Thugs/Traps overhaul

I haven't played this character in a very long time, and he is level 40 at the moment, but would love some input on build ideas WITHOUT purples, but with an ATO set.

Obviously recharge and defense are the keys to this combo but I have never taken any MM to 50 yet, out of my 21 level 50 characters, so this is something I want to work on.

Does anyone have a Mids build of their characters? I can only imagine Thugs/Traps being pretty popular so I hope to see some suggestions.

Where do you put the ATO? What is the general consensus on that?

etc. I've been away a long time.

Also, wouldn't rebirth be better than barrier?

Excellent - although where did you put your last 3 slots - this is a level 49 build..?

Enforcers are probably the first time I would consider HO enhancements - they have too much stuff to buff. Do they run out of endurance? They seem to on mine - he is 43 now.

Yeah I could see sacrificing one of the HOs for a dam/end IO even if I lose a little damage - they are overslotted for acc anyway.

Actually, throwing an Enzyme in there to replace the defense IO would prob work too.

EDIT: I assume you gathered all that defense so you could toe bomb with SS + Stealth?

Well I got him to 47 and spent about an hour and a half stealing money from other toons to buy stuff.

I went a little different route but now that I have looked at it, I may respec one more time, convert him to villain, and work on the Mace epic, for Web Envelope and Scorpion Shield. Due to the constant burn patches from Thugs, mobs run all over the place and it is kind of a pain to constantly spam Web Grenade on every enemy.

I also am at the mercy of the market at the moment - there are some recipes that the market is completely out of right now.

I am already at the normal softcap - I have the ice epic for now with the shield (this is what I am thinking I should respec out of for Web/Scorp.) I need more slots to do what I want to. I don't think incarnate softcap is going to be realistic for me either - the only problem I can imagine having is during lambda crate runs. How do you hold up there?

Also, does gang war benefit from interface damage procs?

Noticed Luck of the Gamblers were on sale starting today too.

Yeah I am level 53 now, I went with Spectral and haven't converted to villain yet to respec into Scorpion.

Let's see, I went with Agility to get +rech and +def - I assume the end mod helps the pets too, but if left on dummies they still empty out after a bit.

Went with Spectral for exotic damage and possible immobilization for burn patches.

Went with Barrier.

Went with Drones - thematic, aoe, added defense from the buffer drone, etc

Tier 3 so far in all of it.

OH - Seeker Drones do not proc anything, according to Arbiter Hawk. That's bugged. No procs work with Seekers, not Interface, not enhancement procs.

Yeah I am at tier 3, it isn't noticeable, but I figure why not - Spectral does the same damage as Preemptive and Reactive (without the -res of course.)

You might be right about end mods - but does SB make pets have unlimited end? If so, then it should be enhanceable. It would kinda suck if pets can only have end reduction enhanceable. I mostly wanted it for recharge and defense.

Hmm, that's unfortunate, but again, makes zero diff since Agility gives recharge and defense, which I would think is the main goals a bot/traps or a thugs/traps should shoot for over everything else.

EDIT: actually, without the respec into Scorp shield, you can see me run around a little with my character here, although this is also before I hit 53 as I was discussing initial thoughts on the two versions of Hybrid and waiting for an iTrial queue.

Ok here is what I managed on Live. Many of the items were due to what was available on the market at the time or due to the amount of money I had at the time. If I do make the 8+ day journey to villainside and back to grab Web Envelope and Scorpion Shield, where do I grab slots from - Caltrops and Web Grenade and perhaps Scorp shield could be 5 slotted while keeping the LOTG in one of those 5 - maybe that's what I should do.

What do you think?

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Assuming you're looking for minimal changes I'd go with something like this

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I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30))
Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.

Cool, yeah, but I need to ask, all those bonuses in Gang War - I assume that is only if you have at least one out and alive to get all those?

EDIT: nvm, got it, the answer is no

This is what I ended up with, the only difference is that Trip Mine is replaced with Power Boost and I didn't feel like remaking the entire build from scratch in Mids. I really like the Acid Mortar and Poison Trap procs:


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Super Punx: Level 50 Technology Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Traps
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Thugs -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg:50(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx:50(3), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(3), BldM'dt-Acc:50(5), BldM'dt-Dmg:50(5), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx:40(7)
Level 1: Web Grenade -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg:50(A)
Level 2: Caltrops -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 4: Triage Beacon -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx:50(A), H'zdH-Heal/Rchg:40(7), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(9), Dct'dW-Heal:50(11), Dct'dW-Rchg:50(11)
Level 6: Equip Thugs -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 8: Maneuvers -- GftotA-Def:40(A), Krma-Def/EndRdx:30(17), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(17), RedFtn-Def:50(19)
Level 10: Acid Mortar -- JavVoll-Dam%:50(A), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg:30(19), AnWeak-Acc/Rchg:50(21), ShldBrk-%Dam:30(21), LdyGrey-%Dam:50(23), Posi-Dam%:50(23)
Level 12: Call Enforcer -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(27), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx:50(25), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx:50(25), BldM'dt-Dmg:50(15), DefBuff-I:50(27)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 16: Force Field Generator -- RedFtn-Def:50(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(29), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(31), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(31)
Level 18: Gang War -- RechRdx-I:50(A), SCotMastermind-Rchg/PetAoEDef:50(31), C'Arms-+Def(Pets):30(39), EdctM'r-PetDef:40(43), SvgnRt-PetResDam:50(45), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets):50(50)
Level 20: Poison Trap -- RechRdx-I:50(A), Lock-Rchg/Hold:50(33), NrncSD-Dam%:30(33), Lock-%Hold:50(33), G'Wdw-Dam%:50(34), UbrkCons-Dam%:50(34)
Level 22: Tactics -- AdjTgt-ToHit:50(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg:50(34), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx:50(36)
Level 24: Aid Other -- Dct'dW-Rchg:50(A), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx:50(37), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(37), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(37), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(39)
Level 26: Call Bruiser -- CotMastermind-Acc/Dmg:50(A), CotMastermind-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(29), CotMastermind-Dmg/EndRdx:50(39), CotMastermind-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(40), CotMastermind-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(40), S'bndAl-Build%:50(42)
Level 28: Seeker Drones -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg:50(A), Stpfy-Stun/Rng:50(42), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx:50(42), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg:50(43)
Level 30: Assault -- EndRdx-I:50(A), EndRdx-I:50(40)
Level 32: Upgrade Equipment -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 35: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(43), RechRdx-I:50(50)
Level 38: Scorpion Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), RedFtn-Def:50(45), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(45), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg:50(46), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46)
Level 41: Web Envelope -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg:50(A), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob:50(46), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx:50(48), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(48), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob:50(50)
Level 44: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 47: Combat Jumping -- Krma-ResKB:30(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(48)
Level 49: Trip Mine -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Supremacy
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 4: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 4: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(13)
Level 4: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 4: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), EndMod-I:50(13), P'Shift-End%:50(15)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
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I'd really make a point of getting the Achilles proc into Acid Mortar, considering how good it is at applying it. That's all I really see that stands out to me - granted I'm going on my fourth day of alternating all-nighters at this point (finals suck).

I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30))
Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.