DanZero

Originally Posted by Electric-Knight

DanZero,
If that were the case, then we wouldn't be able to use our Incarnate Powers elsewhere.
Oh wait... we can.
Sorry, but that argument holds no water.

Originally Posted by Test_Rat

Everyone who is offering Shard/Thread conversion as a viable method for progress are as disingenuous as the devs.

Its not offered as a viable option, but as a bullet point: Look there is another way!

Even though that other way is a massively punative monument to stupidity!

And for the people telling me: Take your time:

Well the Trials are already petering out on virtue. Its getting REALLy hard to get into a lambda run after a week as people have stopped playing it. I haven't really STARTED on my Freedom toon and I am massively worried.

So If I don't man up and put up with repeating these two missions NOW while the rest of the playerbase is Putting up with it, its less and less likely I will ever get slots done.

Things will be even worse come the next slots because we all know they will be using INCARNATE SOULS or something, that will have an even more punative conversion method, and no one will be running the "old" trials any longer.


Most people I know are getting one toon kitted out and then they stop logging in. Its probably what I will do once I finish my mains on Virtue and Freedom.

Originally Posted by crayhal

So I led a speed ITF last night with 3 squishies, including me. I specifically announced that the ITF was speed and there was a shard ITF also forming at the same time. Before I started, I mentioned that the ITF will be speed because I have other 50s that I need my notice on. Folks seemed ok with that so I started it.
After freeing 3 sibyls, I noticed that the other 2 squishies, both kins, weren't with us. So I TPd one over, hoping for some delicious fulcrum shift. We finished the sibyls and ran to the altar. Once again, the kins weren't there and one was dead. So I TPd them to the altar and rezed.
For the cysts, I asked the kins to at least keep the melee boosted, and they don't have to participate in attacking since the cysts explode and if they attack they will grab agro. As for me, my general strategy to stay alive was to eat lucks and debuff the cysts to make it easier to kill for melee. While doing the cysts, one of the kins said something like, 'if you don't clear the mobs, the squishies will die.' I wasn't sure how to reply to that, since it's a speed ITF. The team won't stop and kill mobs. So I eventually said, 'I have 20% def, so I just eat lucks and keep up.' I didn't die once during the cyst run while the kins died and lay there. The kin said other things, but I didn't want to argue, so I said nothing.
For the last mission, one of the kins kept dying a lot, so I rezed him whenever my rez was ready and tried to pass some of my lucks, sturdys and heals to him. His inventory was full.
WTH? It boggled my mind... why was he not converting all those insps to luck to boost his defense? Why did he have to wait for me to rez when he could have converted them to a wakie?
I prolly got a bad rep from the kins. It's a speed ITF, so I'm guessing they didn't know what that means. I suppose I could've slowed it down for them, but I only have a couple of hours in the evenings.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

First and foremost, I want to say that I don't intend this as criticism. I'm well aware of the stigma my name brings with it, but bear with me. I'm not complaining here. This is a genuine question.

I've looked through the lists of Incarnate powers and their effects for a while, and I kept thinking "well, this character could have that, that character could have this" and they always seemed to fit... Until I started wondering what the eponymous Samuel Tow could potentially take. And I started drawing a blank.

I want to restrict my hypothetical scenarios to just the Judgement powers since those are what I'm most familiar with, but feel free to bring up the others just the same.

To put down a little context, Samuel Tow's powers are, essentially super reflexes, katana and guns, in that order. Granted, I can't give him guns in City of Heroes, so that's Super Reflexes and Katana. He's the result of a genetic experiment which gave him super-human cognition, bordering on precognition, which in turn makes him deadly accurate with a very special sword which can cut through anything (the nature of which I never committed to writing).

So what do I give him? I'm aware that there are four Judgement powers - Fire, Energy, Ice and Darkness. Neither of those powers really works in-concept, as they all revolve around manifesting elemental (and I count "dark" as an element in City of Heroes) powers to shoot from his hands, essentially. Originally, way back when, I was speculating about what a "weapon-based" Incarnate AoE could represent and... I was and am drawing a blank. A sort of really fast slash in all directions, maybe? I don't know.

And thinking about Sam got me to thinking about a few other characters. Like Brutticus, my alternate-Earth woman whose powers revolve around her being amazingly strong and so tough as to be next to unkillable, and her powers manifest as axe and shield. For her, I could kind of see a power that's a punch/stomp to the ground causing a massive tremor, or even a People's Elbow to the ground that does the same. Then I remembered Xanta, my "Troll girl," who's also super strong and very invulnerable. Similar concept, really.

Then there are the odd ones, like Inna, my Energy/Energy character. I didn't actually see a "pure energy" Incarnate power (though I could have missed one), and electricity... Doesn't really feel right for her. I mean, when she was a Blaster, she took Foce Mastery, and now that she's a Brute she's looking at Energy Master, speaking of Epics. And then there's my "Kung Fu Robot" whom I made after Resurrection Rise 2's Rook, who might do well with a pure energy kamehamehadouken, but really not very well with electricity, either.

And, yes, I know I've said I'm not interested in Incarnates, and I'm generally not. Probably not for a year or two, or at least a few months. But this doesn't mean I can't speculate, and I expect that at least sooner or later I'll get off my lazy *** and get at least the Judgement slot opened up and filled in. But this really does beg the question of "With what?"

And, finally, I want to head an argument off at the root: No, I'm not looking to rewrite my characters into somehow developing supernatural powers and suddenly manifesting the ability to shoot "Incarnate Fire," not am I looking to explain why they suddenly have the unrelated ability to do so. I COULD write that into their concepts, yes. It would be relatively easy. But then those won't be the characters I wanted to make, those I fell in love with and kept close to my heart even when I wasn't sure if I wanted to keep playing the game.

Consider this a purely theoretical discussion. I'm not advocating change or condemning additions. Just discussing concepts and stories.

Originally Posted by Gemini_2099

That is not good planning IMVHO.

Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5

There are two freespecs on the way with i20, rejoice!

Originally Posted by MobiuS_I

This is the best explanation yet. I'm starting to understand. I mean, I understand staying current with Issue updates. I even understand squeezing the last bit of uberness out of a build.

I just didn't get the "I wonder if" scenarios. I always just looked at the numbers in Mids. The reason is, in my experience, I don't really find a play difference between 5-slotting a power and 6-slotting. Sometimes the set bonus ups some defense here or there, but I got the same effect with popping purples.

So, I always choose powers based on how I want to play it, then slot it out based on the numbers. I never really "wondered if" -- I just started beating up bad guys.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by MobiuS_I

Yup, definitely missing the point.

respec = changing your character.

If you love your character, then you don't want to change it.

Except, you do.

...

<head explodes>


So, either you aren't actually changing anything when you respec, or you don't love your characters the way you think you do.

Originally Posted by inazuma

yes! Punish the unbelievers! Smite them with giant robots!!!