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Originally Posted by Garent

Wait wait wait. When did we start talking about AV soloing?

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

As long as it can be soloed, I am okay with it. I've been on too many TFs that fall apart because people start leaving and it is very sad.

Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina

If a person says not to do something, they are not giving consent. To state otherwise because "you signed it" demonstrates a lack of understanding of what the word means. What you're talking about is more akin to the legal principle of consent.

Who said anything about not wanting to PVP? Sometimes they interrupt duels, not just badges, though that isn't such an issue now that arena works anywhere.

See, this is one of the things that sucks about discourse now. Nobody even debates what the other person is saying, they just either argue with an alternate meaning of the words that were said:

See, it IS consent if you use this meaning of the word! Never mind that "PVP should involve giving technical consent by entering a PVP zone, or it isn't any fun anyway. What is the point of PVP against a target that doesn't fight back?" makes absolutely no sense in the context.

or classifying them into some group, and then debating with your stereotypical perception of that group:

Aha! You complained about attacks in a PVP zone! You must not want to PVP, even though you specifically referenced duels.

And thus armed with these 2 awesome debating techniques, the masses of the internet can win any argument simply by covering up the main point under a 10 page pile of drivel about word definitions or arguments about group stereotypes.

The POINT is that there is no fun to be gained from PVPng an unprepared person who is not able to fight back, unless you are getting jollies from causing them to be frustrated, which is the essence of trolling. For non-sociopaths, PVP is fun because it is more interesting and challenging than PVE.

Originally Posted by Tokyo

I'm assuming by your logic you can't possibly grief in a pvp zone, right?

The guy was there for badges, smeg wanted to pvp despite the other players desire not to engage in PvP so he attacked him.

I'm not saying smeg was in the wrong. I'm just saying that smeg caused undesired grief to that player. Griefing.

Originally Posted by CapnGeist

As said, this won't combat inflation. The people who have the huge piles of money aren't likely to bother spending much on their apartments unless they get real mechanical benefits from them.

Originally Posted by Alamo

Alright I dont know about you guys but I have an urge to play an ice melee tanker, problem is, ice melee blows! Ice melee got a tiny buff not to long ago but IMO, not enough, but a solid start.
First off I think ice melee needs to take a step in the more 'smashy' direction. Meaning focus more on frozen fist type powers. I think frost is the first thing that needs to go. Replacing it with a single target damage power would be an excellent idea! Also (this is just me) I think ice sword should be ditched for another single target power, but with the frozen fist type animation.
And here is the biggy id love to see! Ditch frozen touch for a much more fun and unique power, a combo of sheild charge and thunderstrike if you will. The point would be to target an enemy and when the power activates, you nearly fly to the target and beat him with an icy fist! (sort of like johnny cage in MC) This would then cause an aoe effect like thunderstrike but the targeted enemy takes more damage!
This is just a few ideas, id love to see this sub par powerset be revamped and not simply buffed! Anyone else feel the same as I? If so post your ice melee fixes!!

Originally Posted by Fire_Minded

Question.

Why wouldnt you worry about the DPS for the Tanker?In a team or solo more DPS means enemies fall faster.Meaning you dont have to tank for very long, and that usually negates the need for the Fighting Pool all together.

If you kill it, you dont have to tank it.If people belive that Tankers dont do damage, then they need to find out why they belive in such fantasies.

I have no issues solo, or in a team with my SD/Axe Tanker, and at level 40 he has no Tough or Weave.The same can be said about my Fire/Fire Tanker and my Ice/Ice Tanker.

Its more about how a player thinks and plays his builds then the build its self.

Iv recently discovered im a Min/Maxer, but not in the traditional sense.Where I read Effect numbers first vs damage numbers when it comes to Tankers, Scrappers, and Defenders.

Other traditional Min/Maxers want the best possible personal numbers they can get, even if the set doesnt out perform a lesser played set.Such as Willpower vs Fire Armor or even Dark Armor.

In the long run, many of the lesser played sets get bad reps because people acctually have to work for there gravy, but the pay off is better then the usual with more used sets.

Can a WP/SS Tanker fight well and hold Agro?Absolutly, provided its using its Taunt and keeps hitting something with its ST attacks.

Can a WP/SS Tanker fight better then a SD/Mace Tanker and hold more agro?Absolutly not.The reason why I say this, is because of the massive AoE damage the SD/Mace build pumps out.Yes, by the numbers the SD/Mace Tanker is supposedly weaker in overall Toughness and Survivability.However, the SD/Mace Tanker can survive better by killing everything in its path as if it was a joke.

When you run in with a WP/SS Tank with Rage running, then Foot Stomp for over 160 damage, then start working on the mob with your ST attacks, throwing in a 350 damage KO blow on occassion, your doing alright.

When you run in with a SD/Mace Tank, its a whole diffrent story.You get in the mob, trigger your Build Up, Whirling mace for 160 AoE Damage, Crowd Control upto 10 targets for 250 damage, then use your sheild charge right after it and smack the entire mob for over 450 damage, you just out performed the Min/Maxed WP/SS Mid's build by a HUGE margin using just SOs.Lets not forget Clobber and the rest of the Amp'd ST attacks Mace gives you from AAO.

Dark Armor has ALOT of tools, and is better used with a Melee set like Electrical Melee or Dark Melee.The goal being Global Recharge, Recovery, and Regen when you aspire to IOs.

Can Dark Armor out perform Willpower?Yes, yes it can.

At higher levels on my Spines/Invln Scrapper, ill be very capable of Tanking for teams.Are Scrappers ment to Tank?No, they are not.Can they Tank?Yes, they can.

Originally Posted by Harkness

*/Sonic doesn't have a hold, */DP does.

If a Dark/DP Def has both Swap Ammo and Suppressive Fire, PG lets them double-up on that hold and start locking down AVs.

It's definitely an option worth considering for a Dark/DP.

Originally Posted by Werner

Yeah, I'd just take the defeat and call it good. (Less applicable if I'm tanking, since my defeat could be a team wipe.) If I only use a power every few days, I'm pretty sure there's a better power for me. To me, Strength of Will and One with the Shield are like having a few extra inspiration slots. Yeah, I'd like a few extra inspiration slots, but I wouldn't skip a power pick to get them.

Also, you get 1/3 uptime (40% on Strength of Will). My hardest fights are LONG fights. If I can survive the 2/3 of the time that it isn't up, then I can survive the 1/3 of the time that it is up. I had similar reasoning for not taking Touch of Fear on an AV killer. Might be nice while the purple triangles are down, but if I can survive while they're up, then I might as well just keep punching their face in while they're down. Not particularly applicable to a more average build.

Not saying either is a bad power. I'd WANT them. But high end builds can get really tight.

For the OP, Siphon Life is MUCH too good of an attack to waste on a full healing set. Mind you, it's also much too good of a heal to waste on a full melee set. So it's one of the few powers that I recommend frankenslotting for maximum enhancement values instead of worrying about set bonuses. The classic thread on the subject is over here.

Also, while I like the Leadership pool, I don't like it as much as the Fighting pool. I would want both Tough and Weave to stack with the resistance and defense from your secondary. Were you dropping Flight to get Fighting though? I'd probably drop Flight to get Leaping, and just take Combat Jumping, which was another power you mentioned. A couple defensive powers are good. A lot of them are better. Look into fairly immediate purchase of a Kismet unique (+6% to hit. It says accuracy, but it's actually to hit, which usually helps a lot more.). Also a Steadfast Protection unique (+3% defense). If you stay in Leadership, I'd take Tactics and slot a Gaussian set (+2.5% defense). If you drop it for other goodies, I'd take Focused Accuracy and slot it in there. You might not have the endurance to use Focused Accuracy more than situationally, but you'll still get the defense full time.

Originally Posted by Psara

Which do you think are more worth pursuing for a scrapper?

Originally Posted by Khaeladin

Much obliged for the recommendations so far. One question that came to mind; besides Suppressive Fire, which Dual Pistol attacks are worth skipping? I've heard varying opinions on Pistols, Executioner's Shot, and Piercing Rounds (Although it looks to me like Piercing Rounds is a keeper). I assume it'd be a waste to take every Dual Pistol attack.

Originally Posted by Scientist_16

I'm surprised MORE people aren't drooling over Desdemona and her booty shorts. I thought she was going to be the new Ghost Widow in terms of fan favoritism for a while.

I'd say that I'd give Desdemona an edge in the fight. Although Infernal is a powerful demon binder, he's just bound demons to his armor and weapons to make them really strong. Desdemona is a sorceress and has put her skill towards controlling and supporting her demons as minions. Assuming that they can call up an even number of demons, Desdemona's will be on average stronger, because she'll be firing off her other spells (Dark Miasma powers).

Infernal has her utterly spanked in a straight up fight, but I think she has the resources to defeat his demons and outnumber and surround him, ensuring that he never gets into a position to use his demonic axe, and his armor is far from impenetrable.

Originally Posted by Premonitions

Where did you hear this? I'd like to see exactly where it is stated that

"In order to change one's moral alignment, you will have to go to praetoria"

It makes no sense that anyone would have to travel to an alternate dimension to change their mind about things.

As I understand it, heroes or villains will have to take certain missions to alter their alignment one way or the other.

As an example, a Villain might take Hardcase's mission and shift more towards heroic as they become more mercenary, and take more mercenary work that is actually heroic.

I know that I have to own Going Rogue to change my alignment, but I don't see how I have to go to Praetoria while owning GR to change sides.

Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper

And only 1 exploration badge, at that.

Even before I16, when Born in Battle required 3 PvP-related badges, it was the exploration badge that's still required, "Win a gladiator match", which is really ******* easy if you can just get a buddy to join you for a couple minutes (you select one or more gladiators, they select none: you win), and "spend 5 hours in Siren's Call", which you can do in the Siren's Call base, with no actual PvP interaction at all (though the other faction might get annoyed if you tie up the bounty system in the zone).

A one-use temporary power which summons a pet which is a small version of your faction's heavy from RV.

Originally Posted by Garent

You definitely want to keep manuevers. Together with shadow fall it gives a useful amount of defense.

Originally Posted by Paladin_Musashi

This is not true. When you're running the Sister Psyche TF, at less than max level for it, with SO only toons that haven't been twinked out with a fortune from a higher level toon, and 6 of your 8 players drop leaving just an archery blaster and a tanker who has not soft capped or maxed out his resists (I forget exactly what kind of tank the guy was) you will find that there are things in the game you simply cannot beat, full stop.

The two of us decided we would pick up Shivans and make another attempt, because we could get Clamor down to almost half health before she finished us off. So we hit Bloody Bay, and the aforementioned Stalker and Brute started ganking us, camping the firebases and basically making ***** of themselves, considering they were just chain-ganking us, clearly not making any rep for most of the kills.

To me, that's not someone being a friendly competitor (Which is something that barely exists anyway, despite the fiction people would like to maintain about competitive activities in general) but rather someone acting like a schoolyard bully.

This duo of people obviously were not seeking an actual challenge, but rather just wanted to have fun by making things not fun for others, griefing, in short. And yes, I have zero respect for PvPers who talk about the challenge of PvP and how PvE is so lame and boring because it's too easy, and then spend their time ganking people who have not built their toons for PvP, do not have a PvP skillset as a player, and will not provide any kind of challenging fight. This is bullying to me, not gaming.

This was in the wee hours of the morning, which is why I had suggested we should hit the zone, thinking it would be empty. The fact that this duo of villains were camping the zone at an hour when there was clearly not going to be any competition tells me they were there to be jerks to people who only want to pick up a Shivan and get out.

So we decide if we sit in the longbow base by the helicopter, they might get bored and go home. No such luck, they start teleporting us out of the base and ganking us. My blaster has a raptor pack and neither of these guys can fly, or even superjump, but the tanker is getting owned.

My response to bullies in the real world has always been to punch them in the nose. So I told my friend, after tricking the jerks into getting droned, to go and sneak out along a route he wouldn't likely be seen while the two were coming back, and I set a trap for them. I switched to a squishy toon, and waited in the base like I was there for the zone time badge. They couldn't resit the bait and tp'd me again. Sadly for them the squishy I had switched to was my level 50 completely IO'd out Fire/Kin farmer. Who already had a full set of Shivans. And an Amy.

The instant I was tp'd I summoned the Shivan. Hot feet did what I expected and revealed the incompetent stalker by doing some damage. I slapped him with my hold and summoned Amy and he was dead before the Brute could really wade in, which meant he ended up dying too.

Final proof that they were pathetic little bullies? They left the zone.

Again, satisfying, but not in the least way fun.

Tanker friend got his Shivans, I switched back to my Blaster, and we went and finished off Clamor and succeeded at the TF. That was fun.

However, I'd be happy if they removed Shivans from the game entirely, as long as they take them out of PvP zones.

PS: Make all the fancy arguments you want, but I know every last one of you PvPers who want the Shivans and Nukes kept in the PvP zones are just bullies who like to beat up on people who can't or won't fight back. There's no good reason to keep them there other than to bring people who don't want to PvP into PvP zones, and the only reason you would want that is if you are a bully who enjoys causing others grief. End of story.

Originally Posted by CactusBrawler

However unlike WoW there is a difference, the 'desired' things blue side do not require ever entering a PVP zone, they do however red side. It'd be the equivelent of making one piece of horde tier whatever armour, available only by participating in PVP, while the alliance just had to PVE.

And while some people may not see it as a major inconvience, it's still forcing people to participate in a different gameplay mechanic, for something to be used in another mechanic.

If people can see that forcing people to PVP in STO is bad design, and their dev team is supposedly the 'rubbish' people from this games previous team...

That's without going into the whole deivided community, which unfortunetly CoX suffers from ((Though perhaps not as bad as other games.)).

Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina

You're being rude. PVP should involve consent, or it isn't any fun anyway. What is the point of PVP against a target that doesn't fight back? Even PVE is more interesting than that.

People who fight those who don't want to fight, whether PVEers or duelers, are bad sports and trolling even if what they do is within the rules. If defeating some person who's trying to do somethng else and can't even fight back effectively is entertaining to you, then you are a troll and have no sense of competitive PVP pride.

Originally Posted by Khaeladin

Howdy all. I've been playing a DP/Dark corrupter as one of my characters (Currently at 37), and I was hoping to glean some useful tips from more knowledgeable and experienced players. Here are some informational tidbits that I will preface with:

1) My interest is primarily in grouping and maybe a little bit of soloing. I have no interest in PvP.
2) In the foreseeable future, I will most likely not have access to purple-quality IO sets due to lack of funds and time.
3) I have no powers that I'll take simply due to character concept; I'm leaving myself open to taking things that will prove to be useful.
4) So far, I've taken Hasten and Stamina and will assume those to be fairly solid picks.
5) I don't "have" to take a travel power, but it'd be nice. With that said, I'm fine relying on Sprint/Ninja Run + Raptor Pack.
6) I want to make a viable and effective build from the ground up; the slots and time at which I am taking powers should make sense for leveling.

With that said, here are some of my observations so far in playing my DP/Dark corrupter.

1) It seems like almost every power in Dark Miasma secondary is useful, outside of Black Hole. This is normally not a bad thing, except...
2) In my observations with Dual Pistols, while being (In my opinion) a fairly low-moderate damage set, it seems like almost every power in the Primary is worth taking as well with the possible exceptions of Executioner's Shot or Pistols.
3) I'm assuming that each of the Dual Pistol powers that I take will be heavily slotted (5-6). I'm not so sure how to slot the Dark Powers though, given that I see a lot of people post builds that include extremely expensive IO's (Nothing wrong with that, just that I don't have the resources to kit out this character as such).

Alright, so having said all that, if there are any suggestions for DP/Dark builds that would be effective and fit the above criteria, that'd be greatly appreciated. But that wouldn't even be necessary; just figuring out which Dual Pistol powers are keepers and which are worth dropping would also be great (I've tried them all, but I'm not sure about which ones are worth dropping, or if any are worth dropping at all). I've been playing around with Mid's (Although it keeps bugging out the moment I add Swap Ammo), but I'm pretty bad when it comes to figuring out slotting/order of powers to take pre-40.

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by CactusBrawler

Actually I'd say it's a design flaw.

Much like action games, that will randomly have an arbitery stealth level.

((You're the re-incarnated concept of violence, but you've got to sneak in this bit or its game over.))

Likewise putting things that are required for PVE advantages, in a zone that requires an entirely different type of gameplay interaction, with its own rules and stat sets, is a flawed design.

Take a look at Warcraft, PVP is an alternative form of character advancement, but there is never a point where you must go and PVP to advance in PVE.

Unlike CoX where red side accolades require PVP badges.

Originally Posted by Paladin_Musashi

Except that some of us can't have fun when PvP is involved. I've only had ganking punks ruin a run through a PvP zone a few times, because I tend to hit the PvP zones at odd hours if I want a Shivan or Nuke (And I couldn't give a crap about badges in general so I don't badge in PvP zones at all). And one of those occasions I actually pimpsmacked the little Stalker punk and his Brute bodyguard singlehandedly. I took satisfaction in ruining their fun, but it wasn't fun in the slightest for me. Satisfying yes, because I think they're jerks, and it's always satisfying to wipe the smile off a jerk's face, but fun? Not at all.

I do not like PvP. I simply cannot have fun in that sort of competitive atmosphere. It's nice that you can, but a large segment of the playerbase simply cannot and never will. It's the height of poor design to keep trying to force them into the PvP zones when they're never going to have fun there.

That's why it's bad design.

Nothing awarded in a PvP zone should have any effect on the PvE game at all. If Shivans are going to be in PvP zones they should ONLY be usable on other players. Same with nukes. Same with anything placed in a PvP zone, ever. Including PvP IO drops.

Originally Posted by Redd Rumm

I have tried again an again to make elec armor work on a brute an i just cant stand it ! So i was wondering how was it on a tank an what secondary would u recomend for one . like would a elc/ice tanker work ?