Desitre

Great point, I'm probably going to edit that thank you.

I totally agree with you, although my typing may not be the best, I agree that a wall of text is very annoying.In a second I'm going edit this post and reply to Darkness using your edit because it's sooo much easier to read lol.

Okay.
1. for the first paragraph, huh? By saying anyone who, and I quote,"Anyone who distracts the mobs, debuffs them to death or controls them in order to make it safe for the team to handle without taking the Alpha is a Tank." This sounds like your describing a friggin troller man. You really need to grasp an Idea of what a tank.

2. Again I must say huh?!?!?! Are you telling me that all the person with the star says is go in there tank and do your thing? That is definately not a leader. Yeah the leader may say that but the leader only says that when the team is ready...like after the other teammates are ready and have finished doing what they need to do. EX: Buffing, confusing the crowd, or even just getting pets out.

3. "Too slow=boring" yeah if your an out of control 10 year old ADD kid sheesh man. Sometimes a team need to move fast and then sometimes a team needs to move slow. You can't always use the same tactic of running in head first with a tank leading the charge...people DIE!!!!

4. Only correct thing you have said, for describing one situation in the game!!! There is alot more going on behind the scenes of this and you would know that if you played other classes besides a tank. (You are correct on trollers doing double duty but other classes just don't have one role.)

5. I am not saying that you have to move at turtle speed. I am saying that you can't let the tank decide for the whole team how fast the team should go because the tank can "handle the mobs" You must understand that other classes in the game are not as strong as the tank and can't handle as much as the tank can. A tank needs to take in consideration of what his team mates and their skill sets can handle. A tank is not doing that if he is judging the pace of the team by comparing it to his limits as you have said here:
A tank is suppose to take the damage for the team, not just decide for the team "Hey all, I'm going to go run in there because I'm a tank and can't die. Oh and good luck to you all because I think you guys are moving too slow and we need to get this thing on the road!!!"

You are mixing up the idea of leading the team with being the guy in front of the line.

I am still in full support of my first answer to this thread: *The mm was just an example.*

EDITED after post #15 because Thirty Seven pointed out a good point. "and they can't run in at all lol." found in the quote of myself is incorrect and should be changed to: They usually are not the person on the team who is running into the fight head first.

Well I gotta say Grits lol quite the achievements there. I mainly play a Fire/fire and came back to the game to find that my toon has been completely nerfed and needed a full respec. From my understanding WP is very similar to invul. So this is great news for my brute thank you.

Ahh yeah. I was just curious about like what the average a wp/ss could take because I'm currently working on a Wp/ss brute.(EDIT: I know brutes are different from tanks just like to get a feel) he's 33 and I'm loving him. What I usually do to test how much my tanker can take, I go into ae and create custom but similar to what you would see in game and I'll see how many I can take when thier powers are on normal, then how many I can take on Extreme.

Most the time though I see what my greatest weakness is and then I'll create a few AVs that address exactly what my weakness is and see how many of those I can take(not many though lol)

Although you gave a pretty dang good answer, is the tank your talking about your stone?

Okay I disagree with you on the stuff I quoted. You are making it sound like the tank is the most needed AT in the game and is the back bone of all teams and that is extremely untrue. Although this may work occasionally it is not always the best way to lead a team. A team is only as strong as it's weakest member not as it's tank. If you have the tank setting the pace and constantly rushing into things doing things his own way people are going to die. You are using the tank as a vary narrow and limited AT by playing your tank like this. Trust me I started playing this game in Oct. of 2005 and throughout the years I have seen many many different tanking styles. Although this may be common for you, this usually leads to the fall of a team, especially if it's a PuG.

Now if someone else has the star and you think the tank is leader your dead wrong and I'm sorry. If people are listening to the tank and not the leader you are going to end up with split teams.

There is just so many things wrong with your post and by using this post as advice is limiting your team and their powers. A team needs to work together, learning how they can benefit from each other and go into problem and be their FULL POTENTIAL, not what the tank can do.

I created a tank and thought I was a good leader, but when I created an Empath I truly saw how things were on the support side of the team. Then I made a troller and I saw how they helped the team. A good leader understands his team and does not limit their abilities to match his own.

What I meant was just because your leading the group into battle head first, your not necessarily "leading" the team. A MM is always playing the role of a leader because they are leading their soldiers/robots whatever and giving them commands. yeah, A Tank can be a leader, hell look at Super Man, he's a tank and is a leader, but not all tanks can be leader.

I honestly think that the best place for the leader to be is in the back behind the lines so he/she can see what is going on. It really is all about your leading styles though. A tank doesn't really need the leadership buffs, and only the people near him can get the buffs, and those people are very few(usually scrappers unless you are in a cramped room). A defender/troller or even a blaster who is in the back of the group, would benefit more from the buffs.

As a side note, A PB or WS who are very balanced classes would both benefit from having leadership and since the PB and WS play so many different roles, they could adjust their playing style so they are near the people who currently need the buffs in the situation.

Okay I agree that every class has a purpose but like what people have been saying throughout this entire thread, this is a thread to make an absolutely useless class and I was only giving suggestions.

I believe that if you are going to make an absolute useless class, when choosing your AT choose defender or a scrapper. Scrappers do not benefit the team in any way besides that they can do damage, which every other class in the friggin game can do, or a defender which has been made into a useless AT. there's atleast one AT that can do what a defender can do besides becoming a D3.(When I mean make a defender dont use empathy, kinetics, radiation, or darkness)

Good point and honestly, I have always thought of a scrapper as a 10 year old ADD kid running around pissing things off or a tanker wannabe. The only thing they are good for is soloing and being a secondary tank...but no one ever wants to be #2 so they always end up whining.


EDIT: sorry for replying Tenacious. no war needed lol and not to mention scrapper is the most common class.

but then you have a purpose, a healer. the class has to be absolutely useless.

you could always six slot brawl just for fun and also six slot rest and sprint and if you go defender get some crappy random power pools but don't get a travel power.

Try a defender, they have made it the most useless class in game because any archetype can do what they do better. The only thing that a defender can do that no other class can do is be a Darkness darkness defender, which is an awesome and ultimate hybrid class. Try a archery/archery defender, they are completely useless because the archery blasters out do them.

Always nice to see someone new to the game welcome

1. SS is very common and nice because it offers a lot of knockdowns and like the other people mentioned rage. Also there is Fire melee. Not many people know too much about fire melee in pvp because fire isn't commonly seen in pvp. Fire will add a lot of damage out put but if you are going against another tank(Brute) it's most common for you to die because they always have such high fire resistance. Mace is also a pretty fun selection.

Also I can't remember if tanks get electric melee or not but if they do those are very nice choices for the "Area of Effect" damages and the high output.

2. Never think that you are forced to take certain primary. I strongly suggest creativity and customization. Although INVUL. and WP are prolly your best bet I suggest playing what you like. In CoH not all tankers play the same.

For Example: Fire/Fire uses the most tactics and gives a certain rush when playing because there is a higher risk you will die and you can't just charge into the crowd, you usually have to herd or something else. I also know that stone stone tankers are the completely opposite of fire fire but not good choice for pvp because they move as fast as a rock and tp can be a hassle in pvp because you have enemies that can run away from you. Shield is a pretty fun choice as well because of the damage and you are focusing on deflection.

Those are just some examples. Invul and WP play very similar though and are great choices for pvp but never feel held down and feel like you have a limited selection.


I hope that helps and sorry if I gave too much info it's hard to just some up all this stuff. Again glad to have another member in CoH and hope you have as much fun as I have had.

Since WP doesn't have a self heal, what I plan on doing is getting the self heal from the medicine pool and getting tough and weave just so I'm insanely strong. The reason I am getting the self heal is sometimes I find myself wishing for one when I'm taking on a mass amount of enemies. I think it is always worth it to check out the pool powers and not stay so strictly to your power sets. The pools are there for you choose from them and it's a great idea just to check them out and see if it fits your play style. Tough and Weave always are a great choice for any tank/brute and the self heal is a great idea for WP because we don't have one.

Fitness is always a must on any toon especially if you steamroll. I have been playing since 05 and have always kept fitness. The nice thing about wp is the two auto powers fast healing and quick recovery, so fitness isn't needed as much but is still very beneficial. and I strongly suggest getting it because when I have it, I never run low on end and hp really on a WP toon.

lol yeah the auto sk thing did help out alot for this event. I had a lot of fun on my lvl 50 fire fire tanker-Desi Boy- with you guys. hopefully we can get tanker tuesday to come to pinnacle again!

thanks I'm new to these tanker Tuesday things and the calendar thing is great!

I'll have to make a tanker on justice and champion it seems like since that takes up the first half of the tanker Tuesdays!

I also agree with the sticky statement