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Um. That won't change anything.
My protector bot runs into melee, and he doesn't even have any melee attacks. -
Quote:I happen to like that can of worms.I wasn't trying to open that particular can of worms.
It's perfectly answerable, at least in my mind.
Any act which saves more innocent lives than it destroys is a "good" act.
It's part of the reason why I struggle so much with the US decision to drop atomic bombs on Japanese civilians. I have no doubt that we destroyed less lives than were ultimately saved, but the lives that were saved were primarily our own soldiers. Civilians are not involved in the war effort; soldiers are and should understand the accompanying risks. I know it's a lot more complicated than that, especially when you consider things like Total War, or the opposite direction that our soldiers were largely drafted and thus no less innocent than civilians. Now I'm dangerously close to a political debate, so I'll have to stop here. -
Quote:It started right here, methinks.I am laughing so hard I think I ripped a few muscles on my stomach. How this thread become get WS soft-cap from help the newbie with tri-form build I wonder. :P
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Quote:Ah, there are clearly a lot of the details that have gone fuzzy in my memory. I concede, the two scenarios are very dissimilar.More to the point, look what he did before killing millions of people. He removed the nuclear war deterrent himself. If he hadn't manipulated Dr. Manhattan into flipping out on national TV, any war that would have been started never would have gotten past the opening shots. So, in a very real way, he started the war himself just so he could stop it by killing millions of innocent people.
If that doesn't scream "pure evil" I don't know what does.
Remove Ozy from the debate, however. How many innocent lives are worth sacrificing to achieve a goal to save other innocent lives? Is there a strict proportion? Kill one to save a thousand? To save ten? When does it become evil? How long does it remain good? -
Easiest way to test this in a controlled environment for yourself: Go to Atlas park where the greys always get KB'd very far. Walk up to a group of two hellions, line them up with each other and target the one in the back. The second one should be propelled towards you, but the game actually directs the KB as if it came from you anyway.
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Fair points. I'd just like to say that from my perspective, the impending war was a lot more certain than you seem to be portraying.
I'd still sign up with Ra's al Ghul in a heartbeat. That man had the right idea.
You know who else is a great "villain?" Tyler Durdin. -
Quote:I beg to differ. I wouldn't define that as evil so much as I would define it "bat-guano insane." No one "just wants to watch the world burn." The Joker has nothing to gain from his actions. To me, he's a shallow character that's unbelievable. The portrayal in the movie was incredible, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but it just doesn't make sense.2. Joker from The Dark Knight: Unlike Ozymandius, Joker is an absolute. As stated in the movie, "Some men just want to watch the world burn." So he did a lot more of the classic "evil for evil's sake." And he has some fantastic, villain defining lines, such as the interrogation room,
Then again, later in the movie,
Those quotes really capture what "absolutely evil" means to me. -
Quote:I'm guessing this post was directed at mine.Alright, I can see why you don't think that being a sociopath, kicking puppies for kicking sake, is necessarily evil.
I'm not saying that someone who kicks a puppy just to hear the sound it makes isn't evil. I'm saying that someone isn't a villain.
I like Westin Phipps as a villain. He has goals, and his methods are particularly ruthless. He seems to get too much enjoyment out of his methods, though, so he really comes across as just a bully.
The "best" villains I can cite are Ra's al Ghul from Batman and Ozymandias from The Watchmen. Al Ghul's goal is to help Gotham become a clean city and Ozy wanted to prevent another world war. Both were willing to sacrifice a lot of innocent lives to achieve those goals in the name of some "greater good." And to this day, I still really struggle with the decision of whether they were truly evil.
How do you measure the amount of good someone does for the world? When the USA dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, making major strides to end a worldwide war, the US were heroes. I don't see Ozymandias' actions as anything different, yet he was a villain? -
True villainy has to be believable.
I just don't believe that there's anyone out there who's evil "just for the sake of evil." There's always personal motives behind it. She never cared for me like I cared for her. I deserve that money. I don't deserve that money, but I want it anyway. Nobody really thinks "gee, I bet it would be amusing to kick that puppy." Those kind of villains just aren't believable to me.
I've always been enamored with the villain who believes he's doing good in the world. One of those "ends justify the means" sort of villains. Deluded or just downright convinced that it's worth thousands of lives to "save the world" from itself. -
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You seem unfamiliar with Targetted AoE knockback and its mechanics. Knockback is always applied with relation to the caster, not the center of the AoE.
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Signed as long as it has an inf cost of something like 10m attached.
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Kangstor, I'll have to look at your build later. I'm at work right now and don't have access to mids.
Quote:Call me Darth Kaison if you want, because I just don't believe it."Only Sith deal in absolutes."
Actually not QUITE correct.
It CAN be done. It's just that the build is NOT what I'd call "pretty" or even "useful".
I do not believe you can come up with a tri-form build that softcaps one type or position and still has permanent eclipse.
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Set bonuses carry over to forms.
Click powers like build up and hasten carry over to forms.
Toggle powers like leadership and shining shield do not carry over to forms.
Accolade powers can be used in forms.
Temp powers are kind of all over the place, but the majority cannot be used in forms.
Light Form is an exception to click powers. It prevents you from shifting to nova or dwarf for the duration. -
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Quote:Well, I hope my opinion counts. Much of what I say might just be rephrased from what you find in the guide, though.Well its pretty self-explanatory. I read Dechs' guide but I always prefer personal opinions rather than a guide.
Quote:What should i be aiming with a tri-form build? I already know having bazillion recharge to keep hasten and eclipse perma is a must but what else?
The next thing to go for might be some defense or +max HP. Those are really the only ways to increase your survivability beyond what Eclipse gives you. Defense will be difficult to build a significant amount of, though.
After that, you're not going to find much benefit. A few damage bonuses won't be noticed when you've got mires running. You don't need +recovery or +endurance thanks to Stygian Circle and the Performance Shifters you can throw in a build. Accuracy would be overkill for the same reason damage is, but at least accuracy multiplies the benefit of +tohit.
My favorite philosophy is to just go whole hog for recharge. If Eclipse gets overlap, that gives you room for error. More than just Eclipse benefits from recharge, of course. Once you have enough recharge, just frankenslot for effectiveness. It saves slots and allows you to spread them out to get the largest number of well slotted powers.
You're not going to softcap a warshade to even one type/position and keep the recharge required for a permanent eclipse, let alone all types or positions. It's just not possible.
If you're asking which type of defense to build, then I'd say focus on S/L. That covers the largest variety of stuff. Unless you intend to lean heavily on Nova, in which case Ranged might be better.
Quote:Should I focus on damage or try to get accuracy and let mire's handle rest?
This question is one only you can answer. Which do you prefer?
Personally, I am pretty form heavy. I rarely ever stay in human form for long.
Quote:Also I don't know which will be more effective, distributing purples among forms or keeping all of them in human?
Hecatomb can be nice for Gravity Well, since that's your hardest hitting attack, but beware that you won't be able to slot much hold. I have my Hecatomb in Dwarf Smite and some Basilisk's Gaze and common damage in Gravity Well.
Likewise with Armageddon. It should go in one of your mires; I'd recommend whichever one you use more often. I have mine in Dwarf Mire.
Ragnarok was no question in Nova Emanation for me, but some people might not use nova form that often and get more use by putting it in Unchain Essence.
Alpha: Spiritual if you want to perma Eclipse on the cheap. Musculature otherwise. There comes a point where more recharge doesn't actually do anything worthwhile.
Judgement: To taste. Void's -damage debuff will give you ridiculous survivability coupled with Eclipse, but I like Ion for the energy damage. It's nice to be able to throw something out that's different from your other blasts.
Lore: Also to taste. Warworks core is undisputed highest damage, for what that's worth.
Interface: If you're soloing, reactive DoT all the way. You and Fluffy will keep this at max stacks on all kinds of things. When you're teaming, everyone has reactive, so it gets mostly wasted. Go with anything else, but I'd recommend Gravitic to be able to cripple recharge.
Destiny: Clarion, no question, as it gives your Human and Nova mez protection. You have plenty of ways to deal with mez attacks, but Clarion makes it easy.
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Glad to see you back.
Hey, not sure if you know this, but claws for brutes is pretty awesome.
I made that Claws/DA brute. He's a swirling mass of blades, blood, and sand. And awesome. -
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Completely unsigned because you're an arrogant prat, all high and mighty with your twenty five thousand posts that think they're better than mine.*
*There is more sarcasm in this one post than I have previously put on these forums. Ever.
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Quote:Good luck! Again, please check out the guide in my signature. You won't regret it.However, based on the plurality of votes and the uniqueness of experience, for this project I'm going to roll up...a Warshade.
Some people juggle geese.