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Quote:If that is what you think has happened during those posts you don't know what a discussion is, nor have you been paying attention.Originally Posted by Lothic
You've semi-ignored and/or countered just about everything everyone's said to you on this matter. *shrugs*
I've changed the the officer ranks nearly completely and taken into consideration everything that has been said. While I haven't stated "I have changed this now" or something like that, those points that I saw were wrong based on what has been said have been changed.
What you may take as "ignoring" is that I've completely changed something and/or am explaining something more clearly due to vagueness perhaps causing a problem such as "the civilian" being referred to as a civilian which he isn't after the point where he joins and that wasn't being understood.
Anyways...
Someone said that the fireteam would consist of E-1, E-2, E-3, and E-4 (along with the E-5 leader)... How is that the case? Isn't E-1 and E-2 both basic training ranks and would never be put in a live fire situation? so wouldn't the fire team be mad up of E-3s and E-4s and the E-5 being the leader? -
Quote:The point was missed by you completely I see...Originally Posted by Mandu
1.) No, because thanks to videos being released to youtube and the internet TED has become more and more popular over the past few years. Talks that used to have an audience in the double digits now have hundreds of attendees. And this video takes place 11 years from now. Considering how popular TED has become with the general public it would not be at all unreasonable to expect it to become an arena type event open to the general public.
2.) Ummmmm... I don't even know what to say to this one. Where in gods name did you think the the name of the Weyland corporation came from? Did you believe that the founders picked a random made up word? Most corporations are named after either what they represent such as GE and IBM or after their founders such as Johnson & Johnson, Abercrombie and Fitch... Weyland.
Of all the things the guy said and that were in the video, those 2 things were the most unlikely. -
Another solution I guess would be to make it
O-4 Lieutenant Commander and Major
O-3 Lieutenant
O-2 Lieutenant Junior Grade
but I don't know if that is a good thing or not. That's what Starfleet uses... I think the Lieutenant Junior Grade rank is silly it's like saying Junior Junior
Also, Lothic. I appreciate the help... but please stop saying I can do what i want. I know that. However I am asking for opinions, not to be told I can do what I want. -
Quote:Here's the Reasoning behind it...Originally Posted by Lothic
If that's what you want then go for it. And if you don't like the whole "Second LT/First LT" thing then don't include it in your system.
The only thing I'd quibble with you about this is that your parenthesized LtCmdr rank should match up to Major (O-4) and your parenthesized Lt should match up to Captain (O-3). I think that's what they're more equivalent to in real life, but then again like I said you can do whatever you want.
I'd just stress the idea that you really only need as much detail in this area as your story requires. If your story is going to focus on promotions and the way the rank system is evolving in this setting then maybe you'll want to describe all this in detail. Otherwise I wouldn't dwell on this area too much.
Captain gets moved to the O-6 position thus O-3 has to change. A direct change would be Lieutenant which would leave 1st and 2nd Lt and that doesn't make much sense. So we change O-3 to Lieutenant Commander instead as the next rank above Lieutenant... O-2 doesn't really change, but then O-1 gets changed for simplification to Ensign.
Another in-story explanation could be that Majors in their role are not part of the routine day-to-day workings of the ship but rather the more army-esque side which would mean that that rank didn't get renamed and at the same time because "Captains" appeared to fill the role of Lieutenant Commander thus the discrepancy. -
Does this make more sense?
On the left side is what it starts out as (army ranks), but as time progresses they become the parenthetical rank either out of custom simplification due to names elsewhere. The rank on the right is the NCO equivalent or however you want to say it...
Oh and O-1 and O-2 is altered cuz 1st and 2nd Lieutenant are horrible titles and if I was in the army i'd try my hardest just to get past those rank names...
O-7 General
O-6 Colonel (Captain)
O-5 Lieutenant Colonel (Commander)
O-4 Major
O-3 Captain (Lieutenant Commander) / E-9 Sergeant Major
O-2 First Lieutenant (Lietenant) / E-8 Master Sergeant
O-1 Second Lieutenant (Ensign) / E-7 Sergeant First Class
E-6 Staff Sergeant
E-5 Sergeant
E-4 Corporal
E-3 PFC
E-2 Private 2
E-1 Private
as far as age goes... according to http://usmilitary.about.com/od/promo...fficerprom.htm the character would have to be an O-3... at the most and O-4 depending on her age. Also according to that you could theoretically be a general at age 35, but that's only if you hit every promotion at the legal minimum. -
Quote:it's a combination of things... initially they start of as a anti-invasion task force type group using the alien technology to fend them off... the alien technology leads to mecha designs and as things progress it is realized they need to start defending from space which leads to using the technologies to build low orbit and orbital ships.Originally Posted by New_Dark_Age
Hard to address everything so if you have any questions just ask me.
Well firstly about your mixture of Army and Navy ranks. If this is like Star Voyage space flight technology then Naval Ranks might be more appropriate. If its more of a ground force then Army ranks might be more appropriate. Its its a mixture then certain Marine ranks may be appropriate. If this technology is used for long range air attacks then consider it a branch of the Air Force
The Navy equivalent of an Army General is an Admiral.
The Army equivialent of an Navy Captain is a Colonel.
A Captain in the Army is a much lower officer than a Captain in the Navy.
Drop the rank Specialist.... its bull****. The Marines do not have it. Unless this story has hundreds of soldiers I would not even use it. Just use Private then Corporal. Or Seaman then Petty Officer (Navy). Only use Specialist when refering to the civilian maybe..even then it should not be a rank.
Lieutenant Colonels in the army command a Battalion which consists of 300-1200 men and as such usually conduct missions with Company or Platoon sized elements. I am sure you can have a Lieutenant Colonel working with a 5 man team or 11 man squad but it just seems weird to me so you may consider making your main character a lower rank like a Lieutenant or Captain or Navy Lieutenant.
The civilian would not be a rank but contracted by the military but still would have to answer to the commander or his subordinates.
Also if the Space Flight is one ship a CAPTAIN would be in charge of it most likely with the Admirals watching from a safe diatance.Or an Air Force Colonel would be in charge of it while the Air Force Generals watch from a safe distance. If the ship is small, the Commander of the vessel can go down in rank maybe, Navy Commander or Air Force Lieutenant Colonel.
If it expanded to many ships then it might be feasible that an Admiral or Air Force General would accompany them.
So it starts off army/intry-esque but then air-force and navy is used to start building and commanding the ships which also leads to commanding the infantry... so it all blends together. I figure that Structurally they start of Army so take on that, but then custom and people in charge bring in other ranks... while at the same time the audience is used to hearing Starfleet ranks so that would be an easy reference point...not to mention some in story chars might just like using those terms...
Also this is an organization that is rushed into being created and being done more as they go over less than a decade and rapidly changes and brings in people from various branches so it's somewhat supposed to be a mish mash but still decently structured. -
Quote:"The civilian" is only a civilian during the invasion. When the general get everything set he "recruits" the civilian so that he becomes a part of that military organization. He doesn't go through basic training and is forced to learn on the job. I'm going to make the argument that surviving the invasion and saving the 2 officers along with having the most experience with the technology equates to him being allowed to skip it or something like that.Originally Posted by Warfarin88
Civilians hold no rank. They're civilians. Think of it like this (simplified). It's illegal for a subordinate to disobey a lawful order from their superior in the military. It's not illegal for a subordinate to disobey their boss in the civilian world. It's also not illegal for a civilian to disobey their military boss, which they often have when employed by the military. The respect a civilian gains by his military counterparts in a unit will generally be directly proportionate to his or her competency and ability to contribute to the accomplishment of their mission.
Yeah, I realize the LtC is more or less a desk job, but I figure I could make the argument that the LtC has experience, is a fighter, and they need the best people for the job more so than the rank and they need the experience to make up for the civilian so she would take on the lead role for those reasons...Quote:As to your unit, I'll speak from an infantryman's perspective. A 5 man "Fire Team" in the Army Infantry is a group of privates led by (at best) a Corporal or maybe a Sergeant. A "Team" in the Army Special Forces is generally around 12 enlisted men and warrant officers (minimum rank of staff sergeant), led by an Army Captain. (O-3, much lower rank than a Navy Captain). Fiction, in particular movies, seem to always place high ranking commissioned officers in places you wouldn't typically see them. A Lieutenant Colonel is a field grade officer, and commands a battalion level contingent of 100's of men and women (or much more typically, serves on the staff of a higher ranking officer -- basically a desk job).
Now that i think about it I'm not even sure if the character would be eligible for the rank as she's supposed to be mid-20s... wouldn't an LtC's age be more in the late 20s early 30s? -
Quote:Well see the thing is, I don't mean to be disrespectful to NCOs as they are important in normal circumstances, but the point of them seems to be mentoring the Officers to a degree as an "assistant" and or coordinating troops, but I just don't see the point of those ranks when you're in a spaceship and the higher ranks are there and can mentor you and any coordinating of troops seems to be more of a technical feat rather than needing another person to relay messages through... it just sorta seems like a rank that doesn't need to be there in the given situation.Originally Posted by EnigmaBlack
Blasphemy! NCOs are the core and backbone of the military branches. They are the ones that get down and dirty and are largely responsible for the well being and training of all enlisted members. Despite what Hollywood portrays Officers are mainly administrators. While some Lts that serve as Platoon leaders may hump it with the troops, as far as many enlisted soldiers are concerned they just have to make sure we get our beans and bullets.
Perhaps you could clarify the point of having them as I view that the job would be a "command" role as in issue orders and such, but if I read what you're saying right are you saying that Officers are the Command and clerical role while the NCOs are more the training and actually following the commands? Or something like that?
It will start small, but it should get bigger as time goes on. The invasion happens and they pump out those pieces really fast because that's what they can make with what they have, but then when they figure out a way to turn out more they do. Obviously there are supporting people (like engineers) and they are warrant officers right?Quote:For this I would suggest a Warrant Officer, Specialist (or E4 equivalent)
I honestly think for such a small group you wouldn't need more than two officers. I take it this will only be a platoon sized group.
I'd have it as:
High ranking officer in charge of the group overall and dealing with bureaucrats.
Officer in charge of field operations, this would be the Platoon leader.
Platoon Sgt (Usually a SFC or MstSGT)
Squad leader, one for each squad (Usually a Staff Sgt but could be a Sgt or Corporal)
Squad members (E4, E3, E2, E1)
Initially they're going to start with a "fire team" i guess it's called... of 5 +1 (the general) and then they are going to start forming squads of 2 fire teams + a CO. Then I feel that the next stage after enough squads are out there they'd more than likely either not fight in bigger groups or build ships and have space battles... so I dunno if that's called a platoon or not... didn't check.
As far as an Officer that handle bureaucrats... the general is supposed to be a retired 4 star general at the beginning of the series, though that might change due to age and i haven't checked that yet
I generally like to things closer to what might really happen given a situation. And so while I can do whatever I want I don't like that when i come across it nor do i like it when i create it.Quote:With that said the beauty of your idea is that it's your idea and you can choose to implement the structure as you wish, especially considering the basis and that this is a new military branch. -
I'm writing a story where military ranks and such may be important to know... Not so much current ones, but one created in reaction to events...
Basically there is an alien invasion which leaves technology behind. This technology is then used to create a new US military branch that then eventually moves to a global military eventually...
At first the technology is used terrestrially, but is presumed that it will expand to space.
The branch is initially formed by a General and a Lt. Colonel who petition for it and are put in charge largely because they are highly regarded and they were at the center of the invasion and because of that have experience with using some of the recovered technology. Likewise a civilian is recruited as he has the most experience with the tech by chance.
I want the story to revolve largely around a 5 man team, largely using the excuse that there is only currently enough time to get 5 prototype/working model up and running of hybrid/new equipment. Eventually 5 man teams turn into 11 man squads, and etc up the groupings...
Now here are the ranks I'm thinking...
General
Captain (captains ship)
Commander (2nd in command on ship)
Lieutenant Colonel (division head) or LtCommander
Major (shift head) or LtColonel
Lieutenant (2nd in command on a shift)
Ensign (commissioned officer)
Cadet (in training to be an officer)
Staff Sergeant (Squad leader, NCO)
Sergeant (team leader, NCO)
Corporal (NCO)
Specialist (graduated enlisted with 4y degrees/civilian-aquired skills, non-command position)
Private First Class (graduated enlisted)
Private (Recruit in boot camp)
Now this follows more or less the 8 tiers of Officers and several tiers of enlisted, with most NCOs left out.
The reason NCOs are mainly left out is that everything above Staff Sergeant seems like it'd be worthless or wouldn't fit as larger groups would be organized by the Officers and the Officers would get mentored by higher ups when they'd get to that level. Perhaps I'm wrong and if so please let me know what you think...
I'm thinking of having the LtC from the beginning take on the leadership of the initial 5 man team. Would that happen? Would they perhaps take on a different rank because of this or switching branches of the military?
I'm thinking of saying that people are taken from other branches for high marks. Would this be acceptable?
What rank would the civilian hold? He'd be an active member of the team and has "civilian-acquired" skills due to experience with alien technology, but i'm not exactly sure what that means. He's between High school and College so he doesn't have a degree... It seems like he'd be a PFC or Specialist, but I'm not sure.
The parentheses after the rank is a small note of what their role is on a ship and/or to my understanding their position within the military. I've used Army and Navy ranks... and because it's a pretty nice basis to start from how StarFleet more or less works their officers. Like I said earlier the idea is that it is Army started to a degree and has Army elements to it, but with the outlook of it might start taking to space it has Naval terms in there too... Do the rank look about right for what would happen in that case? Also I like Major as a rank title, but it seems out of place... is there a better solution than the "or" solution around that rank... I've thought that maybe Major might be used specifically for the shift heads that relate directly to the Army-esque sections and also by doing that it would be a bit confusing with LtColonel and Major = same rank and both are military rank titles.
Also... considering the 5 team members would be a LtCol, and a Civilian? what would the other 3 members of the team ranks be? I would assume 1 of each rank about PFC? -
Does it bother anyone else that the most unrealistic part of that clip and the speech given was the fact that so many people attended a TED conference and perhaps the name of the guy... Weyland...
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Here's a consolation prize from 2 years ago...
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Live action Bleach? It's already been created...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl_WOXkdCb0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=azd7sjTxpUw
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wrong forums dang it...
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>.> 2 million? That sucks that it was such a low ball number. I know that 2 of those comics have sold for that or near that by themselves... And considering the article said it had 44 of the top 100 comics collectors are looking to have that number is extremely low.
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Quote:>.>Originally Posted by mousedroid
Seer
Fruitcake - a term of derision that can be applied to psychics (who have never been shown to actually exist) -
1. What is your age? 26 and 10/12 ^.^
2. What is your gender? Male
3. What nation(s) are you a citizen of? USA
4. At what age did you first read comic books? Between 5 and 8 I think. I don't remember any comics before 93, but I know i liked them enough to know quite a bit about them and I know I got Batman 500
5. Do you presently read comic books? Yes
6. Have you ever read an online superhero comic? "online"? I don't know what qualifies as that. So maybe with a strong leaning towards probably
7. How have comic book heroes affected you personally? I can only guess that my earliest motivation for being creative came from characters that originated in comics...had I not liked TMNT or those types of things I might be a millionaire athlete rather than who I am today >.>
8. Do you value the abilities/powers of a comic book superhero or the character/story development of the superhero? Yes.
9. Do you think superhero comic books have had a significant impact on society? A cursory glance at the history of super heroes should convince anyone that it has directly or indirectly.
10. What value(s) do superhero comic books bring to modern society?
Money, Modern Myths, Morality tales, sames as any story telling medium has.
11. Do you think the value(s) superhero comic books provide has changed over the last 20, 30, 50 years? Comics are generally ahead of the times and since in the last 100 years we went from leave it to beaver and june cleaver to friends, seinfeld, simpsons, to family guy, south park, and those types of things in society one would have to say that yes they have...
12. What era or decade do you think superhero comic books had the greatest impact on society? One might say the 90s but I would think the 40-60s they had the most impact what with Batgirl and Wonder woman being strong feminist symbols as well as the whole UFO phenomena...and the fact that the generations that read those comics and group in that era are the ones that are making huge leaps in science and technology and social rights. While the 90s had more sales they simply didn't have the same impact on the readers and such...
13. What have you thought about the movies in recent years that are based on comic book superheroes? Some are horrendously dumbed down tripe like Green Lantern while others pay homage and do a good job like Batman Begins and Watchmen
14. Do you think modern technologies (e.g. video games, MMOs) have affected the creativity of recent superhero comic book publications? I think that it has less to do with technology and more to do with the modern business model that is feeding into a degenerative system.
15. What, if any, new superhero publications have you seen in the last two years? If you are talking about publishers, 0. If you are talking about titles over the last 2 years I caught up on a number of series that I had stopped reading and the new52 launched and i read all of those titles so depending on how you view this between 0 and hundreds...not very helpful
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The fact that someone can make money selling glasses that make things 2D should really tell them something lol
As to the "well we see in 3D" nonsense that someone tried to make that I'm not going to go back and quote. The problem is precisely that we do see in 3d and what they are claiming is 3D isn't... 3D is created by our eyes seeing two images and then blending them together... but not just that. We also have other things that gives us 3D perception such as when I move my eyes and ears tell my brain that my location has moved and maps me in where ever i am on a map... Headaches are likely caused by these two factors clashing along with eye strain in general. In other words when you watch a 3D film your brain is fighting with itself because the it's not 3D it's the illusion of 3D and so when you move your head the perspective doesn't move which then causes a "hey what the heck?" thing in your brain... likewise when a scene rapidly shifts and changes perspectives your ears are going "He hasn't moved!" but your eyes are again telling your brain the opposite. This constant switching on and off of which sense you can trust while your brain is also saying you can't trust either is likely why people get headaches.
true 3D can only occur in a per person environment so that the image can move to match your perspective... which would be awesome, but we're never going to see it because that would be insanely expensive to film something from every angle in 3D and then have that streamed to a something that tracks your head motion and then produces the appropriate image...That's with todays technology...
Real 3D will exist soon enough through holograms that they already have semi-working Altered reality gadgets and virtual reality...
As to why they are doing it... it's basically to charge more because they are dying... They're on life support as it is now with distribution being so much better and home video and audio equipment being so much better. It's part of a system that is around just to feed into obscuring the reality of that whole industry. That era of theaters is over. -
Quote:Dick Grayson assuming the identity of Batman was not a promotion.Originally Posted by Frost Warden
I thought that the promotion of Dick Grayson and Bucky Barnes to their respective roles as Batman and Captain America were great;
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Umm yeah... They have to. Copyright reasons. If they don't have him in a titular comic they lose the rights to the Marvel title which would allow DC to use it and the cut off date was coming up or something like that.
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The real question is who wants Teen Titans back fully and for the people who created that new Batman show to burn in ruins...
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Grill - Mouth area.
While some sites say that it is "Teeth jewelry" that isn't true... For example "All up in your grill" refers to someone in your face which doesn't actually refer to someone "in" your face >.> -
Quote:I know why they do it and all, but i will always think that region locking is dumb and a bad thing from other perspectives. It's an outmoded system that came about in an era before the internet and it really doesn't fit well in my opinion with the future the world is heading towards.Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Why? It's the UK citizens who pay for that content through their taxes.
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Funny thing... Power girl is never mentioned >.> At least not that I remember.
As far as Kevin Smith fighting with this... I doubt it as the last time i heard about his take on reading this type of stuff is that he doesn't so he might not even know about it or if he does might not care about it. I dunno I don't follow people on twitter or listen to smodcast. -
Quote:Isn't the BBC stuff blocked to Americans? Or non-UK people? I would call that a pretty big mistake imo.Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed
The BBC iPlayer is wonderful, if you can get it.