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Wouldn't be conceptually cool for tankers to get the best leadership bonuses? Nothing else would change, it just seems cool for the tank (usually leading everyone else) to also possess strong leadership skills, rather than defenders who fight, usually, from the back.

I've never played a tank past level 8 where as I've played many defenders up, so I'm not just trying to promote my personal favorite AT.

The tanker can't do everything man lol I honestly dont have space for a mastery pool let alone a leadership pool. Anyways think of it this way, most leaders in war don't charge in, they lead the team and give them orders, mm is a great leader class, and they can't run in at all lol.

EDITED after post #15 because Thirty Seven pointed out a good point. "and they can't run in at all lol." is incorrect and should be changed to: They usually are not the person on the team who is running into the fight head first.

Don't most leaders lead from the back? They're less likely to get killed there.

Tankerminds aside, most Masterminds don't lead the charge, their HENCHMEN lead the charge. Which tells you were the folks who lead the charge sit on the totem pole.

Seriously, I've always assumed that any AT can be a leader, that's why Leadership is available to everyone. Leadership may not be that strong with Blasters, but one of my Blasters has it, because in her version of my main team she happens to be the one that takes the lead. She's a detective, and pretty much the one who brought the team together.

And really, Defenders are the best at Leadership, then Controllers and Corruptors, then Dominators and Masterminds. Kheldians sit between Controllers and Masterminds, while SoA, I assume, are up there with Defenders. (Actually, their Def buffs are the same as Defenders, but they get Controller levels with Tactics and Assault)

Everyone else is pretty much on equal footing, and only about 5-10% below the MMs. So I don't look at it as leadership ABILITY as much as where you stand in the fight. The meleers are up front, and can't really see the battle as a whole, like the rear ranks can. And the Blasters are too busy keeping their butts alive.

rule number from fight club

1. always follow tank
2. remember rule #1

regardles of has star..the tanker (or tank proxy) is the lead!

Tank sets pace..tank knows his limits and will push party forward...any time u have other ATs running ahead..and expecting tank to save them..they are wrong..(exception are scrappers- they have their own agenda and pace) I won't save a scrapper on my tank unless i can do so without losing agg or hurting myself or party.

if every AT follows tank (main tank) then there will be no confusion...blaster cant save u if u make a bad turn..scrappers generally dont have the taunts to effectively pull aggro off someone (shield and invul are exceptions) even a defender will lose the war of attrition of damage incoming on a wayward blaster and heals applied.

Tanks have the tools and the staying power to make a wrong turn or accidently aggro a mob. tanking is a mind set and not an AT.
tanks are first in door..and last to leave mission..make sure squishies are all safe and accounted for. tanks also take note of npc runners. and make sure they are killed or taunted when they return.

ok enuff of me and my tank soap box.

perhaps u missed the part where i say tank is a mindset not an AT...any one u distracts the mob or debuffs them to death or controls them and makes it safe for the team to handle mob without alpha strike= tank. and if tank doesn't have star...what is the leader going to say on every mob..."OK tank go in we are rdy" this is slow and unnecessary..if tank sets pace u will quickly figure out how best support him...i feel contstantly pressured to press forward..even though there are straggler mobs. Seems to me tanking is an art of pacing team, monitoring aggro, and knowing when to advance to next spawn when mob size and remaining danger is minimal where team can clean up. too slow = boring... i feel if tank keeps quick pace and mobs are dying fast and tank is pushing the team wipe edge..then all toons have a blast. the healers are healing..scrappers/blasters are killing like mad..trollers/defs are doing double duty controlling and buff/debuffing.. i hate waiting for buffs b4 a mob rush.. just buff in combat as team should be reasonably close enuff (not to close to tank --mob AOE) to tank for all to get buffed. buff on way as i say...i did posi in 2.5 hours on 8 man team...that was a killer pace pre-i16 everyone had fun...and i knew when to push envelope. sometimes it goes bad and 1-2 die...but it was rare and the pace wasnt "too safe" and boring.

*shakes head*
I can't believe I actually read all of that.

Basically? Wall of Text = Bad. Try to use line breaks, also, there is a key (called [Shift]) that makes some letters capitalized. Generally, these are important words, and they also tend to begin sentences. Also, articles are your friends too, words like "a" and "the."

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Originally Posted by Darkness3221 Perhaps you missed the part where I said that Tanking is a mindset not an AT... Anyone who distracts the mobs, debuffs them to death or controls them in order to make it safe for the team to handle without taking the Alpha is a Tank. And if the Tank doesn't have the star? What is the leader going to say on every mob: "OK, Tank, go in we are ready"? ‘Tis slow and unnecessary. If the Tank sets the pace, you will quickly figure out how best to support him. I feel constantly pressured to press forward, even though there are straggler mobs. It seems to me that tanking is an art of pacing the team, monitoring agro and knowing when to advance to the next spawn (which is when the mob size and remaining danger is minimal). Too slow = Boring I feel if the Tank keeps a quick pace and mobs are dying quickly and the tank is pushing onward, toward the team-wipe-edge then the team will have a blast: the Defenders are doing their thing, the Scrappers/Blasters are killing like mad and the Trollers are doing double duty (controlling and buff/debuffing). I hate waiting for buffs before a mob rush. Just buff during combat as the team should be reasonably close (but not too close to the Tank due to mobs’ AOEs) to the tank for all to get buffed. Buff on the way as I say. I did a Posi TF in 2.5 hours on an 8 man team...that was a killer pace pre-i16! Everyone had fun... and I knew when to push the envelope. Sometimes it went poorly and 1-2 would die, but it was rare and the pace wasn’t "too safe" and therefore boring.

I tend to simply act as point as a Tanker, this can mean leading the assault or aid the assault for non Scrappers (I really don't worry about them).

For me it's not quite leading because I still have to base my play around the powersets that other people have and it's quicker if you don't have to ask. Being that I have every powerset I don't ask how to play, I just play like I would want to see me play from the other characters perspective. Different people have different ideas on dynamics and sometimes what can be expected doesn't happen.

While I think its a nice thought the OP suggested (maybe post in the Suggestions forum) and certainly, there have been times I wished the leadership numbers were better for certain ATs but its certainly something I can live with.

As for the 'lead' AT in a group the tendency is follow the tank but its not a hard written rule. But generally folks defer to the tank to open the battle. I can't count how many times I've appreciated a skilled tank setting the pace of the group especially when coordinating a tf. This type of coordination can often be seen with those regularly teaming with a core group of players.

Really, most missions don't really need actual leading (as in handing out instructions, prep work) because its generally straight forward. Even most tfs/sfs are like that. However, when you take into account "Master of..." runs, then we're talking a different animal.

For me, when I build a Master TF team I take the role of tf leader seriously which means prepping the team and getting everybody on the same page which is critical for success whether I am a controller or tanker or another AT.

Apart from the name, the Leadership toggles don't have anything to do with leading a team.

Its like assuming that all superstrength characters are angry because they use a power called Rage.