Evil_Legacy

There were very few and the few that mentioned NCSoft past was was shouted down quickly, most if not all by the same people that is going around bashing NCSoft now.

No one said anything much about Garrett prior to the announcement nor didnt seem to stop them from giving NCSoft money. But all of a sudden it's suppose to be a big problem now?

Not many said much about Tabula Rasa closing and how NCSoft had a habit of killing games, and the couple that did was immediately attacked.

Barely a pip or a semblence of outrage when Auto Assault went under too.

It didnt matter to what was happening to other gaming communities and many just basically shrugged and said it's "just a natural process of the gaming industry."

But when it's in their own backyard, it's WW3 and all of a sudden NCSoft is the most evil game killing corporation out there and it's not just a natural process of an MMO being shutdown anymore it seems. Why? Because it probably was the mindset of, "oh it can never possibly happen to us." Well they was right, that is, until it happened. I dont remember all the charity events and stuff being announced prior much to Aug 31st. Within the last two months, I think I seem more ads about charity events than the entire time I've been here since i7.

It's part of doing buisness.

When some things are not literal, then things can be easily twisted into a lawsuit over a matter of wording.

Their goal of making people happy is just a goal. Doesnt mean they have to actually even reach that goal. Or in another way, there goal is to make people happy, they never said exactly how many people so that could mean if two people are happy, then the goal is met and they kept their word.

good point.

yeh, but still want to know, What the hell did the sheep do to anybody?

go figure.

Do the chart actually mean anything? If it does and it's measure of how powerful of an impact of negative actions (a mere 214 negative hits), then many other companies should be worried about the negative press this website gives. Walmart for example have 24K+ negative hits, and looks like they are doing just fine.Time Warner 14k in negative hits with only a 3.2% positive rating. And even worse rating than NCSoft, yet they are still around and doing buisness as usual. It dont seem that website have much sway on negative publicity and making a company tank or even hurt.

Or staying within the NCSoft realm, Guild Wars have a 96.1 postive rating with 3k+ and only 331 about negative hits for 3.7%, more positive then City of Heroes.

See a relative pattern? Most other things have thousands of negative and still going strong. What? a mere 214 is suppose to a clear meaning that the company is bad and now will tank. Ok ok, EA, a notorious game killer, have about the same area of number of responses but EA seems to still be around even with the fuss of this graph.

All that picture really shows is that a few people are upset that the game is closing and doubt the PR of NCSoft, if they see that, will even bother to flinch, considering that this game have thousands of players. A flick is not a knockout punch. I think even NCSoft expected more people to be outraged and go negative on them. So far, it's all underground stuff that is not getting much attention besides the folks that already know about it and on board. There is probably more than 214 people on Titan network.

I think once they get real and stop messing around with small inside stuff where support is a given, then NCSoft may have a reason to start worrying. Right now, their PR people probably are busy dealing with other things. It will not be a PR nightmare if this stuff stays under wraps on small gaming sites, gaming magazines that are usually pro-player anyways and the likes. If they are too scared to get outside their comfort zone and actually try to rally support where it matters, then might as well hang it up and work on Plan Z, a new game. In order to do that though, they must do something they dont seem to be very good at. Opening up their minds to opinions that dont fit like a glove to their own views.



You know, speaking of cults, you hear about people in cults and stuff, I bet if you walk into their meeting place and say, "I dont think it's a good idea to join a suicide cult." Most of them will probably try to kill you, because in their eye within that group, they are perfectly normal, right, and doing the right thing. Does this make them less crazy because the cult think they are on the righteous path? Depends on the view. To them, everyone else outside that cult is crazy and hostile. To the rest of the world, the cult is crazy and hostile. Who's right and who's wrong and while many here tend to focus on that a little too much, many times it's irrelevant.

The cult have a right to their opinion just as much as the people outside the cult can have their opinion. But if a cult keeps coming to resturant saying the Gaundaspeare is a savior and someone pips up saying, "no, I dont agree." And the cult says "Gaundaspeare is a savior" and the same person pips up again and say, "No, I dont agree." Then the cult asks "Why do you insist on disagreeing with us?" Then the guy pips up again and asks in return, "Why do you keep saying Gaundaspeare is a savior? If you insist on keep saying that Gaundaspeare is a savior and you believe that is your right to, then I have a right to say "no, I do not agree". If you dont want me to disagree, then stop saying that Gaundaspeare is a savior. Then you dont have to worry about me saying no, I do not agree. That way, we both are happy." Point is that if people can continue to bring up SaveCOX propaganda over and over, then we can disagree with it over and over. SaveCOX already have a spot for all of that, but if you insist on bringing it here over and over, that is fine but we have a right to disagree with it over and over if we dont agree with it. Bring up the same subjects, you'll get the same answers. As much as you keep asking why we keep saying the same thing over and over, I'm wondering the same thing about your side. You talk about us coming to your thread but you all does the same thing to threads that are not glorifying Savethe COX cause. And as one your SaveCOXers said, "If it is posted on a public forum, then you should expect different types of answers." when asked why they insist on bring the SaveCOX stuff in threads that have nothing to do with SaveCOX. He did have a point and apparently no Save COX member had a problem with them doing that so hey, what's the problem with saying we dont agree with SaveCOX in the threads they bring up?

And the trophies, well your crew gave us those trophies and we just going to make light of them because the same actions someone we are being condemned for, is the exact actions they displayed to us and still display to us. It's really funny to me, not sure about the other ones, but it's funny to me.

If star wars failed at the box office in 77, I think it still would of have had a cult following and sci-fi genre probably would be still where it is at today. If Star Wars failed and with the budget they had, most studios probably wouldnt have been itching to finance many big budget sci-fi flicks after that until about a decade later when something else would have filled that void and taken the spot that was suppose to be starwars and someone else would have had Lucas' cash flow. Maybe Spielberg instead on top of his already large pockets?

ah yes. forgot about that method.

money talks.

We'll see.

Seen it many times.

yeah.


Lmao.

Thought you had to be VIP to access the SSA arc, even on beta.

Exactly. That is assuming those hollywood people dont bolo the script.

Plenty of materials, plenty of already made characters, decent storylines but you know how that goes sometimes. Remember Doom? My god, I was like wtf? That could have been an awesome movie. Hell, Doom 3 was practically a movie already made. And now the movie reputation of that game is tarnished for a very long time.

+1

I kind of noticed these things a while ago from the leader and a few others. And me being me, I said something about it. Kind of about the same points you made and things that you noticed. It started off well, with good intentions and good idea but as time went on, things started to get a bit fishy especially after checking out their actual site, I could tell it was starting to head away from heroics and their leader endorsing that type of behavior. Especially when he says one thing like "oh we are not trying to force the cause on anyone and respect people that disagree." Yet when you disagree with the tactics, "TROLLL!!!" Yet in a lot more words. At that point I knew, that group went off track with the cause and true mission.

But that is considered trolling here, remember?

Remember it seems thier rules are:
"Think how we think or else you are an enemy and thus a troll."
"If you dont join us into trying to bully NCSoft into giving us exactly what we want, when we want it, and how we want it, then you're a troll."
"If you state your opinion and it's not agreeing with the SaveCOX view, then you're a troll."
"If you are not willing to following blindly with the SaveCOX leader, then you are a troll."
"If you are not with us, you're against us and thus a troll."
"we are allowed to harass, insult, bully everyone into trying to get people to view things the way the SaveCOX movement views it, but if you return the favor, you're a troll."
"SaveCOX have final say in any matter and any information from them is unquestionable. If you question it in anyway, then you're a troll."
"If the Titan leader says that a statement from NCSoft is crap, then it's crap and anyone who disagree, is a troll."
"Bash NCSoft or else, you're a troll."

basically.

Well going bu their usual behavior, anything negative that happens to NCSoft, they will take credit for and use it to "prove" that thier "methods" are working.

I think it hasnt been SaveCOX for a while now and it's just a title. I think it just turned to desperation into another angry crowd of gamers keeping up a fuss and talking down to everyone that dont agree with them. And it's not everyone there just a relative few that seem hell bent on trying to "wreak havoc" with a peas shooter against a bear while not given a crap that they are dragging the entire effort down into the mud with their tactics. Kind of remind me of the KKK. Started with good intentions college fraternity and a few nutcases twisted it and it's goals into something totally different to what they are known today for. The SaveCOX is going down that path rapidly. While some of the good ones are making noise about saving COX they really should be making noise on those that is inside their cause that is doing more harm to the cause that anyone on the outside could ever dream of doing. Right now, there isnt even a need for a stick of explosives if a person wanted to kill the SaveCOX cause. NCSoft doesnt even have to say anything to kill the SaveCOX cause. Certain people on the inside are already destroying it for everyone from inside out. And everyone else on the outside just have to wait a bit and watch it collapse on itself at the rate they are going.

Maybe some of the good ones will stop trying to attack everyone and everything on the outside and realize that their own "house" is crumbling. I have yet seen any company be convinced to even bothering listening to a group that is constantly attacking them and condemning them at every turn. If Ncsoft is treating the group like an enemy it's because that is how they came forth. It wasnt like they came as trying to open up a line of communication and no "Do what we say or else." do not count. They came off as "You are the enemy because you decided to shut down our game!" And it seem to be a growing idea within that "heroic" community. I'm starting to wonder who really are the villains here? The people that pretend to be heroes but act like pure villains, or the so called evil corporation that made a buisness decision without regards to feelings, emotions, community cohesion and etc.

ah yes. This is true.