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Originally Posted by Tired Angel

Ok - so ive spent the last couple of hours going over manipulation sets and blaster sets this is what I have come up with Dark Blast and Dark Manipulation for Blasters

DARK BLAST for Blasters
1 - Dark Blast: Same as the Dark Blast Sets
1 -Gloom: Same as the Dark Blast Sets
2 - Torrent: Same as the Dark Blast Sets
6 - Dark Pit: Same as the Dark Blast Sets
8 - Dark Obliteration: As per Soul Mastery(Brute) power, Ranged AoE
12 - Moonbeam: Same as ther Dark Blast Sets
18 - Petrifying Gaze: As per Dark Miasma Set
26 - Life Drain: Same as the Dark Blast Sets
32 - Blackstar: Same as the Dark Blast Sets

DARK MANIPULATION
1 - Dark Tenticle: As per power I created for Dark Control
2 - Shadow Punch: As per Dark Melee
4 - Night Fall: Same as the Dark Blast Sets
10 - Tenebrous Tenticles: Same as the Dark Blast Sets
16 - Cloak of Darkness: As per Dark Amour
20 - Dark Consumption: As per Dark Melee
28 - Soul Drain: As per Dark Melee
35 - Oppresive Gloom: As per Dark Armour
38 - Midnight Grasp: As per Dark Melee

DARKNESS MASTERY - Blaster
41 - Touch of Fear: As per Dark Melee
41 - Dark Petrification: As per power I created for Dark Control
44 - Dark Embrace: As per Dark Armour
44 - Darkest Night: As per Dark Miasma
47 - Soul Transfer: As per Dark Armour

I think the only thing left that does have a full dark set is an APP for tanks but you can just copy the scrapper one for that!!!!!

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

Both very true.
MA/SR, however, is an extreme case which, in my opinion anyway, needs a numbers re-run. I guess that MA/Regen or MA/Willpower, or a different set with /SR might not suffer so badly. But if there are combinations that can leave you lungless after one mob, something, surely, is up. And, no, Im not being daft with power use. Brawl is used a lot. Minor powers for finishing off near dead stuff. And still, every mob, same story.
Level 22 and 3 slotted SO stamina seems to be helping a lot, thankfully.

Originally Posted by McBoo

See, I was never bothered by the existing background or story of the EATs or VEATs. I can make use of the powersets to create character concepts of my own.


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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint

just because YOU can't do it, does not mean other people can't do it. while not a good means of defending against ranged attacks, it is a very good means of defending against melee attacks. why do you think the power is called COMBAT jumping? so it can be done in combat to avoid attacks. and paired with hurdle, it is that much better.

as for saying Lrn2play, i never said that at all and don't appriciate words being put into my mouth. hence why i had the question mark after what i said. i have no idea if the person knows how to do this, so i made a questionable suggestion to help keep them out of melee. and as it may not be the best defense against enemy attacks, it is certainly worth the try as it does help prevent melee heavy npc's from hitting you.

Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint

boulders are aranged attack, not melee. that was in direct response to B_X saying she couldn't stay out of melee range on her blaster.

Originally Posted by Silverado

Cheating.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet_NA

Yes i have run into stones who don't pick up tp and have SS, that said assuming player is competent and builds his toon properly. Both sets def/resis numbers are very good sadly even better than even pure resis/def sets, yes shield takes bit more IOs to make it right but that said even stone requires some IO work to increase the dmg/recharge.

Originally Posted by Sapphic_Neko

/energy is by far my favorite secondary for blasters. Which might be odd because i usually only pick 3-4 powers from it. Power thrust (or what the tier 1 is called) Build Up and Boost Range. Sometimes i pick a melee hit for the heck of it, but i'm not a big fan of the so called blapping.

I like staying at range, usually with hover on. my AR/EM is one of my favorite chars, hitting boost range + build up + full auto makes me giggle in glee each time. She's a cone wonder with shotgun and flamethrower also.

My DP/EM is also alot of fun, really feels it suits DP with it's curving bullet thing. Also have the tier 1 on energy on auto so if my target comes close, BAP! it flies away soaring in the sky
That it takes the knockback set for the knockback protection is also kinda nice imo. Much cheaper than slotting in a zephyrs.

Originally Posted by Biospark

My thoughts for a Ranged/Defense AT is to make the Defense Primary and then have a Controller/Blaster hybrid as the secondary. You give them low HPs to avoid actually being Tanks, even though they have Tanker-Level Defense.

Since their Attack set would be reduced to a dmg mod of .75 to .85 they should be durable, but with lower damage so Blasters and Corruptors will not be Jealous of their damage. You then Mix in Single Target Blasts and Controls but very little AoE so that controllers are not marginalized. No need for melee attacks, but perhaps some could be added in the ancillary powers.

At the Tier 9 instead of Pets, you could have a Defender-Strength Nuke. It would be interesting to have an AT with both a primary and a secondary Crash power. But my original thought was to come up with a completely new and unique Tier 9 instead.

Originally Posted by Far_Realm

I gave them medium hit points. I want them to be able to take damage at least as well as a Scrapper. It seems to me that too much is made of the protection from damage range gives you. This may be true at the lowest of levels when you're fighting Skulls and Hellions, but there are lots of enemies who do vicious damage at range (Nemesis, Longbow, and the Redcaps come to mind).

Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood

Personally, I think an Assault/Defense AT would be balanced with the right AT modifiers. The trick (which has already been bought up) is that it needs to not do so much Ranged damage as to render Blaster obsolete and not be so tough as to render Scrappers obsolete. To some extent the first requirement is already incorporated in the design of the Assault sets themselves. Assault sets do not have the ranged AoE capability of Blast sets; generally only having a cone for ranged AoE with all other AoEs being melee range. Thus they are forced to close to melee range if they want to maximize their AoE potential. So realistically I think the AT can be balanced with respect to Blasters simply by carful setting of the damage modifiers (I'd suggest 1.0 ranged and 1.1 melee)

The issue with not rendering Scrappers obsolete is a little trickier. Here are the unenhanced resistance values for Kheldians in Human form which is essentially an Assault/Defense AT (ignoring Eclipse for Warshades):
22.5/22.5/22.5/22.5/33.8/33.8/15/0 (Warshades also get 3.75% defense)

Now compare this to the resistance values for a few Scrapper sets:
Electric: 26.3/26.3/26.3/26.3/61.9/22.5/0/26.3
Fire: 22.5/22.5/67.5/15/22.5/22.5/15/0
Invulnerability: 33.8/33.8/15/15/15/15/15/0 (also has 7.5%-15% defense depending on how many enemies are in melee range)

So overall the Kheldian resistance values are in line with Scrapper values except that Khelds do not get status protection unless they go into Dwarf form (at which point they are no longer an Assault/Defense AT).


Now lets look at the Crab Soldier, unlike the Kheldians he does get status protection (except Knockback) alongside both Resistance and Defense. Specifically he gets (assuming Wolf Spider Armor is skipped):
Defense: 17.5 Ranged, 10% to all others (both Typed and Positional)
Resistance: 18/18/25/25/25/25/2

Now for Scrappers there aren't really any direct comparisons but lets consider the two closest sets. Shield Defense gets 15% positional defense and 11.3% resistance to all but psi. Super Reflexes gets 19.5% positional defense plus scaling resistances at lower health. As with the Khelds these numbers are reasonably in line with the Scrapper numbers for similar sets.

So in conclusion since the EATs are already Assault/Defense ATs with Scrapper level defenses I think a generic Assault/Defense AT could be made without marginalizing either Scrappers or Blasters simply by giving it lower damage modifiers than they have. Besides, both ATs were marginalized in team play by Defenders years ago.

In terms of powersets, I'd say for the Assault sets replace Power Boost with Build Up since Power Boost would be problematic for the AT. Additionally for secondaries Shield would have to be left out since the assault sets use Blast set animations involving both arms.

Originally Posted by AshWind

Earth Assualt is very smashy if you like melee you will love Earth (it seems to be mostly pirated stone melee anyways).

Might I suggest a different primary? Mind is great and will work good but there are two other primaries that show good synergy with Earth assualt in particular. Gravity and Ice show the best synergy. Ice because with artic air/shiver/iceslick you can get up close and unleash you melee attacks. Ice would be my top pick to pair with Earth Assualt. My current toon is Gravity/Earth and he is a blast to play. Gravity is good because the immobilizes still allow for knockdown/knockup which Earth is jammed full of.

My grav/earth is a blast to play fun animations, fun powers and you leave a trail of rocks and propel waste everywhere. If you have any leaning towards a min/max dominator I would look elsewhere, but if you want a different playstyle/versatile toon Ice/Earth or Grav/Earth might be for you.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet_NA

Dark Armor is still better than Ice IMO when it is fully IOed out but with OPed sets like Shield or Stone it is hard to justify rolling any other.

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

And theres a reason for that to. Because people prefer to move at a comfortable speed, because it's more fun. Having to Rest after every fight is boring. Having to trade inspirations around when Rest isnt recharged is boring. Pre-20 missions run ok, because most people dont have stamina or a clone yet, and the enemies are at the sort of level where they are easy enough to deal with.

Around and after 20, you start having mroe toggles to run/more power to use/enemies that require more end consumption. There is, is you dont take Stamina or a clone, no relative growth to encompass that.
And, if super-fit is the designated 'Norm' for super heroes or just regular heroes, doesnt that make it even wierder that you have to effectively 'waste' a power pool and three powers on just basic effectiveness? On just being able to not have to rest after ever mob/other mob, which isn't excatly super-heroic?

(Not trying to be arkward, just presenting the other side of the discussion )

Originally Posted by mousedroid

I use a basic Logitec cordless keyboard to play CoX on my laptop, and the only time I have problems is when the batteries are running down. If I press a button and nothing happens, I know it's time to change the batteries. That said, I don't create hotkeys or do any other kind of "fancy stuff" that is keyoard related. I mainly use it to mash the Q-W-E, Tab, and Space Bar, and to chat.

Originally Posted by Kegan

The sad part of this all ... Had you just rejoined you would have been silenced by another Mod. We have never Perma-kicked anyone from the Chanel. We normally Silence and depending on your reaction either unsilence moments later or leave you to another MOD if you are too confrontational. (IE sending me tells, having your friends send me tells) If your kicked its more that you really pissed us off and want to make point that that was WAY over the line. (Just ask Xad how many time he has been kicked and silenced? I still <3 him,) As for a rule book. There is one floating about in cyber space somewhere. But treads get deleted, unstickied, MOTD changed. The rules wont be the a perma message of the day .. we use that for important things like announcements. You have all seen what they are .. I posted them ... BT has posted them. To be clear there are 4 MODS that currently play the game. BT, Kid, Sandy and Myself. That's 4 vs 2000, you do the math. The Chanel is what it is and you all chose to be a part of it when you click the join button. No one forces you to join or forces you to stay. So play by the rules and just get along? Is that so hard? Be nicer to people. That all I ask. As MODs we will try to be more patient with you.

Originally Posted by Kegan

I believe there was a link involved and as a MOD for VU I just have to say people need to start being a little more respectful. Stop calling people idiots and stop being mean just to be mean. Being assaulted is not a joke. I was not the MOD that kicked you but then I didn't see the whole thing either. Show some respect people. VU2010 is for forming Teams, TFs, Hami Raids, and chatting about builds and the game. Not calling people idiots, bashing the game and the developers and making jokes you wouldn't tell at work. So really everyone need to take a step back and think before you talk. As MODs we all give you space to speak your mind as long as your are respectful of others. We have 3 rules. Break them and you may be silenced. Break them enough and you will be kicked.

No Politics
No Religion
No Bullying

Originally Posted by 2Sly4U

i need some help on what the best secondary would be for a dual pistol blaster i was thinking mental,energy or device they are all pretty good from what i can see and i'm soloing so what would give me the best bag of tricks ?

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

The way I see it, they are pretty much Spiders and Kheldians, without the constricting concepts.

Seriously. Spiders and PBs (less so WS's) are, when you get down to it, Blast or Assaul primary, Shields secondary. The only limit is the storyline and theme.

As someone who really wanted to make a DP/SR character, /Signed

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

I'll still argue for making stamina less of a 'Need' power.
"Everyone, bar WS's, /regen, /willpower and those with end+ powers take it"
...Soooo, doesn't that kinda suggest all it's really doing is taking up 3 power slots and a pool pick? Yes, you can skip it, even on builds that dont get a +end power. And you pay for it by having to heavily slot for end red, and still being far more anaemic than builds that take it. It's like skipping out on a lung in real life, or something (tad extreme, but still)