Capa_Devans

Really?! Thank you for mentioning it because I read the patch notes and I honestly had not seen this.

Much appreciated.

I really hope Incarnate has nothing to do with Cathedral of Pain. I never want to see that awful TF again.

My mains are absolutely worth Incarnate but I will not run CoP after I get the badge.

My last experience involved standing around for 90 minutes (at the point I joined only 4 people were required), a list of instructions longer than War and Peace, total failure to coordinate the obelisks at which point I lost the will to live and left. Apparently the teams didn't succeed so had I stayed, I'd have wasted over 2.5 hours rather than 105 minutes.

Horrible TF.

Only way I see it being done easily is by a large SG who runs together. I like my personal SGs and my globals for teaming thanks; I'm not joining a large SG with all the e-drama that goes with it for this - and I shouldn't have to.

I really don't like the way the game is going right now. We aren't Raid-focused with gear being the be-all-and-end-all. That's another game by another company. If I wanted to play a world of whatever, I would.

End-game content is one thing but stupidy-annoying-content (not just end game and I'm looking at you ambush-world) is a waste of everyone's time.

Oh have you fixed the rewards on AE arcs with more than one destructable object, yet? That was promised for i17.

While very good, these don't hide ALL of the effects on your own character, some will still be visible.

For example, you can still see the green quills shooting on a spine scrapper and the little floating balls from one of the fire or thermal shields.

Interestingly until power customization was implemented the quills were hidden with /suppressclosefx. Now I only play my fire/spine scrapper in short doses.

I've been on trials that did this and I have to admit I hate it. You've got three people doing nothing to Rularuu. Not pulling aggro, not damaging, doing nothing. As a tank on one of the runs that did it, I don't join a TF to sit in a corner during most of it.

I agree you need to get the cube mobs under control quickly but having a 'spotter' positioned in such a way behind Rularuu that they can view the room is a better plan, in my opinion. That and make sure everyone knows - and does - move their rears back to that cube when the spawn hits. The teams not moving back to the cubes seems to be the biggest problem that I've seen.

Teams mark your cube on your minimap, read "cube spawn" and go to cube.

I was pretty sure that was frustration, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered trying to throw ideas out there for you. Think everyone is frustrated at this point.

I know about the "don't like the AT" nonsense. I once got told I couldn't join an ITF (non-Mo) because "we have one stalker and we don't really want another one". I'll stick a flag up the day I see someone say that to a scrapper.

I get what you're saying about a min/max team but I just feel that the number of runs required by replacing one member with a badger means people will be bored of it long before the badging is done which is why I said I don't like the idea. For me committing to getting up for this at 2.30am with no guarantee I'll ever get my badger on a future run isn't something I want to do.

Thanks.
Fair point but quick dash in/out MIGHT be worth it/doable. A friend of mine used to do it a lot with a merc/trap. How do your pets hold up by the way?
I disagree with this. Kins debuff.

Syphon Speed: -rech 20% / duration 60s / recharge 23s (my non-heavily setted corr value from Mids)
Syphon Power: -damage 20% / duration 60s / recharge 7s (same char)
Transfusion: -regen 50% / recharge 3s
Fulcrum shift: duration 45s / recharge 23s (same char)

If I recall correctly Syphon Speed is unresistable; I've had GW down to a snail pace on STF with it. If it does work on Rularuu then those are quite tasty.

Transfusion heals around the target - the kin can be way back - will help keep meleers up without an AoE heal having to get in range (EG rad/emp/thermal/dark).

I know how FS works; I have five kins, I was talking about the undeniable benefit of FS at the Obelisks and Cubes. And if we move fast enough the FS from the Cubes should still be on when we kick over to Rularuu. Ok won't be there for the whole fight but that's a pretty nice start isn't it; like a Stalker's MASSIVE spike damage on a boss.

Thanks for the clarification, Wulf. I know the caps are the same but partly I think if we overload on buffers, we're removing damage.

Tank + damage v Brute + Buffer

I like the former, guess othrers prefer latter (for this). I don't dislike brutes but I think of them more as hardy scrappers.

*looks at my tanks 3.5k HP* *giggles*

I'm just aware that a tanker role going down on this is likely a wipe/reset. So ... *clings and waves extra HP*. Just my personal preference; I doubt many agree with me.

I will also admit that because brutes tend to play like scrappers, many don't have taunt. That is a major irritation to me. Sorry, hurl is not a replacement for taunting a mob off a squishy at range.

*waits brute hate mail*

Have a good run.

EDIT:
Note for me Virtue Guide

Redside is more quiet than blue and I'm all for prioritize red but why not let ex-heroes in if there aren't enough villains? Plus I still prefer a tank to a brute.

I agree. If there was a core membership who ran it a lot, a few PuG members (say one or two a team) would go a long way to helping the coordination issues.

Everyone knows setting up Raids is a pain; this one in particular. I applaud your efforts. The tactics you developed on the Obelisks and the Cathedral (prior to the AV) are working. The only bit that isn't is the AV and frankly if it's the Storm aspect that isn't your fault or the fault of the team set up; it's a bad design of the TF.

As far as I can see no team make up is capable of taking the Storm. People who do this in 15 minutes with brawl are quitting that aspect.

QUESTION: Do you know how many debuffers you NEED to get max debuff? To hit the -regen cap?

If I read this right you had seven debuffers and hit the cap?. So then you need a minimum of 250 damage/sec to over come the remainder and preferably much more?

I have half an idea I'd like to offer you for consideration but not quite there yet.

What about saying "OK every Saturday for the next six weeks we will be running red CoP" (or blue weeks 1-3 and red 4-6) and get sign ups done. Then people could be certain the run will happen, change sides if required and if they can't get their badger on run one and two at least they know that their spot is saved on run three. That would go a long way to ensuring participation with a semi-specific team make-up. If you read within the lines of my posts last night you'll see part of the complaint was there is no guarantee there'll be another run where I CAN bring my badger.

If not enough people show up, it's most likely down to not having the specific ATs you requested.

Also a specified AT doesn't guarantee a capable player of that AT or an AT that is capable of running this TF. I have an Emp on Virtue. I tried to keep a team alive on a Sara Moore without a tank and two scrappers playing tag-team-tank; I wasn't horrible bad but I really wouldn't want to Emp this TF and I wouldn't Emp a Mo run either. I have the AT and I might break her out for a run but not on something like this. She isn't up to it and neither am I on that AT. Would you rather a player admitted that and bowed out or showed up regardless and waste everyone's time by being rubbish?



Don't think your efforts aren't appreciated; they are. This is frustrating and if you decide never to utter the words CoP again, it would be perfectly understandable, although very regrettable.

Again thank you for the efforts you have put in over the past few weeks.

EDIT:
I did get both my red and blue bases raid-capable if you wanted to do a round-robin SG/VG due to storm-aspect restart.

EDIT 2:
Ok here's something I knocked up while the servers were down.
From the post I linked to above:

-2000% regen seems to be a cap
Still regening 200 hp/sec

DPS/Pylon thread from the scrapper forums to give an idea of DPS.


BROAD GROUPS

Apologies to AT/powerset I've missed; not intentional.


Buff: Emp/Pain/FF
Damage/Buff: Kin
Buff/Debuff: Rad/Thermal/Cold/Sonic
Debuff: Dark/Storm/Traps
Damage: Brutes/scrappers/stalkers/blasters
Damage/buff: veats
Damage soaks: Tanks (Ok SOME brutes but ideally 2 brutes on a team if that's the case. Remember if the damage soak goes down odds are the rest of the team will. That's a regroup which we can't affort at the Aspect.)


(I don't have high level experience of HEATS)
Am I reading Traps right; One poison trap is -1000% regen?! Because wow one of them is TWO Howling Twilights! In which case a debuff spot could go to damage!


TEAM MAKE UP

This is very close to a previous attempt. I shamelessly cribbed it. Aim is to get the bases covered while giving maximum opportunities to participate.

Ideally each member will cover more than one spot. An Ill/Sonic troller covers buff/debuff and damage. A psy/mental blaster could be damage and debuff.


TEAM ONE

1) Damage soak with self heal - Rularuu bait.
2) Damage soak support/buffer with rez:
3) Kin buffer
4) Buff/Debuff
5) Debuffer:
6) Damage:
7) Damage:
8) Damage:


TEAM TWO

1) Damage soak:
2) Buff/Debuffer:
3) Kin Buffer:
4) Debuffer:
5) Damage:
6) Damage:
7) Damage:
8) Damage:


TEAM THREE

1) Damage Soak:
2) Buff/Debuffer:
3) Kin Buffer:
4) Debuffer:
5) Damage:
6) Damage:
7) Damage:
8) Damage:


TACTICS

You already sorted that out. What you did for the Obelisks works. What you did for inside the Cubes worked. Where it's falling down is Rularuu.

Again I'm going to suggest if it's Storm reset. See who in team 1 2 and 3 would join a new SG temporarily to join a reset. (I would with any char except my main.)

Because of the reduced number of buffers I wonder if this would work:
Each buffer buffs their own team.
Then each buffer targets the tank of the other teams. That tank cycles through their team mates while the buffers buff.
If it works each member should have as many ST buffs as there are buffers.

Bit painful and someone will get missed but just a thought.

Then summon pets (inc MM) and temps. Fire aura buffs.

Kick at it as you've already organized.