DMystic

I have to agree with everything else you've posted, though I myself have never made an argument dismissing Hide and Placate. I've argued about where they fit in but I've never outright dismissed them.

Now as to the bit I've quoted

Yes Placate always replaces Confront, however the AS replacement isn't as clear cut as it used to be. Also any self buff is always replaced with Build Up (though Staff is going to be an exception to this)

Lets take a look at ElM the first Stalker set that lost no AoE damage powers. Confront/Taunt was replaced with Placate. Thunderclap after a considerable effort on the part of Stalker players ended up being replaced.
So here we traded an AoE control power for a ST Damage Attack
Now I'm not sure how good Thunderclap as a control is, but it can nake difference in the amount of incoming damge. I think it's a mag 2 stun so that will get minions and Lt's so a Scrapper is free to deal with Bosses or high threat non bosses as easily as a Stalker would opening from Hidden. What's more the good AoE damage Scrappers can deal has a decent chance of eliminating the minions that have been stunned.

So the performance is probably comparable.

Honestly though thinking about things a bit more I think it may be apropriate to remove the team based crit chance on Stalkers. From what I remember that change was put in because Stalkers could not realistically make use of Hidden attacks in team situations so the team crit was added as a way to bypass the issues that interfered with crits.

Now that we have Focus I don't think the team crit is necessary anymore
since Stalkers can undeniably deal out the ST damage they were always meant to.

I'm enjoying the topic, it's just that this particular argument of yours seems disingenuous.


Stalkers only have 3 sets with HP buffs, and I think due to the rarity of +HP that 134 difference actually becomes a bigger gap than it would seem.



Granted its not a chasm of difference, however it is significant enough to matter and shouldn't be ignored. Is the difference big enough? I honestly can't say as I'm not good with data.


I don't see where the 50 damage is suddenly becoming 47.5 as Hide is defense only and doesn't have an effect on damage that gets through.



No that power is only present in certain sets,and my statement was more about how Hide isn't the be all end all that you're making it appear to be.
However one thing all Scrappers have is a better self buff mod giving them a better return on any +Damage powers they get.


And that effect is no different than what you get from a stun,sleep,fear or hold. Due to how powers get moved around and changed to add AS and Placate to Stalker primaries from what I've seen usually a PBAoE,Cone or Control effect is removed from the equivalent Scrapper Primary.

This focus of yours on the 138 HP is really starting to annoy me for these arguments. Yes Stalkers have 138 HP less than Scrappers at the base. However the big difference come from the HP caps. Compare any Scrapper Secondary set to the same Stalker Set, with the same powers and slotting where applicable. The Scrapper will always have Higher HP, which means a higher Regen rate, a higher benefit from self heals, and more time to react to incoming damage. In a teamed situation The Scrapper will get more benefit from any Ally +HP powers that may be available. A Stalker will never have more than 2006 HP, whereas a Scrapper can get to 2409 a difference of 403HP which is a significant number.


HIDE does not add anything significant to survivability after a fight starts. When Hide is suppressed it adds all of 2.5% percent defense and adds absolutely 0 +Stealth. Every other Stealth power in the game still adds some +Stealth when suppressed. Placate when granting HIDDEN status does not in fact cause Hide to become unsuppressed. Placate can cause a single enemy to stop attacking for up to 10 seconds, however there are situations where this won't work. Yes Placate is quite a survivability tool, but isn't significantly better than other types of controls

since this is a quote it doesn't count

but everyone needs to realize

Don't you worry about (blank), let the Devs worry about (blank)

See I've actually come up with a diabolical plan that capitalizes on these concepts. You install the red button in a heavy traffic area, label it do not press. Obviously this results in massive presses of the button.

Every time the button gets pressed a side panel opens up showing how many times the button has been pressed. What makes this diabolical is each press charges up the super weapon.

The best part, it will probably be the heroes that cause the final charge up.

Yup was referring to Katie and Hess, but couldn't remember the names at the time.

For new SF's...

well it seems like some zone revamps are coming up so in a hypothetical example Kings Row gets revamped.

Obviously Kings Row is a bad place to put Co-op as the threats for that level don't demand Co-Op. With this in mind why not put a Strike Force for Villains in that deals with the new Kings Row.

The Shining Stars make a good target. I'm sure Villains won't mind attacking their base to steal the portal tech Proton's been working with. Heck the Villains could even stream annoying music stuck in a loop on the PA as they leave. Then they run into Paladin on the way to TP Blue Steel's coin or something.

While both sides aren't getting the same kind of content, both sides are getting content so it should be alright no? Something simple like that could do alot to aleviate the SF gaps over time if done consistently right?

Shouldn't be too much extra work for a SF but I'm not sure what's involved in creating those.

What did you think it would be?

That's because of a heavy CoT presence in parts of the arc.
CoT are actually weird in that during the lower levels due to a heavy presence of Spectrals the fights can quickly become catastrophically hard. This declines in the higher levels as Spectrals become less common.

This Spectral Threat becomes even worse on teams.

And here I come having read the WST list all ready to post exactly that.


VILLAINS NEED NEW STRIKE FORCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

there maybe bolded it'll get more attention

So you agree that it's being made up as we go along then?

probably they have some general ideas about stuff that needs to happen. How it links together and which things are revealed when are being done as we go along. At least that's how it seems to me.

The HP Buff was for sets that have the ability to raise their own HP namely Willpower,Regen and Ice. With the old HP cap of 1606 those secondaries weren't able to take advantage of their abilities. IIRC a single SO in HPT at level 50 basically put you at the cap.

As a reference point my NB/SR (a set with no ability to raise it's HP) is at 1500 something(closer to 16 than 15) with the accolades and random set bonuses that I wasn't aiming for. So without really trying I got near the old HP CAP.

Does the Hp buff do anything for him? not really except maybe if Frostworks or a similar power is ever used on him the HP boost won't go to waste.


But the HP buff was so that Stalker secondaries with HP boosting capabilities can actually make use of those capabilities.

Bolded the main part I'm responding too....

Actually I did pay extra for the Hero Gear Kit back at launch primarily for Power Slide. I'm probably not the only one that did so, however with that in mind I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see the in game perks from that make thier way onto the Paragon Market.

This game has always been about gioving people options to customize their characters. Stuf fliek this is a bit pof extra customization and I wouldn't mind if the in game items I had purchased were made avaialble for purchase again.

Also find a way to get Old Storm Kick back in the game some how silly as the animation was.

Since your leveling, when you speak with Liberty take a good look at the initial dialog options, specifically the one under Train to a new level of power.

You will be pleasantly surprised.