Demetrios Vasilikos

Now I understand your complaints. As a person who mainly has spent his years of off and on play since 04, leading pug tfs, I am very aware of how many people dont run tfs very often, and have a fairly low opinion of them due to some very bad first experiances.

Saying that, I am not among those who have issue with the original TFs or Commander TFs due to the accolade.

I have run and loved posi,syn,sister,citadel,(ok I dislike manticore but mainly personal reasons towards the character, and being mainly pro crey) and numina are all tfs I have enjoyed running countless times. Each character I have ever made has ALWAYS run each of those at level for thier first times. Heck since year one is was pretty much sop run a syn at 15 and be 20 by the end if there wasnt a mentor for you, or if you where a empath who was typically allowed to be PLVd out of sheer kindness.

Even now last time i ran a synapse in a reasonable hour and 28 minutes with 2 friends and a pugger, one of the non 50s on the team gained 3 levels during the run. Seemed very reasonable reward for the time all things considering.

I know there is some contempt for speed runs. But its unfair because it is just another form of challenge, encouraged by the challenge system. I know few who have experianced a gold medal synapse, those who run with me for thier first time rarely get to experiance otherwise, and are frequently quite grateful. those who have run it before are likewise and say how fun and painless it was compared to thier typical experiance.

As for posi. I wont deny the new 2 part story arc is fun, my character of the same name as my forum handle revels in soloing doc vahz at the end of part two as the rest of the team fights to clear and disable the bombs. Whenever I meet a new player who hasnt run it yet who has an interest to I immediatly log on to dem and form one for them.

However I also frequently for pure enjoyment and personal time challenge run posi original via flashback still. personal best time is 58 minutes and I am sure i can still do better. If they do revamp other TFs as they did posi, which I am not against, they best still give a similar option to access the originals, and ideally in a way I can still run them first time for a new character AT LEVEL! still annoyed I always have to have an exemp build or running old posi now. by a lvl I inevitbly have started IOing out at least with procs and specials. Id prefer all those tfs give the OPTION at the contact so the leader can choose which.

Also TFs like the all clock and all freak and all council ones are definatly among my faves for certain concept characters just as easy access to content that fits them. My psions revel in synapse, My mere humans love to take on council, my electrokineticist simply cant get enough freak frying action in in a day.

So while I get while it can be dull, to be fair there are many who enjoy facing a constant enemy group rather then it changing up often with less ryhme or reason then some might think. I still wont waste time on any TF that poorly portrays crey as less then the awesome independant world dominating force they are.

In otherwords careful waht you ask for because if they where revamping manti id be on these forums demanding upgrades to the PPs that would return them to the days when one would have most players experiance a darkening of pants on par with that nightmare of a wonder woman movie linkara reviewed.

Personal reasons usually in that I have a 50 or come close to capping and deleting for not being to my taste are the only reasons i tend not to use power sets in future builds.

Many of my most dusty toons tend to share a set with one of my 50s and hence make leveling them both easier due to familiarity with the set, but dull because I already know exactly what each power does, no new fresh fun feel effect to make it enjoyable to keep leveling.

I also have to LOL at some of the people in this threads comments on certain sets.

Psi blast is THE BEST set for blasters short of the new dark blast. All math aside, its mix of control effects when tactically applied, and built well is always a dominant force in any mission solo or group. My own psi/ment blaster is so beyond what most consider a blaster capable of largely because how I use his soft controls nearly as effectively as a dominator or controller will be in the hands of any but the most veteran players of those ATs.

Kinetics. Even with Time Manipulation, Kinetics is a set with no real equal. be it for a support build or an offender it is THE SET I look for most on would be allies when I form a TF. Give me a kin and a bubbler over ANYTHING else anyday. Oh and empaths are just a LOL like anything worth running cant heal itself damn fine anymore.

Outside of those things, no set is really useless. Some have sub optimal sets to combo with but even those in the hands of one with experiance can be made to wreak devistation among the most formidable foes.

Ill be honest since COV first came out I was always annoyed by villain ATs because they had little to nothing to do with many of the old well known vil groups we had grown to have fondness for as we had beat them down over and over as heroes.

For example I wanted to love master minds, I tried every set. couldnt get into any of them because they are generic and none really fit with any vil group. Id of given anything for a Tsoo master mind who was like a sorcerer with tsoo type pets rather then a ninja. A banished pantheon type shaman with BP pets instead of necromancer, an eidelon with vahzilok instead of robots, etc.

As for others. I still want to play something like some of the tsoo have. martial arts and kinetics. Sounds like a scrapper version of a corruptor to me and I bet would be tons of fun to have a melee primary dps class, with self/team support 2ndaries.

Also as for someone talking about thier ideal sniper. I myself since COV launch felt blasters biggest need was instead of defiance or maybe added to, a stealth/ AS function in all thier 2ndaries and a new longer range snipe. maybe even granting blasters some form of superior visibility as well if possible.

Easy Answer. Its all a nemesis plot and the civvies are actually nembots.

Oh and the rocks are a form of energy sapping meteor that effects ALL forms of power. Like Universal kryptonite.

I still find this whole debate odd. If your concept makes fighting certain mobs seem beneath you and them having the ability to threaten you is ruining your groove, then avoid that content. Simple.

If your concept is one that being less then full power is an issue, then lvl your character using a generic name, and then do a name change once you got all his incarnate stuff done. There is nothing in the way of a mystery here as to how to make the game fit your needs.

My points earlier about things like AE are all part of the same thing. Even RPers tend to stick to thier SGs because surprise surprise many rpers who dont know you wont give 2 inf about your concept or plot 90% of the time.

Personally I love reading bios and sending a hey nice concept there comment. I also can be quick to say hey not to shabby but you know if your goal was to be in sync with the game world you may want to change certain things. Not like I started knowing everything about the game, my first characters where very D&D related. mostly dark elves. However it didnt take me long to get a handle on the lore as I was reading every clue and contacts info as I ran through the game on my first long ago deleted dark elven blaster. By the 30s I had a good grasp on alot of interesting in game plots I could draw from to develop a character that felt like a PART of the world I was playing in.

It might be my character but its thier campaign setting still. If I was at the table top and the DM said we're playing in a dark sun campaign this time Id not go hey can I be a red robe kender mage from pre cataclysm krynn. At least if I did and the DM said no Id get why. But a good DM might go hey in this world of athas we are playing on, once upon a time in its own pre cataclysm days there where halflings who are very advanced in magics not seen today. Maybe we could find a way to let you be one of them if you can avoid abusing any possible OP advantages we find it gives.

I do something like that in COX alot. especially with demon type characters. so many use generic or christian based concepts for thier demons and it really just never jells with the image and idea I get from COX for demonkind. Heck I see demons as being actually unfairly viewed as evil, IMO they just make deals, and do not take the breaking of such pacts lightly. They came to humanities aid to defeat the zealot followers of a gawd who sought to enslave all of earth. When those who made the pact that brought them betrayed it, they took the balance of that price from those who had called for the alliance in the first place.

The vast majority of cox lore is like that to me, easily seen from a number of views. I have a heroic wizard who often praises tielekku because its hard for him to see the circle of thorns and demons as anything but evil. Depending on the character I play I argue either view quite passionatly in game rpwise.

If you try to force the game to be YOUR game it will likely break before it gives you what your after. Should you try to compromise and become a part of the world you will find it bending its knee to you before you even think to ask.

How tickled do you think I was for example when I was playing my character demetrios Vasilikos, a next gen paragon protector with a memory core made from a doc vahz dna sample, when he was running through the FIrst Ward content the first time and ofcourse had read 0 spoilers. I knew the ghoul king was the praetorian version of doc vahz ofcourse. But demetry and demetry fighting side by side, seeing how his fate played out. it was like having a bit of brand new content made just for me. That is the pay off from Lore Based RP concepts and i wish some of my fellow RPers here complaining about the game breaking thier immersion would try to learn to adapt to and simply ignore those parts that dont feel right for a given concept best they can.

FYI I am not saying how the incarnate system is perfect as is. I do believe a better soloable option for it should exist, but for now if u just use WSTs and conver shards to threads, slow and steady will get you up in tiers just fine.

Welcome to CoX!. I know its not always fun to hear but I am going to start with a you may want to consider a new server now before you get in deep.

I am not trying to diss union in any way. each server is well populated, some lighter then others admittedly, but the main reason is you mention an interest in RP.

Well RP has its haters, this is no secret, so for pretty much the life span of COX we have mainly gathered on Virtue as the unofficial RP server. We have plenty of room for non RPers to but those who play on virtue are expected to respect others RP even if its odd random in character babble in a pug tf or even momma ship raid or ITrial. In my travels through other servers lets just say such casual immersion can be met with a blank face or even outright hostility. And that isnt thier fault really. We RPers got virtue and should be glad we have such a strong community there.

If you do come to virtue there are many light to heavy ranged SGs in many themes. Also its a place where making your own small lore based SGs is greatly respected and though it can take years for a single casual player to build a good sized base. with a few friends and all your characters in it, it can go much faster and you can expect a good sized base within your first 6 months of regular play. faster if you figure it out faster

I rep Crey Global Enterprises, and Midnighters's Club blue side for lore based rp sgs, and Circle of Thorns red side. I founded them all to with the following characters.

Count Alphonse Crey, Bentley Berkeley, and T'Keron Valmaz. not all on the same accounts. My sg are not large in fact these days most are pretty much long time in between casuals and I man a mainly ghost sg but i dont mind our rp allows for easy casual with random folks and the concept has rather well mirrored the way the world has changed through issues.

Also Id actually suggest you start with a praetorian, for 1-20 content that still really is the best of thier newest breed. Allows for a easy rp progression into a red or blue or better yet a rogue or vig so u can experiance alot more content your first time through. I love running with new players through story arcs myself exemeped down frequently, and Also no few good AE arcs exist that are story based.

A short 1 mish story driven one I made long ago is numbered 46665, has a half hour clock on it and is suitable for any either side concepts to run. read the clues as you find them and dont think fighting is always the best option.

oh and before I forget paragonwiki, not for spoilers for missions, always best to go in blidn the first time imo, but to research content. for example if you want to play a demon lots of cox specifics for those and alot more interesting to rp with then some generic angel/devil from real world theology.

Or say you like the dark powers. Lots of lore both magic and science on how you could be aquiring those, red and blue characters who could of been mentors or the like. Seeing those kinds of well thought out concepts using lore can really make for a smooth bit of random RP with total strangers.

Obvious example: Hey that is nice power armor you got there my new friend."

Oh thanks, I was a fire man who was badly burned saving some children from a burning building, positron was so kind as to help repair my body with the gift of this life support armor."

Good ol posi. That guy made this arm for me after I got it bitten off by a giant eyeball during this crazy extra dimensional invasion a few years back."

You dont say a giant eyeball? I saw a guy with some of those chasing after him the other day in talos."

Bad day to be that guy then those things can bite through impervium"

the above is a very basic example of how two strangers familiar with even abit of cox lore about a few icon characters and events we had in the past, can use it to fuel a light RP session out of the blue without a great risk of it devolving into personal RP drama the other has no real interest in, or random im so great blah blah blah talk which are both sadly about the most common forms of random rp you will find still.

Look for tags in Bios like Lore RP, MRP, and Story RP. ERP is well blatantly saying your after some cyber action, ARP is that to a lesser extent, and then the RP with a blank is like saying I dont have a real idea nd like to use a new story with every random stranger.

I being a big lore based RPer on virtue with most characters vig,or rogue for concept purposes but also someone who understands limited play time due to rl constraints and disposable income can recognize both sides of this debate fairly clearly.

On the one hand non rp vets who are sick of taking time to do the change wanted a fast option, given one that requires RL cash, it offends for a variety of reasons. Mostly as a cash grab, and want equally fast in game play options. Which ofcourse would undermine the whole reason to have to pay for an insta change in the first place.

On the other is the RPers who see it as well a cash grab, but are offended because they feel it by allowing that fast out of game play option to swap, destroys and even belittles thier own system. effectively putting profit before game play quality for players.

My Suggestion:

To keep the current in game system, force those who want it quick and easy to pay for it, and to be sure to use some of that funding to expand our beloved alignment story content for RPers. More arcs for each level range, maybe one for each origin. Dont know about you but Id like to see our origins mean something again and I think alignment arcs are a great place to start.

My kryptonian build actually is a Human form PB using only melee attacks with the exception of eye beams. The right pools, sets, and a full team of cosmic balance buffs, and you can feel very superman like. And thier one biggest gap once upon a time in human form of lacing solid mez pro is easily removed with clarion incarnate now.

Though maybe an SS/Regen brute with the right pools and incarnate is more superman when you think about just how undying he really is meant to be.

I think it stems from several factors as to why so many seem to hate content some just roll through and move past like any other part of the game.

For one COX is very solo friendly. This is one of its greatest strengths to be honest imo. However when players long used to, maybe even spoiled by the ease such content has in that it lacks a need for real strategy and creates real challenge.

Now While I hate how they end with fighting characters that shouldnt be any tougher AVs then when we used to solo them in certain story arcs instead of some fun battle of epic proportians pitting us against like upwards of a dozen AVs at once that you needed to seperate to avoid them buffing each other etc, you know like 8 on 8 would to me be more heroic feeling.

I love how effective the incarnate powers are at doing what IMO they are meant to do. Let me feel more powerful then I was, without breaking the old content entirely.

For years some of my favorite TFs are in the shadow shard. except doc Qs I run the rest fairly often, especially those with a lvl 50 cap. These TFs have long been feared by many because of the heavy def debuff, psi dmg, and CC heavy power of the ruls which tear into some of the most hardy of tanks and scrappers.

Even now many newer players, or poor man builds, struggle to survive there, and when i run TFs I can often see long before looking at thier build info, the issues hindering them. Some seek to learn how to become stronger, some say its thier concept and it wont be changed for any reason.

As a Lore Based RPer I understand concept desire, but refuse to let it force me into making an inferior character anymore then I let the so called optimal power comboes be my reason for picking sets. For example I have a many years old and frequently shelved dark sr and dark regen. both are fun concepts and do fit the power sets i chose, but the sets despite being among the most godly combos just feel dull.

My Psi/Ment blaster who most say is the most gimped of blaster sets for dps is imo the best character I have, and he outperforms id guess humbly 90% of ALL other players I run with if not more.

Nor do I see an issue with I trials themselves making us have to use our new powers wisely. However I do understand the feeling of frustration that can occur when a large group based activity is easily ruined by one person, be it through ignorance, accident, or intent.

This is why imo I trials need a different system to punish. Like a lengthy lockdown in a cell. for example using extreme powers like flashy aoes gets you targeted by a insta kill sat laser. you end up in a cell that is nigh impossible to escape from. requiring several allies. Now the main team has to lose members to save the lost one or move on without him. This would be a good way to have those griefing get shut down, while those who screw up by accident or first time can be shown mercy and those helping can feel more heroic.

Personally I dont tie the RP of being incarnated up with the trials at all, they are just big war stories that after one time have been done as far as the story goes. I actually prefer for RP reasons to just grab WST notices and convert them slow and steady style. might take a while but my characters get where they need and do so doing alot of the content ive always enjoyed.

I always wanted to see PVP become something good. However I am not sure it is a justified expense of DEV time anymore.

Flawed thinking imo on the parts of players is what lead to the situation we have now. Issues like tanks wanting to be able to tank large groups of players for example was an oxy moron or hulk like proportions.

When 2 players fight it needs to feel like its two super beings doing battle. This is hard to recreate as we have seen.

I can recall perhaps 3 good pvp experiances imo in COX since vil side was launched so long ago.

My first was right after cov came out. I was running an Energy melee/energy aura brute. I was beset upon by a group of 4 heroes.

a tank,blaster,defender, and scrapper. It was a fierce battle and it proved how well made vil ATs had been made for solo/pvp play for I beat down all 4 of them, several multiple times, as they fought to bring me down.

I was lvl 28 and it was in bloody bay.

Although I frequently went to BB for fresh shivans and a break up from the mish grind I would not again face much pvp for some time.

Then one day I was grabbing a fresh shiv with my psi/ment blaster who remains my best 50 perhaps to date and a blaster with no equals among his AT.

I found myself being fired upon by a ruptor as I went in for a met frag. I turned upon him and quickly began to turn the tides and he started to flee. Feeling my blood heating up for a battle I persued. As I overtook him I suddenly found myself facing a pack of foes, as he had friends waiting stealthed, including an MM.

Things looked dire as a hold landed, however I always pack with forsight and popped a breakfree, it phase and jump pack and evacced high into the sky.

They where utterly surprised by my escape and I actually recieved several complimentary tells from those villains impressed by my quick counter to thier planned ambush.

My 3rd was when I was on my claw/wp scrapper one day. Sitting afk in Ozone I came back to my keys and saw a sparking little girl next to me. I said hey sparky see anything you like? My character was invised and I was just making a punny to be friendly.

For some reasn being called sparky really fired up this little elec troller. She challenged me to a duel right on the spot, my first ever in cox at the time lol.

I accepted, and funny enough first thing she said as it began was " Wtf I thought you where a blaster. I was like um not last I checked unless claws are suddenly a blaster primary.

She sucker punched me as I said that, doing her damndest to sap me down, and nearly did before I tore her throat out. round 2 I wasnt fully recovered when she came back using all her sap mojo to bring down my toggles and land a cc. she managed to drop me that time.

learned my lesson though and as I got back up the gloves came off. I went at her like a torpedo and took her apart doing wolverine and all other claw men proud.

She demanded I face her pvp specced brute next to which I simply laughed and logged off for the moment as I had been planning to when Id first come back to the keys before our exchange.

Seeing as other games like AOC in thier first months offered me many awesome and intense moments of pvp before that games devs too gave up on appeasing the fickle players, I cant see COX ever getting to that point when my quality experiances here in pvp over all these years are so few and far between.

I personally love the rogue/vigilante option and choose it for most of my concept characters.

Also a number of red side SFs are really quite well done and its a shame they are so rarely run even on virtue. I have been trying to lead more on my main red sider T'Keron Valmaz who is a rogue for RP purposes as well as the fun of having access to the full game world.

That last is the real reason I favor it. Between both sides and praetoria we actually have a really large well developed world to explore and enjoy. I also spend a fair bit of time hanging out at the D and its nice to be able to freely travel to either side with new friends I make for RP reasons.

Granted I do feel the loss of hero/vil merits is a pretty major drawback. When you consider thier real value these days, the dummied down merit rewards from the comic series seem especially harsh.

1 hero merit is easily worth the 50 reward merits you pay to convert. Yet you get no where near that many merits as a rogue/vigilante when completing alignment cycles, nor at the end of the previously mentioned comic series.

I really dont understand the reasoning behind that design aspect, considering you cant access other side story arcs or the like via flashback as some way to gain additional merits in way that increases play of content often unused these days.

Frankly I often feel I deserve MORE for my efforts when I come over from blue side to form a tf to help red siders get abit more action going on. Or spend time over there answering questions of new players who had know way to know that red side is practically a ghost town compared to blue or even praetoria. least on virtue.

So please DEVs I personally love having the freedom to walk the full world, but dont see this as in itself enough to justify rewarding those who prefer a smaller game with more rapid gains in power.

Perhaps something like if you run a tf on the other side you get an additional reward merit bonus, no more then once a week, similar to running a wst. I feel that would help even out the reward imbalance I personally see existing between those who can and cant earn the highly valued H/V merits

I think as always those RPers lacking enough imagination are QQing for naught.

You dont have to run incarnate trials to gain mats. I have several characters who over the last few months have enjoyed the slow steady WST route to aquire notices to convert into threads and then into any mats I may need.

Ive only infact run incarnate trials with 2 characters, niether of which went into them until afte thier lvls shifts where +3 for it. I wasnt going in a burden to the team.

On the subject of Inc Powers and status. I dont have my mortal men learning them beyond a few minor perks. Or using pyro judgment as a super bomb from my batman time for those super powered big guy situations.

However among my Lore based RP characters( virtue forever) my oldest is the last of my first year characters and original main. His name is T'Keron Valmaz and he is the lord of demonkind fused in an unholy union through cosmic mishap with a mortal man of extra ordinary magical ability.

As a katana Super Reflex his power combo is not optimal, but that didnt keep me from enjoying him and pushing to 50 during the era when that was quite an achievment in itself for many builds.

I also recall that brief joy that was Perma ELude shortly after I made 39, and how it let me withstand the power of the crystal titan in eden even as my allies fell when our luck and ambrosia where stretched thin after a party wipe in our first rush.

Then came ED and then even after the rise of IOs it was hard to make his build feel as potent as say a dark SR or dark regen or kat regen. I spent alot of time tweaking and reworking his build over the years, trying to keep true to concept while finding a real measure of stand alone baddassery that would make all that time worthwhile.

Incarnate powers came and gave me the final peice of the puzzle I needed. As a weapon primary using powers like the heal pool for heal self was counter productive to fill the lack of self healing SR had. Body mastery gave me my energy recovery, but it was the power of rebirth that finally gave my character a well rounded defense set up on par with many more modern sets like WP.

On top of that Spiritual ALpha to add further to his extreme global recharge theme, his Elude is nearly Perma again.( well under 40 seconds, i can live with that down time)

When he stepped into Incarnate trials I found myself quickly eager to test him, to rise above the others. In lam I found that opportunity when I found I could often clear all the turrets while the team cleared the street and courtyard.

Hearing people ask " what happened to the turrets?" was always satisfying.

TO be blunt I find alot of people currently persuing incarnate power, or already wielding it, often are not the most effective players of thier characters, and seem to be heavily dependant on having all the incarnate powers to max tier to feel even alittle viable.

Personally if your looking for solid content to feel your new powers while still testing you by an older standard look to the shadow shard.

I find TFs run there even at level, can stress test many players to the point of rethinking thier builds even with incarnate powers buffing them up. Ruls and Storm els are not push over mobs and if your build can tear into them your definatly pushing cosmic class power. If they shred into you, no shame in that. better then you have fallen to them by the hundreds when they first came through years ago.

Part 3 hm? not sure how you can be kept from finishing that one by a griefer. They cant stop you from wiping out all the general groups, they cant stop you from killing the bot box. they cant keep you from killing the AVs.

Just odd to me. Where they like leader and jack up the dif suddenly? where they the only 50 and intenionally drop so you suddenly had only lowbies stuck with a 50 lvl mish?

First blasters dont die all the time, if the ones you know do, they are not good blasters.

Achery is among the LOLethal sets, so keep that in mind.

Now days some of the newer sets add alot to possible surival options.

Dark does to hit debuffs, sonic and rad both make them easier to beat down. Some secondaries like dark and mental offer alot of useful utility. Drain Psyche plus a heavy global recharge build can be fantastic at keeping you up.

I tend to stick with force mastery myself, lots of suvival boosting there.

Get phase shift by 20, its the new must have by 20 power IMO for blasters. takinga few seconds breather to let others take off the aggro when you get in to deep is better then letting them do it after your dead.

If you really want a character with ice and achery for concept reasons id probably suggest another AT with access to some form of archery and ice powers.

Bentley Berkeley: 50 Psi/Ment/Force blaster of virtue. Blasters can take point and point blank like a real tank.

Ill just say as I do anytime I see a thread like this pop up, is that they could easily do some batwing type vehicles I suspect, using tech we already have in game.

What tech is that you ask?

The Nova form of the Kheldians.

Imagine if you will a device with an hour of use like the jetpacks, but instead put you in a sky raid air skiff or longboy flyer. Like the nova form it could have several blasts powers to make it useful to some extent but not game breakingly powerful.

Largely they would be mostly for flavor effect and maybe some use to twink low lvl characters( making them a craft recipe for example could be interesting) but also help them out during lvl ranges when lack of powers makes it hard to be well rounded.

I have a pretty severe defination of Original Toons. For me its not just a matter of being your first character, In fact that has nothing to do with it, as most tended to make dozens of throw away test powers until lvl 6 or so toons in mass in thier first days on the game.

No my standard starts with it being that first character that felt RIGHT for you. The one who knew you where taking to 50, back when that meant something, no matter how hard the road lay before you.

The next requirment is it had to be your first 50, no matter how long it took you.

3rd and this is the mean one, to be an original main, it requires to have been made in the first year of the games life. Yeah I know so few first years are left, and so many new citizens are among us.

Well to be fair those characters who have been around that long, with players filled with lore about the game, are in thier own way Icons as deserving of new comers respect as the NPCs like Miss Liberty and Positron.

My own is named T'Keron Valmaz. A katana/SR scrapper on virtue. Based heavily on COX lore my time with him has been rich in moments of feeling as if the game was made just for me. This was especially true after CoV and finally GR to let me turn him intoa true red sider. Several SFs over there when played with my original character on the team often has other players, especially newer ones tripping out thinking I am something like a old member of the cryptic team returning to my baby incognito or something

I have 2 accounts, my younger has its own main, not an original year one hero but still very lore based, and he is in fact the one who shares the name with my forum handle.

When I run Demetrios on the revamped posi tf, part 2 I always go fight the end av solo while the team clears the bombs. Most have said there is little more epic to witness at low lvls then a battle between Doc Vahz and Demetrios Vasilikos, Creys paragon protector given a DNA memory core made from Vahz's DNA.