Dechs Kaison

+1's and beyond get accuracy modifiers, not tohit modifiers. Tohit modifiers come in to play against +6 enemies. Accuracy modifiers are multipliers that increase the 5% chance. Tohit modifiers effectively add to the 5% chance to hit. When you have 4% defense, a 5% tohit modifier would be the same as a 2x multiplier, which is only seen on a +4AV.

As SinisterDirge pointed out, my guide has a good explanation of why 45% is the magic number, whether it's an even con minion or a +4 AV.

This. I will get behind this with the very essence of my soul. I feel Tankers should have something to set their survivability above and beyond that of a buffed brute, and I think this is it.

Go on, GW, hit me with that mag 100 death hold. I'll shrug off that DoT with my heavy resistance!

Hmmm... I ran a team last night with four masterminds, so that maneuvers would have its endurance cost increased for 31 extra targets.

Imagine running maneuvers on an all mastermind team. Or think about the poor thugs mastermind tier two henchmen that run leadership. What if a team of 8 thugs masterminds all called in gang war at the same time?

At the very minimum, you'd have to pay the cost for 136 entities.

Oh yeah? Well, it only takes 2 hits from a blue minion to kill the scrapper, where large groups of +4 bosses can hit my tanker all day long!

Right back at ya!

But really, I hear what you're saying, and there's a reason I won't play a tank unless it's fire or dark melee, or uses shield defense. My problem is I got used to diving into huge spawns early in a character's career, and now a scrapper just seems too weak to do that.

If only I had the patience...

*raises hand*

I'll continue to play tanks because I think they serve a better purpose on a team than a scrapper or brute.

Also because I can't seem to build a scrapper or brute with enough survivability that I don't delete before level 30.

Then do some math proving it's excessive. I don't care what you call it, back your statements up with analysis.

"I think this bill will generate more revenue for the government because I feel like it will," never gets anything passed.

Ok, you have an opinion without math. You're probably the kind of guy who votes for someone without knowing any of the candidates platform points.

If you want your opinion to be appreciated, considered, and regarded with any semblance of respect, you will do an analysis in an attempt to prove your point.

Until then, I will continue to assume that you are too lazy to put in the effort, too ignorant to know how to approach it, or smart enough to realize that there is no problem and you're still hiding it by an emotional argument.

Let me explain how this happens in the real world. A scientist forms an opinion and calls it a hypothesis. That's the first step, and you've done that.

After that, the scientist gathers data, performs experiments and analysis to learn more about his hypothesis, in an attempt to prove it. You have not done any of this, except to gather insufficient data.

Prove that there is some insurmountable, unmanageable barrier to fun created by lack of endurance. Give me some math. Do some work.

This is just a simple function of a team based AT. Defenders are supposed to be good at keeping the team defended. Tankers are good at taking care of themselves. It makes sense to me.

All powers function based on AT modifiers. A blaster and a defender use the same powers, but because a defender is better at buff/debuff, the -res in a defender's sonic blast powers is strong, but the damage is far less.

It's the same power functioning differently because of the AT modifiers.

EDIT: Modifiers exist in all different forms. Here are some examples:

Those values depend on your AT modifiers. A defender will have a better benefit from maneuvers than from CJ, where a scrapper may see the opposite.

We do not have healers. We have defenders. Some defenders have heals, but heals do very little in this game. Buffs and debuffs are the most powerful factors in our play.

Pretty much any kind of character can be built for any kind of role.

The Tank/Heal/DPS trinity does not exist here.


I've seen amazing teams with no tank, no DPS, and no heals. It was all defenders. All buffs and debuffs, and the piddly damage that a defender does solo was buffed beyond stupid levels of power.

Correct. And weakened hamidon only has about 5k hit points, very easy to outpace the greens.

The greens are hard to kill because until they are held they have high regen and resist. Without Hami to watch their backs, it's a lot easier to make sure squishy characters don't die.

Huh. Then my MoLGTF was done wrong.

I'm starting to worry less about someone making a softcapped build. For one, it would add so much survivability that you no longer benefit from the damage bonuses of the set. You would have to be very clever about turning off defensive toggles until you get beat up and then turn them on to maintain your health... except that natural regen will take over and eventually push you out of the damage bonus.

With regards to the heals being counterproductive to the set: That's why I had the defense debuff in that damage boosting toggle. If you're ever high in the green it should be easy to hit you. I can definitely see how overflow healing could hurt the set regardless.

As far as stepping on blaster toes? I think the problem with Shield Defense is solely due to shield charge and its ability to do a "blaster mini-nuke" every 30 seconds or more. Simply being a damage boosting secondary shouldn't be enough to replace blasters. Ok, so my set has a nuke too, but you have to die to get it to work, and if I had my way, could not be used nearly as often as shield charge.

Thanks for the support.