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Quote:I remember getting "terrible idea" responses to that idea too.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Every time I remember this, I thank my lucky star that they chose to unsuck Martial Arts. I appreciate it.
Now if they'll just let us enhance the Defense Debuff of CaK, so I can slot it with a Defense Debuff IO from on of the sets! -
Quote:Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
I like Zach Snyder, and I liked 300 and Watchmen. But this is one of those movies that I need to be spoiled before I'll go see it.
I've been looking for a spoiler for this movie, and all I've found is an implication (not an outright statement) that:
***SPOILER***
...at the end the main character is lobotomized, and remains imprisoned in the mental institution while her mind continues fantasizing.
And if that's true then I don't want to see this film. That's a horrible way to end a movie. Worse for me, because I'm schizophrenic, and I don't need to hear that my disease is useless for affecting the real world and to be happy I should go get a lobotomy.
Screw that noise. I'd rather get my broadsword and fight my own chaingun-weilding samurais than waste time in a movie like that.
You do realize anything that deals with psychiatry in this film, does so from a 1950's perspective, right?
Also, the main character wasn't schizophrenic, she was very much depressed (mother died, step father abusing and then her sister dies) and really didn't belong in a mental institute to begin with.
Sooo, if that's your worry. No need to be worry. -
Quote:Bard needs a name change for sure.Originally Posted by Hercules
BARD
Currently:
Controller = Primary:Control, Secondary:Buff/Debuff/Heal
Defender = Primary:Buff/Debuff/Heal, Secondary: Damage
How about:
Bard = Primary: Buff/Debuff, Secondary: A mix of damage and control
Instead of cast and forget buffs, I'd have toggleable AE "songs" that buff or debuff.
Already suggested this once and had it shot down, but cant hurt to bring it up again....
BEAST MASTER ( aka: Hunter )
Primary= Damage via a single summonable pet. Attacks vary depending on which pet is summoned ( I'd have something like Widows, where you choose tracks ). Would play something like an MM, but would have only a single powerful pet.
Secondary=Defense ( somewhat lower than a scrapper, but higher than squishy archtypes )
Alternatives would be just to have beast mastery as a secondary powerset for Blasters OR
to have Primary be damage ( like a blaster, but with a lower damage scale ), and summon beast powersets as the secondary.
Though it sounds like it would have Cold Domination/Ice Blast unchanged from the original, so might want to give the AT different mods from corrs and defenders.
Beast Master would only work imo if the Primary included a few personal attacks, like the MM. -
Quote:Well, close in the sense that we can make a fuku outfit. Baby Doll's is so much better looking thoughOriginally Posted by Ironik
However, I did notice that the outfit the main girl wears can be easily replicated with the CoH costume creator.
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Quote:Fishnets and low cut skirts! They are drawn to them!Originally Posted by Dark One
Emily Browning (Babydoll) is 23. That's a good ways from "uncertain" aged. And it's not that sexualized as there is no nudity in the movie.
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Quote:That's the difference between IMPLIED/ALLUDING TO and SHOWING IT.Originally Posted by Steamee
You guys are all wrong.
Saw this last night. I'd give it a "B". I liked 300 and Watchmen (in that order). I'm into fantasy/SF art and this thing looked amazing from the trailers. And it was. I just couldn't help but feel though that the battle inserts were totally hollow to the rest of the movie. A shame that such ridiculously good looking set pieces weren't better utilized in an even slightly more coherent way.
So I found the action pieces intruding on the story I really wanted to follow. I liked the non-fighting elements of the movie more as both visual and from a story perspective. The attention to detail in the 1960s era set pieces. The characters' make up. The battle scenes are ridiculously bombastic and fun, but I just couldn't get it to fit. Yes, I understand it's a fantasy within a fantasy within a story. It just felt too crammed in. Too many different themes. My buddy and I both agree that the WWI piece was the best. Maybe Zack should have just went with one setting spread over the 3-4 sequences.
The girls were good looking, but personally I didn't find it overly fetish considering it was basically a fantasy about forced servitude in a bordello. Maybe I just don't see it because I'm not "into" that. I had a harder time believing that this was PG-13 based more on the subject matter. As the woman with us said, "It was kind of rapey."
It's worth seeing. For me it was borderline worth seeing at the theatre.
I didn't get the lolita vibe, but I guess it was more of something I just missed myself. But I can see why people would think that, but really, I'd say that's only the case for Baby Doll (main character) not the other four girls. -
Quote:Eh. The comic story seemed slow for what I read and the artwork didn't appeal to me at all. I need one or the other to enjoy a comic.Originally Posted by Cass_
This says to belive the critics and ignore everything that you type.
Watchmen is my second favorite book of all time after Catch 22.
The film was drivel made by a slow mo obsessed child with an ultra violence fetish.
I don't expect sucker punch to be better since it didn't even have good material to murder, just his dumb ramblings.
When my favorite comic got a lousy artist and the fun writing took a nose dive, I ended up dropping a the book. :/ -
Quote:o.O Wouldn't lolita mean at the very least, 17 and under? The main character of the movie is 20 (not the actress, the character), and the other characters, I never got the feeling they weren't under 18, in fact, I got the feeling they were older than the main character.Originally Posted by That_Ninja
I'm really put off by the whole Lolita vibe of the film.
Or is it that the main character is in pig tails and a fuku? -
I'm not sure if "jump into the group and smash buttons" is much on strategy, but welcome to CoH none the less!
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Quote:It's time to let it go. Dollhouse was doing so poor in the ratings, fans were lucky to get a second season.Originally Posted by Inazuma
Thank you, Fox, for not being your usual idiotic self!
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Quote:Wait...wait...why would you skip Eagle's Claw? It gives a +33% chance to crit on the next attack used.Originally Posted by Postagulous
For great advice on MA, click Search (^^ up there), then advanced. Look for the word "crane" by user Umbral. On the bottom left, "show results at posts."
(Where is Umbral these days?)
Not only did he give good advice, but there were usually other expert-like folks bumping heads with him.
I'm about to respec my Ma/inv, a 50 but not incarnate. The one big change I'll do, not take eagle.
Here's a prior thread about MA/Regen. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...ighlight=crane
And Umbral's response:
EC + Dragon's Tail for lots more critting! -
Quote:No elevator in the building?Originally Posted by McNum
This one is just plain mean:
Yes, the only way up or down is that narrow staircase.
As for the door and the stairway, it would usually have a porch/larger area so the door doesn't swing so far over the steps.
Also likely in that position, the door would swing the other way, not out over the stairs. -
Quote:Does that MM happen to be a Bots/Traps MM on Virtue?Originally Posted by Patteroast
For my search message, I usually like to simply state my powersets and say, 'Send me a tell!'
It conveys that I would like to team and would not like blind invites, without the awkwardness associated with being invited just before logging off ("But you say you're always up for a team!") or being berated by weird anti-no-blind-invites people ("How dare you tell me what to do! I will now tell you what to do.") It also sounds friendly, at least to me.
I occasionally mix it up on some characters... t3h Ub3rbl4st3r's message is "S3nd m3 4 t311! (I promise I won't actually talk like that.)" and my petless MM has "Warning! Petless mastermind! (But please team with me anyway.)" That one has actually pulled in a few people curious about the very existence of such a thing.
When I'm actively trying to recruit for a team, I prefer to use a simple and polite, "Hello! Would you be interested in a level XX mission team?" -
Quote:Well then, here's hoping when it get to theaters, I walk out thinking, "If only Richard Harris was still alive"Originally Posted by Demobot
I doubt they'll trim too much for the film. A lot of how the finale unfolds depends heavily on Snape, and Alan Rickman was one of the first people Rowling told that Snape had been in love with Lily. Snape's love for Lily is pretty much the crux of his character; it's the reason he betrayed Voldemort, the reason he intensely dislikes Harry (who serves as a living reminder that Lily chose another man), and it's also the reason Dumbledore put his full faith and confidence in him, even to the point that he would ask Snape to kill him.
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Quote:ALL RIGHT! GO GENERATION X! \o/Originally Posted by Fista
I'm gonna go with "it's a generational thing". I've watched paint drying that had more emotional depth and a deeper plot than this movie.
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Quote:I'm starting to think the critics need everything spelled out for them.Originally Posted by Oliin
I more bring up the review (and didn't post the link) due to the sheer level of anger the two reviewers had towards Sucker Punch and its 'intended audience' than anything else. It was a long-running rant that had a couple curse words involved and eventually regressed into, "Dang kids, get off mah lawn," territory.
The movie had three parts to it...
The real world. In which you only see the beginning and end to.
The imaginary world. The main character's escape into her imagination which stylizes what she's going through in her real life. You're basically seeing things through the eyes of a distraught/delussional/broken girl here.
And the imaginary world within the imaginary world. Escaping to the first imaginary world wasn't enough, for her to go through with everything she was doing in RL, it had to seem even more so.
Instead of watching a distraught girl trying to break out of a mental hospital and what she really went through to do it. You're instead given two hours of how the distraught girl see's it basically happening in her head.
And by distraught, I mean, she's broken! She's lost it! Mother dead. Sister dead. Step father who abused her and her sister locked her away in a mental asylum. The police? This is the 50's...older adult step father or 20 something girl who seems to have lost it to the point where she's just given up...the police of course side with the step father.
Do we want to see the main character in raggedy asylum clothes, going through her psychiatric sessions as she plots her escape while playing checkers with others in the asylum?
Or do you want to see what she see's trying to cope with the madness (real life) around her?
I get the feeling the critics wanted to see the former.
Though sidenote...one audience review said the mixture of scifi, steampunk, anime, fantasy battles made the movie basically unwatchable. o.O Did they not watch the trailer to see that it had all that wrapped up in one?
I watched the trailer AGAIN after reading that review and sure enough, that's what the trailer showed! Demon samurai, jet packs, dragon, mecha...
I was at a lose for that one. -
In the end of it all...you ran a TF within about it's average time (it's 40 merits, suggesting a 1:20 avg time...maybe less if they're giving a few bonus merits) and won.
Deaths along the way happen from time to time. 84 deaths and you still managed to come in under the average time. Not to bad then! -
Quote:Have you played a defensive softcapped Blaster?Originally Posted by Hatred666
Resistance and Hit Points are already capped per AT, and I think the defense soft cap should seriously be looked at being changed as well for the different archetypes.
Soft capping adds a level of survivability that shouldn't be achievable except for Tanks and possibly Brutes. My tank isn't going to reach the level of damage that my Scrapper or Blaster is going to do, so therefore my Scrapper or Blaster shouldn't be able to reach my Tanks survivability.
Yes, I realize Fire/ and Shield/ tanks can do insane amounts of damage. But tanks are limited to specific sets to reach that level of damage. Any powerset combination for Blasters or Scrappers can reach a defensive cap, or any powerset for any other AT for that matter.
I have. They're survivalable! Very much so!
You know what? They are no where as survivable as a melee AT at softcap.
Take any melee combo, and put it between Tanker, Scrappers, Brutes and Stalkers.
The Tanker will be the most survivable.
This might not seem like much on a pure defense Tanker, but currently they only have one real defense set...Ice Armor (though it has a few other things to layer it's defense...+HP/Heal, -DMG Aura, -END power...of this set set, I think it only needs a S/L Resist put into it's first armor, and possibly more DDR).
If Tankers had SR (Brutes do), you'd see the Tanker SR surviving more than the SR Scrapper because of that added +HP (as SR Brutes do now compared to Scrappers)
Now when it's a one trick pony, that might not seem like much. :/ But figure the Defense based Tankers need to worry less about adding on +Defense, and then can work on ways to increase their dmg output.
Will it generally reach Scrapper level offense? No. But then a Scrapper will never have a corresponding Tankers defenses.
For a good comparison...ELM/WP Combo (as it's available to all 4 melee ATs).
Something I would suggest (but know it would be shot down)...
Tanker: +.05 to damage mod.
Brute: +4% to base resists on shields, +2% to base defense on shields (for passives maybe a +2%/+1% respectively), lower Resist Cap to 85%, but this is based more on thinking the Brutes do enough below scrappers in damage (solo wise) to give them a bit more defense outside of extra Health.
Scrappers: Raise resist cap to 80%. Solo wise, this only effects Fire Armor and Electric Armor in their favored resists. INV can achieve 75% S/L Resist solo, but it's not easy and requires taking a hit in damage (I believe Bass Ackwards DM/INV was able to achieve 73% S/L Resist without sacrificing damage, but it wasn't cheap, and hitting 80% would likely be impossible).
Stalkers: Raise the DMG MOD to scrapper levels! The fact that my stalker does less DPS than my Scrapper is just depressing. Keep the resist cap as is (at 75% same as every AT outside of Tankers, Brutes, and Epic ATs) Solo wise, Stalkers would have the damage over Scrappers, while losing out in the survival.
...now that's just seperating the melee ATs.
As for the squishie ATs gaining softcapped defenses. Again, it doesn't put them on par with the Melee ATs AT ALL. The closest I found to even come close (in my experience) was Dark Miasma users, but even then, one mez gets through, I was usually done for without a quick Break Free to hopefully recover in time with.
My Rad Defender at softcap never felt as tough as my DM Defender at softcap.
And Blasters do have more damage than Scrappers, it just tends to be more AOE focused. There are of course exceptions on both sides. -
Quote:The main characters of the movie are kick-*** heroes dressed in tight/revealing outfits, when it enters the imaginary world of the main character.Originally Posted by Oliin
So I found a weird video review by theoretically 'real' critics (members of the LA Film Critic Association) on blip.tv .... They basically spent half of their video's length insulting the "15 year old video game playing boys," who are obviously the prime demographic for Sucker Punch. I wasn't even planning on seeing the film anytime soon and I think I came away feeling insulted.
So of course they bash it, and the ones they think it's aimed at. Critics are film snobs who don't tend to like anything they don't consider "high thinking" or "I can't hate this movie, because specific demographics will hate me for hating it" -
Quote:I don't think they will either. I just fear it.Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I don't think they'll leave him as a bad guy, even though they have a ton of stuff to get through in the second part still.
They've made enough changes from the books to the movie that makes me wonder if they'll skip that part for some reason. -
Quote:I loved Routh as Superman as well! I think he was perfect for the role.Originally Posted by That_Ninja
I liked Routh as Superman. The problem wasn't him, the problem was that he was in a terrible movie.
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Quote:I haven't read all the Watchmen graphic novel. But I'd agree with you Starflier.Originally Posted by Starflier
Watchmen (movie) was better than Watchmen (graphic novel).
Yeah, I said it.
Because it's true.
Hopefully I'll be seeing this Sunday afternoon.
From what I have read, I was not nearly as entertained as I was by the movie. -
Quote:I can't help but disagree.Originally Posted by Lothic
Well as of this post the critic rating for Sucker Punch is down to 20%. We just got back from a matinee of this movie and let's just say that rating is unfortunately right about on target. As I said in an earlier post RottenTomatoes.com has been pretty close to the mark in the last few years and this movie is no exception to that.
I won't provide any spoilers for those who still want to see this. But I'll comfortably say that I'm glad we didn't pay more than matinee prices for it and if I never see this movie again I won't be missing out on any long term "entertainment" value. Needless to say we won't be bothering to buy the Blu-ray for this one.
In a nutshell there's only about 20 minutes worth of "cool" action scenes and even those weren't particularly earth-shatteringly impressive. The rest of it was just a mess of storytelling and half-baked themes that never really gelled into anything worth caring about. Maybe the best way to describe it was that it was like watching a 109 minute trailer for a movie that's never actually going to exist. The pacing/editing was so quick and disjointed that it was as if it was too busy trying to hype itself up as something cool watch instead of actually -being- something cool to watch.
I guess on some level I got some fleeting entertainment from it. But even as someone who generally loves anime/manga/comics of all kinds this movie is going to be quickly forgotten as a footnote to something that could have been so much better.
And only 20 minutes of cool action scenes? It felt like there was more. Maybe it's because the movie did move so fast, which isn't a bad thing imo. -
Quote:I posted in the Sucker Punch thread. So won't put all that back in here.Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
Not sure where they got their numbers for the masses having the same opinion either. I generally give about a 20% buffer between critics and the masses. Suckerpunch is at 76% with the masses. Ok. Big Momma's House I and II got 68% and 69% respectively. Yeah, not putting much faith in that 76%.
However, I will say, the professional critics, just didn't get the movie imo. I read quite a few of the reviews, and reading them, I can't help but think they really didn't watch the movie or just didn't get the point.
They went in for the awesome fight visuals you see in the trailers and then don't pay attention to the rest of the movie.
It wasn't a complicated movie. The things they said were missing, weren't missing, they weren't the point of the movie.
To point to a couple review points I saw, the point of the movie wasn't to see Baby Doll do this OMG jaw droppingsexy dance when in her imaginary world. That's why you just see her basically standing there BEFORE you see what the real dance is. It's the imaginary world within the imaginary world where she takes herself during that dance which is the OMG AWESOME visual for the audience.
This isn't Chicago. We're not getting Broadway.
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I have to agree. To those seeing all the negative reviews. Don't listen to them. Those reviewers are basically fixating on the action scenes. And not paying attention to the rest of the movie.
Yes. The movie has stylized fights with girls in tight and/or revealing outfits. This is the anime/comic influence for sure.
But I have to say it again. Don't listen to the reviewers. They're not watching the movie to understand it. They're watching the movie to just bad mouth it. No Really. They are.
The plot is simple admittedly. But it doesn't need a complicated plot. There are no major complications, because there doesn't need to be.
The story is simple, fun, and leads to the FUN FACTOR. It's seeing this depressing hell, then being taken away to a fantastical world, then going back to the depressing hell, then being taken back to the ESCAPISM!
Knowing what happened to all the girls (outside of Baby Doll and Sweet Pea) is really not a concern. The movie alludes to what happened to the other girls through Baby Doll's imaginary worlds.
The Sucker Punch at the end of the movie. Is it this big OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE IT ENDING? No. I'd say it's the reason for the title of the movie, but it's not like it's going to leave your jaw dropped and asking "WHAT?!" like you did at the end of Inception.
Now, spoilers ahead, but I don't think you can really know how wrong the reviews have been (imo anyways) without spoilers, or just seeing it for yourself.
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*SPOILERS*
*I SAID SPOILERS*
*DIDN'T YOU LISTEN?*
*OKAY HERE IT IS*
*REALLY I MEAN IT! YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN HOW BAD THE OTHER REVIEWS ARE WITHOUT SPOILERS!*
*LAST CHANCE TO NOT JUST SEE IT FOR YOURSELF*
When reading the reviews, I heard such things as the head pyschologist of the mental institute that the main character (Baby Doll) is sent to basically believes in "Here, you've been *****, escape into your own world"
That's not what is being said AT ALL. The real world of this film doesn't take place in modern times. It takes place in something more akin to a stylized 1950's.
Like Inception, this is very much a world within a world. There's the real world, there's Baby Doll's imagination, and then there's Baby Doll's imagination within the imagination.
In the first imagination world, I can't help but see it as her stylized thoughts in how they (the girls) are treated in the mental institute. The head orderly cares little for the girls, mistreats them, uses them, and I'm pretty sure has had his way with a few of them.
Not being with the head psychotrist long, this is basically her imaginary world. One where she goes on to fight for freedom from the mental institute.
There were complaints about not seeing her dancing and instead just seeing everyone's reactions to her dancing, and what little you do see, is just of her face and her basically swaying her shoulders back and forth.
That's the point! You're not suppossed to see her dance. That's just the slow start. Her imaginary world within the imaginaary world is the true dance!
The styled action and awesome effects, the superhero/anime/steampunk/cyberpunk hybrid world that you see in the trailers, THIS IS THE DANCE. But instead of the dance she's showing the audience, we're seeing the fight for freedom going on her head in amazing, AWESOME action!
Is some of the tech in the imagination out of place for a girl from a time that looks to be the 1950's? YES! BUT THAT'S NOT THAT POINT! The point is to give the awesome comic book/anime world of action sequences and awesomeness!
Zombie Steampunk Nazi's being killed? AWESOME!
Chaingun toting Demon Samurai? AWESOME!
Fire breathing dragon chase scene? AWESOME!
Those professional reviewers just don't get the movie!