Dechs Kaison

If you have to put stipulations on it, it can't be such a clear cut superior power. Recharge is expensive to build for.

You know, it's always the kids who talk the biggest game that have nothing to show for themselves. Wonder why that is?

Put your numbers in a sheet here. We can compare.

Funny, I have two AoE powers and taunt as well. I managed to hold aggro on four AVs plus Reichsman from range. I agree that all the survivability in the world does not make you a tank. A tank who is the last man standing has failed.

I'm going to refer to the first thing I said in this post about children who talk big.

You'll have to forgive me for not believing a damn thing you say here. It was a clever attempt to back out of a challenge, though.

This.

I've never had endurance problems with my Dark Armor tank, and I didn't start throwing IOs into the mix until about level 37. I did have some KB protection slotted before that, though.

I delayed taking Death Shroud until after Stamina. Depending on the enemy I was fighting, I didn't use Dark Embrace or Murky Cloud. I always waited for my health to redline before I used the heal. I slotted my attacks for accuracy and endurance, then damage, then recharge. I didn't take hasten.

In short: I built and played smart.

I tanked every TF up through Manticore before adding IOs, several times, and often without support characters in the mix.

Three hundred million. That's pocket change if you know what you're doing.

It's asinine to ask for the inf to do it yourself. Earn it.

Don't limit yourself to my budget though. Go all out. I dare you to use any means to make a tank that can do all the things I listed, which is clearly more than the NOTHING you claimed Dark Armor capable of.

Mind you, I did it with Fire Melee, which provides no mitigation of its own. All of my survivability came from Dark Armor.

I appreciate the compliments.

I'd like to point out that my tank is Dark Armor/Fire Melee. Since Fire Melee provides no extra mitigation, every ounce of survivability my tank has is from Dark Armor.

If Dark Armor really does suck for you, I assure you that it's the result of operator error.

That's what I came up with first. Then I remembered to toggle the pool powers on.

Because they're talking about doing it on scrappers, or without the extra toggles, or with enough endurance recovery to run the toggles and maintain a solid attack chain with all the recharge they crammed into the build.

The streak breaker is there to prevent a kind of bad beat. If you have a realistic chance to hit something, you're going to. If you don't have a realistic chance to hit something, the game engine isn't going to step in and make it so.

Just opened up Mids. With CJ, Maneuvers, Weave, and other pertinent powers from Shields with 3 defense SOs in each you hit 44% defense.

You could add hover or stealth.

Ah, what I should have said is "With any amount of defense over 30%, the streakbreaker does nothing."

I've edited my previous post for this correction.

Look at the numbers. If the final chance to hit is less than 20%, the streak breaker will not kick in for one hundred swings.




I have a nasty habit of adding a lot to posts after posting. Please go back and see my additional comments.

Well, you were talking about a shield tanker. It is possible to softcap shields on SOs alone with the proper power picks.

The streak breaker does not apply to NPCs.

EDIT: Yes it does, but if the final tohit chance is 20% or less, the streak breaker will not kick in until the 100th swing.

I don't see how the clamps cause problems. Defense over 45% is clamped so that the tohit portion is 5%. Then accuracy modifiers are taken into account, and would be clamped again if the result ended up less than 5%.

I'm very sure they are multiplicative. It is stated on the attack mechanics page.

There is no funny business in that math. This is what probability and statistics is all about. A casino sets it's machines for 85% payout. The first three spins could be million dollar jackpots, but the casino can afford to pay out X dollars per day. As long as they aren't forced to pay more than that for a long enough period that the bank runs out, the casino will survive and make money.

Your HP is the same way. Every swing has the same chance to hit. No one hit will kill you, so the long run is all that you're worried about. When you start taking more than X DPS, your health falls faster than it regens. When your health runs out, you go bankrupt like the casino.

Both if you can handle the endurance cost and can't think of a better power to take.




I'd like to finish with "If you doubt the survivability added by defense, please watch my video, Dark Armor Sucks." I'm fighting a variety of +4/x8 spawns without bosses in that video, and it was made possible thanks to defense. Yes, I spent a good deal on my tank, but in comparison to most builds out there, it's pocket change. It was far more than worth it to me. I can herd Devouring Earth monsters six at a time. I've held the aggro of 4 Rikti Magi on the Mothership. I have held the aggro of four AVs and Reichsman all at once.

Only took me 300m* to get there for S/L/E/N.




*This figure does not include merit expenditures.

Incorrect. Please read the softcap guide in my sig. You won't believe what the softcap does for you, and I think I do a good enough job to explain it.

Short version: At the softcap, a +4 AV has a 10.5% chance to hit you. That's less often than a +1 minion will hit someone with 40% defense. The last 5% really does that much for you.

Oooh. Which names do I need to make this silent?

I guess the other extreme is I spent 200mil on my Dark Armor tank and then made a video.

Yeah, we may be the friendliest community in the industry, but you can't expect hugs and kisses reception to a accusatory post.

Sometimes I wonder how people could seriously believe a rumor like that.

Then I remember that my mother still forwards every chain email with a "If you don't forward this to at least 10 people" line in it.