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I duel any of you.

not paying attention FTW?

Disregarding the general pessimism that is rampant and contagious, I'll stick with simply quoting:

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And move on. Thanks fer yer thoughts!

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Sorry for the double post.

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In any case study, the individuals involved MUST be consenting parties to the study in order to avoid any lawsuits from physical or mental duress. From what I understand this wasn't the case. This was an unlawful study with involuntary parties.

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Online this is a relative grey area as it is such a new thing. In certain cases, yes you need consent. In other cases, you do not need consent. He did not name anyone explicatively nor did he admit to any wrong-doings of his own so he should be in the clear.

Among the first things you learn when dealing with people is to always have consent. If you do not have consent, then your Ph.D, reputation, job, and money will probably be at risk. As I said before, in my case, I need approval from two federal agencies (tough ones to gain approval for) and explicit waivers and very simple termed release forums.

They go along the lines of "I, ___ agree to x. I will undergo y, z, a, c. I understand that this is for research purposes only and not for recreational purposes. I understand all of the side effects of x. I will not sue [my name], [my university], DEA, FDA, etc."

Only after they have consented to the above, they will be permissible to undergo the therapy and other experiments. I will get both written and spoken forms of consent before each session, etc. The problem with research like that is that everyone reacts differently and there is no such thing as a control for human specimen. Where some might become insane others might giggle. Where some might start crying others may feel love for everything. Some might become afraid, some might be brave.

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Dude, if this is LSD, sign me up, k?

What do you think? If you could set up maps with specific objectives, or *capture the flag* or set/difuse the bombs, or rescue/kidnap, or kill/arrest more npc's.

Or perhaps just set a mish flag to *PvPable* to make it so that another team from the other side could come in and *interrupt* you from accomplishing whatever the task of the mish is. Or just design whatever sort of zone you'd like to pvp with yer friends on . . . etc.

Would you pvp in AE if it was avail?

Dark really hit it right on the money. Do Stalkers have unique benefits that can be seen as *training wheels* for new players? Aye.

Are they as easy to play as they appear or are being made out to be by some in this thread? Hell no.

In the EM stalker heyday, 2-3 hit solo kills were all the rage, but even then, no one walking into a pvp zone their first day on a stalker was gonna pull it off on anything but another n00b that stood there and let them do it. Granted, it didn't take long, comparitively speaking, to figure it out, but either does playing any other fotm AT/powerset.

Things are considerably harder now for a stalker, as has been pointed out. Sure you can choose when to engage, and if yer a lame duck like my *opponent* in the DUEL MEH!! thread and will never even try any fight you don't know for sure you can win, you will never ever die.

How boring that experience must be, and how sad your life must be if you are that sort of PvP'er?

Right now, there's plenty *easier* AT's to play than a stalker. A PB in SC atm, for instance. More buttons to mash, sure. Timing to work out, sure. But difficult? No. Is flying at the top of the zone and only swooping down to kill a target any different than bouncing around in hide? I think not. An hour in SC at peak hours on Freedom netted me countless kills, zero deaths on an SO'd lvl 50 PB I'd had shelved for about a year and a half now. It's now back on the shelf. Way too easy and boring for me.

Is bouncing around on a Sonic Blaster pew-pew-pewing any target into a free trip to the rez porter in 3 hits somehow difficult?

In the face of overwhelming odds, the stalker can wait it out, so can that PB, so can that sonic blaster, or any other AT.

Some would insist only the stalker can bounce around the zone and avoid the big mobs. Here's a secret: so can any other AT. If they're parked in front of your base, psst, don't go out that way.

I have multiples of every AT sitting at 50, except veats and epics, which I only have one of each. ALL of them see time in pvp zones. Are my stalkers the easiest toon to play in zone since i13/14/15? Not by a very long shot.

Every toon has it's advantages. Gratz to you on figuring out the Stalker's advantages. Welcome to where everyone else was 2 years ago.

Glossing over their weaknesses and ignoring all the advantages that other AT's have over them means you are purposefully being obtuse, or are simply clueless.

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Because he put himself in the position to be killed by a team. It was his choice to engage when the odds were not in his favor. He could have chosen to remain hidden and never die.

Which I believe is what the previous poster said.

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*face palm* Point was, it doesn't matter how good you are, you can still die. Because the Stalker got killed by a team does not mean he put himself in that situation, unless you expect every Stalker to have ESP so they know not to attack certain people.

Also, I've heard people on more than one occasion refer to their build as "A Stalker Hunter"

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If people call themselves something it must be true. The ONLY AT capable of seeing a stalker beyond 10ft are VEAT's. Sure some builds are effective at destealthing stalkers by using the distance render glitch and then zipping over to where they are, but that only works on semi-afk stalkers.

If a stalker sets out with a goal of having a x:0 kill/death ratio it is entirely possible to achieve. Stalkers only die if/when they get careless.

I'm not saying getting careless is always negative, it is usually quite fun, but that doesn't change the facts.

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No, it don't change the facts. It does prove you know nothing about how to play a stalker.

Yes, I can bounce around on my stalker anywhere in zone and avoid anyone that could possibly unhide me and never get killed.

Any AT could do the same: Never enter a PvP zone or never leave the base once they do.

Once the stalker engages, he's vulnerable.

Your whining is less about stalkers and more about your inability to kill them, yes?

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I have trouble killing stalkers? pull your head out of your [censored], the majority of stalkers suck as bad as you do and fall over dead constantly. Just because most suck like you doesn't mean they have to.

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So hostile. This is gonna turn into another *DUEL MEH!!* thread, right?

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No other AT in the game can bounce around a zone with complete immunity. It doesn't take a genius to know that, just an IQ of about 64, so I guess you didn't make the cut off. Too bad.

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My bad, didn't know this was a *[censored] about stalkers* thread and that we were in i7. Thought everyone else had caught up and figured things out. Oh wait, this is i15? 8 issues later and yer still [censored]? omg. srsly?

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A stalker with the skills of a retarded monkey will NEVER die to a single opponent in zone pvp. Ever.

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Bet you 100 million inf you can't produce one retarded monkey to support your claim. Make that a billion. Or two.

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Now read this part carefully, maybe get your mom to explain it to you because I think you need it:
-If a stalker is fighting more than ONE person by themselves they are taking an unnecessary RISK. Hence no stalker ever has to die unless they get careless.

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You're cute when you can't prove a point. You get all hostile and stuff. You emit phermones. Anyone ever tell you that? Even through the internetz i can whiff em.

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Once again for the slow people present. Being careless doesn't equate to being negative. It is usually how you have the most fun on a stalker because the three brain cells they require to perform well in zone pvp means that unless you play recklessly you risk brain atrophy. Which you certainly can't afford.

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lol, i think i love you. srsly, have my babies?

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Be sure to get your live-in aid to help you read this a few times before you respond. thx.

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i did, she translated it into 5 different languages and then back again and no matter what, it still sounded like you whining like a [censored].

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P.S. If you are talking about a stalker in team vs team pvp (like that happens in zone pvp, but anyway) then sure he might be at risk of getting killed when he decloaks to kill a mezzed/knocked squishy. It's probable...just unlikely. This discussion has largely been about zone pvp though.

correction: It has entirely been about zone pvp.

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oh gawd, from clueless [censored] to hostile clueless [censored]. I can't wait fer yer next post. srsly.

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Stalkers only die if/when they get careless.

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still disagree.

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Rightly so.

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Because he put himself in the position to be killed by a team. It was his choice to engage when the odds were not in his favor. He could have chosen to remain hidden and never die.

Which I believe is what the previous poster said.

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*face palm* Point was, it doesn't matter how good you are, you can still die. Because the Stalker got killed by a team does not mean he put himself in that situation, unless you expect every Stalker to have ESP so they know not to attack certain people.

Also, I've heard people on more than one occasion refer to their build as "A Stalker Hunter"

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If people call themselves something it must be true. The ONLY AT capable of seeing a stalker beyond 10ft are VEAT's. Sure some builds are effective at destealthing stalkers by using the distance render glitch and then zipping over to where they are, but that only works on semi-afk stalkers.

If a stalker sets out with a goal of having a x:0 kill/death ratio it is entirely possible to achieve. Stalkers only die if/when they get careless.

I'm not saying getting careless is always negative, it is usually quite fun, but that doesn't change the facts.

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No, it don't change the facts. It does prove you know nothing about how to play a stalker.

Yes, I can bounce around on my stalker anywhere in zone and avoid anyone that could possibly unhide me and never get killed.

Any AT could do the same: Never enter a PvP zone or never leave the base once they do.

Once the stalker engages, he's vulnerable.

Your whining is less about stalkers and more about your inability to kill them, yes?

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*if you don't have something nice to say, don't say nuthin*

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buh

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ahh well I did hear there was a group on test w/the same name....

I hope there good...since they have borrowed a name

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*they're* you illiterate nubz.
Let's go back in TIME!

cuz there's no way in hell that it's easier to farm them in zone. nope. no way in hell.

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Was there an undocumented change PVP IO drop rates, or the whole drop system for them entirely changed ?

If so this should have been noted here, even if flagged as an exploit fix internally and wasn't in the test notes.

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Bug. We're working on it.

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Curious why there was no Big post expressing your outrage at abusing the pvp io drop system and people being banned and ios being deleted... I guess the pve care bears didn't complain at taht last get together huh?

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Posted here for the lulz.

lol

Gosh, a guy goes away from the computer for a few days and his new BFF loses his mind.


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Rei,
making myself look silly? lol, this entire thread is about a duel that happened. look who started it, don't give me 'make yourself look silly' he made himself look silly, he brought a sonic/therm, so i brought a char that was best suited to fight that char.
obviously we both chose what we thought could win,

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Not nearly accurate. I brought 8 toons that could beat your psi. You screamed, "no effing way!" to 7 of them, then you *CHOSE* to fight the sonic/therm (which might have actually been a good fight, I was sufficiently handicapped with only SO's to give you a chance), and then you swapped to a different toon, lmao. At that point, I could have stretched the punchline out further and brought an entirely different lineup that could have beaten your sonic, but I just knew you would have refused to fight any of them. At that point the joke that you are had gone on long enough.

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and sure, you beat my psi. ok?
as said before, i'm no superman.

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So you lost 7 times, then finaly won once and are crowing about it. Gotcha.

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i don't need a 'test' team,
nor a pvp sg to have a good time lol

all hail the freelance pvpers.
we have a place too.


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Right, everyone has their place. Your's is right up there between "So, this Rabbi, a chimpanzee and a watermelon walk into a bar . . ." and "There once was a guy from Nantucket . . ."

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if you wanted to flex you beating me, i won't deny it,
i don't pride self on being good in this badly written video game.

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Nope, you pride yourself at being very very bad at this *badly written video game*.

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i've served times on toher games,
a retard will be a retard,
a good player will always be a good player..
everyone know's this.

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And if they didn't, you've made it abundantly clear for even the window-licking-helmet-wearers that weren't even paying attention.

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and turthfully, i don't care how people view me..
i don't do forums.
i don't entertain the popularity contests that is disguised as 'pvpers' on forums or /ac chatter.
this is post #5. gg.

but from the 1k each that you guys have, obviously you do.

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Yer a peach. I'm yer huckleberry.

Btw: Screenshots are solid proof and can't possibly be doctored with even the most rudimentary programs

Why you would go to such extraordinary lengths to doctor that pic and deny me my one kill or *repaint* in some inspirations is simply beyond me, especially when it's already been conceded that you won that *duel* decisively.

You are definitely a curious lil thing, but this diversion into *bizarro world* has gone on long enough.

See ya in the funny papers, sweetums.

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LOL,
i nearly giggled out of my chair reading this garbage.

sure, i did accept his challenge..it's quite obvious..
Things he does not mention is that in that zone my comments were apart of a convo, in which he CLEARLY filtered and added to what he saw fit.
oddly enough his char is still a lowbie as it was then, which is why i chose not to duel it.
i care not that he was a lvl 40, but the comptetion was dry there.

sure, i lol'd when he brought his MM, that wasn't my fight, my char clearly wasn't designed to AoE spam a /paindom MM.
any decent pvper could see that that was a dumb fight...even players at PD agreed.

and furthermore, you never beat me, i never chugged an entire tray of inspirations, i didn't pop geas, nor eye of the magnus.

after 3-0 he pretty much stopped fighting and became a farm target, 6 mins into it, i asked did he want to quit, after taunting him..and of course he remained, so.. all hail free pvp io's?

anyhoot.
i have the screenie, of me murdering this bad player, 11-0.

if you'd like to continue, we can.
and yes.
I DID change from my psi to my sonic, he was more suited to fight a /thermal. errm */heat exhaustion
my bad ?
i came prepp'd to fight.
sadly, you did not.
11-0
good game, bucko.

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L M A O ?

For a first post, this is prolly the best ever.

Srsly.

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i heard this story from the other side on vent...the convo went quiet interesting since i actually know bonker...
all i could add to this is: less QQ moar pew pew :]

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You mean you know the guy that was demanding the duel but only against a specific thing he could beat?

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I said i know them...and am in friendly relationship with both...that is why the whole conversation was quiet interesting...

Personally i told him not to fall as a victim into Bonker's trolls it is hilarious but if you can't handle it you better just stay away from it.

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Heh. Wasn't trolling him, just throwing back the baloney he was spewing. Please remember, he callenged me to the duel.

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And to Bonker i could only say if you want to win bring what works. Simply as it is.

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Good advice. A bit silly, tho, to be offering that advice to me considering I brought 7 other toons he refused to fight precisely because they would have beat him.

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If Bonker lost a match but still feels as winner then the whole story payed off for him i guess.

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Well, of course I feel fine about it. He forfeited 7 matches in a row before he finally took one he could win. 7-1 in back to back matches is a good ratio for me.

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Stop taking this game so serious. Have some fun or why even bother to play?

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You know as well as anyone how *unserious* I take this game. I play and pvp precisely because I find it fun, especially when pwning jackasses who take it far more serious than any sane person oughta.

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Meet ya all in zones/arena. GL HF.

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Backatcha!

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Just hang out at the El Super Mexicano, let the villains come out. Train parking lot, let heroes come out.

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Word. Srsly.

It doesn't seem to matter which side outnumber's which, if you beat someone, inevitably they are gonna blame it on whichever team you happen to be on, or whatever other person happens to be around when you kill them and then challenge you to a 1v1, cus they just know they can beatcha!

That's fine. But when you challenge someone to a duel then start calling out arbitrary rules, that's when it gets a lil funny.

Funny story: I was on a 44 dark/dark stalker and patrolling RV for smack-talkers to embarrass. 1 particular blaster was [censored] up a storm about anyone and everything so he was my primary farm target of the moment. He really started getting irate, and finally challenged me to a duel. I agreed, but he said "I don't duel stalkers."

"LoL wha? You challenged me."
"Stalkers are OP"
"Would it help if i told you I was dark/dark?"
"OP'd"
"LOL?"
"I'll duel any toon you have that ain't a stalker"

So I tell him to head to pocket D, and by this time we have a bit of an audience. I log one of my MM's in.

"An MM? Are you serious? MM's suck in pvp!"
"KK, gl hf"
"I'm not fighting an MM, not worth my time."
"Listed"
"Not fighting that toon, grab another one"
"LMAO, is there any other toon that yer *not gonna fight*? might save me some time."
"No, any other toon, but no stalkers, no MM's"

So I log on my elec/therm.

"LOL OP'd therm. gtfo"
"Are you serious?"
"Yes, I'm not fighting a therm."
" . . . ."

By now the crowd is jeering and laughing.

"Look dude, I'll tell you what, I'l log in 4 random toons from each of my accounts, you go ahead and choose which one you think you can beat, err *duel*."
"okay."

I do, and he chooses my Sonic corr which is uberly SO'd out . . . then swaps toons.

LMAO! He comes back with a sonic blaster that I can only assume is his *premier* duel toon. Goes thru his tray full of insp in the first 2 mins, but pwns me handily 5-0 in that amount of time, talking [censored] the whole time. Then he starts running from me, shooting then running away. Though I really doubted I had any chance of outdamaging him with only SO's, I chase and keep it interesting for the spectators.

He keeps saying "just quit the match man, you're beat! just quit, just quit, just quit."

LMAO, I can sense his desperation at being outta insp, so I start popping my own and finally get a kill. I totally expected him to quit right before he died, but I think the stacking of sonic caught him by surprise before he could.

The match ended up being 11-1 or something, but I was quite happy with the result. First time I ever lost a match so decisively but still felt like I won.

He challenged me to a duel in RV, I accepted then had to swap to 4 different toons and provide 8 different options for him before he finally chose one. Then he himself swapped to a different toon so he could *pwn* it. When he ran outta insp, he got beat.

Bottom line, if yer gonna challenge someone to a duel, then duel. The irony is, he prolly coulda beat that lvl 44 dark/dark stalker with whatever toon he happened to be on at the time in RV.

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After that it was just an hour or two of chasing around El Chido Run until the heroes brought in some FFs and Stormies.

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"You better bring your debuffers, having corrs is for wimps"

"You vills are weak, you need a team to kill me"

"why you had to bring debuffers with you"

Now mind you he was saying all this, in a hero huddle with 2 stormies and 2 heavies, with a [censored] load of scrappers and blasters, and a few emps.

So morti came on, and someone said morti only comes when the heroes are ganking. And he's like nah i'm just attacking chido's targets, he's on my team. lol he was such a tool the other day lol. So i'm like this can't be chido, is this his lil bro or something, because chido usually makes sense and your a victim. So he hit us with one of the three programmed responses.

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There's two Chido's. One that has his underwear elastic attached to a drone and only comes out in T9, and *snaps back* when it wears off or he might die. This Chido is quiet. He *lolz* alot, but otherwise S's the fu.

Once there's more hero's in the zone and especially when they outnumber and can camp vill base, Chido really comes into his own. He can sit in a huddle and type, incomprehensibly. One Heat Exhaust and he is on his way running clear across zone to his drone's though, popping insp the whole way and too busy to type, lmao.

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First and foremost any of you flaming can pretty much kiss my shield wielding [censored]. I didnt make this post to be flamed or to be insulted. Just because Ive been PvPing a few months doesnt make it alright to say "you are a n00b" Ive PvPed in other games not just this one. So you can go blow that smoke up someone elses [censored].

Ive killed my fair share of stalkers, brutes, doms, etc. This is why the PvP community sucks as it is. People who flat out think they can insult people and then wonder why no one comes to play with them in PvP. Who'd wanna play with a jackass who has 0 respect for anyone elses views.

The stuff Im talkin about prolly will never be changed. OK so be it, but it still doesnt mean that the community as a whole couldnt address the issue and it sure as hell doesnt give you the right to mock and insult me for having my personal opinion. "Ohh he said somethin about my power, GET HIM!" Screw off.

Sorry guess Im just not in your league of "Uberness" and I refuse to sink to it. I play on the level. Obviously you dont, and thats why PvP is in the state that its in now.

Hell sorry for tryin to have a intelligent conversation with morons. This is my last post on the PvP forums due to the A-holes in here, but you can be damn sure I'll be seeing you in RV. Oh and be sure to list your name if you play on freedom just so I can shove those rude and senseless comments right back down your throat.

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You were ridiculed due to how you brought your problem accross the table. You immediately started to thrash about and cry your eyes out about things that you did not understand.


A MUCH better approach would have been to come in here and simply "ask" how to better deal with Stalkers and their high levels of stealth. NOT run in and start being a fool. I've read MANY posts asking how to deal with Stalkers, and for the most part, they get real answers based on their AT's and level ranges.


Had you approached the problem this way, you wouldn't have 50 people from these boards serving you your genitals on a silver platter after they find you in zone later, but...alas....you did not....so


...see you in zone...ON my Stalker lol.


Btw, not sure if you gave us your toon's names or globals yet, but that could help some, so we know for sure that it's YOU were are ripping to shredds. Kthxbi

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HTH!

Quick note, in case you weren't aware: You can get all three respecs and all three badges from just running the 24-33 respec, provided you are the appropriate level for each.

If you are 50 and have never done the respecs, you could run the 24-33 one back to back to back and get all three respecs and all three badges.

If you are doing the 34-43 and the 44+ ones for other reasons than the badge/respec, then nevermind.

The 24-33 one is generally easier to get started tho.