. What is you power choice btw?
As for other AT's;
Corruptors for ranged AT and perhaps stalker with certian additional power choices for a melee. I'm told MM's are mince but dunno.
In saying that in a team a dominator certianly has a place, some controllers are doing legitametly well on the hero side. And with the addition of domination in a straight team fight or base raid dominators could hold their own.
I play both plant and mind dominators and I'm dfinding PvE soloing not to bad.

As we're still the first wave we need to rely on experiment and our US collegues for info.Give it a go(if u But good luck whatever you settle on.