Draeth Darkstar

Many high global recharge builds already avoid slotting recharge enhancement in as many powers as possible to conserve slots for other benefits; it's a major reason that high global recharge builds are popular. Personally, I only ever slot anything heavily for recharge on a high global recharge build if I have to to make my desired attack chain or a permanent buff/debuff.

Thank you.

Good question. I hope not.

Most versions of the Rain of Fire power summon the same pseudopet as the Blaster version (such as the Dominator Fire Mastery version), or, one with the same damage values as the Blaster version plus special archetype mechanics (such as the Corruptor Fire Blast version, which does full Blaster base damage plus double-Scourge).

The Defender version of Rain of Fire, however, got its very own copy of the pseudopet made for it, with it's base damage reduced by about 33%.

There is a difference between "isn't good" as in, increasing your statistic of Recharge doesn't benefit you anymore, and "isn't good" as in, increasing your statistic of recharge actively hurts your performance.

Being buffed by another player should NEVER be detrimental to you. It is bad design. Period.

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Similarly to the above, there is also a significant difference between saying "balance changes will always affect those at the peak of performance most," which I agree with, and what you said previously, "[min/maxers] are not the important consideration for game balancing," which I do not.

Since you went on to discuss the fact that consideration should and easily could be given to that playstyle in this particular instance, I will assume that you just chose your words poorly in the first post.

I would have to disagree with this statement. Every playstyle is an important consideration for game balancing.

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Try reading the entire post.

And stuff the snark while you're at it.

Without changes, at the very least giving current% rate floors to the proc chances, I fear this is going to really hurt some characters.

My Ice/Storm/Ice Controller has nothing to work with but very short activation+recharge powers to make an attack chain with, and has very high global recharge to leverage Storm Summoning better.

She currently runs Chilblain -> Block of Ice -> Ice Blast -> Repeat
177.5% Global Recharge.
Chilblain, 4s base Recharge, 1.17s activation time

• 89.9% Damage, 0% Recharge
• Trap of the Hunter: 20% Chance for Lethal Damage
• Impeded Swiftness: 20% Chance for Smashing Damage
• Actual Recharge Time: 1.44s
• Cycle time: 2.61s
• 22.989 uses per minute

Block of Ice, 8s base Recharge, 1.87s activation time

• 66.3% Damage, 89.9% Recharge
• Unbreakable Constraint: 33% Chance for Smashing Damage
• Actual Recharge Time: 2.18s
• Cycle time: 4.05s
• 14.815 uses per minute

Ice Blast, 8s base Recharge, 1.00s activation time

• 97.5% Damage, 42.4% Recharge
• Impeded Swiftness: 20% Chance for Smashing Damage
• Actual Recharge Time: 2.5s
• Cycle time: 3.5s
• 17.143 uses per minute

Currently, 20% proc rates are given a value of 3ppm in the market. 33%s are given a value of 4.5ppm.

At those rates:
The Unbreakable Constraint in Block of Ice would go down to a 30.4% proc chance.
The Trap of the Hunter and Impeded Swiftness in Chilblain would go down to 13.05% chances.
The Impeded Swiftness in Ice Blast would go down to a 17.5% chance.

That will theoretically be increased by a nebulous amount by the PPM value increase, but any external recharge buffs will reduce them more, too.

No, it does not, because once you've reached a recharge rate where you're firing your powers off as fast as the animations allow, any further recharge gained decreases your proc chances without increasing your performance in any meaningful way.

Edit: What he said ^

My concern is that, in the huge swathe of characters I have, many of them have 170%+ global recharge and sometimes upwards of another 130% in certain key powers. Some have over 200% global. The fact that procs are going to be diminished in my primary attack chains because of that value, when that amount of recharge isn't necessary for those attack chains to work but is useful for the rest of my powers, is not acceptable. The fact that buffs will reduce our proc rates is just insane.

I'm really shocked that this isn't a more prevalent concern, but I've said my piece on the matter already. Anything further would probably be considered spamming.

While I don't disagree that this is an unsavory thing to do to people who've paid money for these procs, you don't own the characters or items on your account. You have access to them, but they are the property of NCSoft.

3 is the one that's a real problem for me. I cannot emphasize enough how bad I feel it will be for the health of the game if there is suddenly a downside to having "too much Recharge," especially when, in group play, you can get FLOODED with Recharge buffs. It's not unusual for me to see my recharge rate hit the hard cap in League play doing iTrials.

Awesome.

I can't say I like this - I thought it was an interesting feature that, in especially long recharge+activation powers, you could turn a proc into a reliable component of an ability. Making them more random just for the sake of it isn't really good direction, in my opinion, especially at a 90% cap - then it just feels like a penalty from player perspective when it doesn't occur, rather than a bonus when it does.

Conversely, I do think there should be a floor to the chance to proc in any given power of no less than the current flat rate of each proc (so no matter how short a recharge+activation time, say, a melee attack has, Touch of Death would never fall below a 15% proc chance, for example).

This is a bad idea.

Recharge buffs will become a penalty as soon as you go down this road. We will have to built to a specific "cap" of recharge rate for any given build, very carefully not exceeding the optimum value for our attack chains. Speed Boosting a character who is already at their optimum attack chain will decrease their performance. Performance in a League will be HUGELY impacted when you can get tagged with multiple SBs, Chronishifts, Accelerate Metabolisms, et cetera.

Assuming you mean Speed Boost, the Kinetics buff, yes, that will basically give your pets infinite endurance, much as it will a player. The enhancement for that end. mod value comes from the caster, though, not the target, so your alpha choice won't affect that.

I tend to agree with this. I enjoy using Tornado and Lightning Storm on a group of immobilized foes who can't be knocked around too much to give up.

I hope it helps. I've made a few edits to try to make it clearer-er since the initial post, which may matter depending on when you started reading :P

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Found the guide that attempts to quantify the value of Scourge. The long and short of it is:
If you're interested in reading the details, the name in the quote should link correctly to the guide it's from.

Note that means that against the hardest targets, a Damage-capped Corruptor will have an effective damage scale of about 3.75 * 1.2 = 4.5, or, in other words, do about 42.2% more total damage than an equivalent Defender counterpart over the course of the fight.

I'm not really sure how much better I can explain, but I'll try.

Defenders do bloom earlier than Corruptors, yes. That only matters until 38, however. The difference is also diminished when considering Support sets that buff damage, because of the Corruptor's higher base damage, damage cap, and Scourge.

Also an important thing to consider, my characters, at least, tend to see a lot more playtime from 38-50 and post-50 than they do getting to 38, but YMMV. Performance also tends to matter less the lower level you are, as lower level content is less demanding.

Assuming you take Maneuvers, Weave, and Combat Jumping, and slot all 3 of them for 55% Defense Enhancement (read: ED soft cap), a Corruptor gets 13.9655% Def(All), and a Defender gets 17.05% Def(All). That's a difference of 3.085% Defense, and that's as big of a difference as you could realistically make with a good build (as I'd assume you're not going to skip Hasten from your 4th power pool if you're concerned enough about the numbers to even be considering the difference in Defense). Less of those powers and/or less enhancement will mean a smaller difference, and even if you have all 3 slotted fully, 3% Def is not very difficult to come up with in Invention bonuses.

Meanwhile, if you'll refer back to my previous post for the math, a Corruptor at the damage cap has an effective damage scale of 3.75, and a Defender has an effective damage scale of 2.6. What that means to you is that a Corruptor will be doing (3.75 - 2.6) / 3.75 = 30.67% more damage than the Defender... without considering Scourge, which is a huge advantage in and of itself.

You will *definitely* be stronger as a Corruptor solo or teamed past 38, and the difference won't be very big before then, because the damage buffs the Corruptor is generating from Siphon Power increase their damage by a larger absolute value than the Defender.

To provide another example assuming Beauregard's numbers are correct above for a Kin against a single target (+260% Damage from the Corruptor, +350% Damage from the Defender), the Defender is far and away above their cap, so they're at +300%. The Corruptor has 260% + an assumed 95% from Damage Enhancements (again, ED soft cap) in their attack powers for a total of +355% Damage.

That puts the Defender's effective damage scale at 2.6, as previously explained, and the Corruptor's at 4.55 * 0.75 = 3.4125, again, not considering Scourge. That means the Corruptor is doing 23.8% more total damage before Scourge. This also assumes the Corruptor has no other Damage buffs at all (such as Inventions, Assault, red inspirations, et cetera), which the Defender couldn't benefit from. If that doesn't qualify as "vastly superior" I'm not sure what does.

Perhaps I should have said "blue side zones" rather than "zones in Paragon City." What I meant was "zones that only heroes can get to that... none bother to." The Shadow Shard would be a prime candidate.

The one thing I don't like about a Shadow Shard revamp is the idea of fighting the Rularuu enemy group becoming common again. Ugh.

Bonus! Fire Blast got a super-nerfed version of Rain of Fire on Defenders, and Rain of Fire also does triple-damage on Scourge instead of double.

Pets don't need -def debuffs to hit consistently, they already have absurd accuracy which is fully enhanceable to make it even more unreal.

That said I'd still happily play henchmen/control and do it gleefully just to have access to large, consistent AoE immobilizes which become significantly more useful when you have an AI army following you around and chasing things everywhere. Even better, they'd be great to make use of burn patches.