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The frustrated Villains guide to Siren's Call - (a tongue and cheek observation of PvP).

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Sure there are errors - try helping him out by correcting them. Bias? It's a guide for "frustrated Villains." Is that you?

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Yeah I saw that however, when he sits there acting like villains are getting a raw deal and everything is peachy keen for hero's... he's wrong.

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Wow. I'm not sure its even possible to point out all of the areas you're wrong.

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I never try to criticize anyone when they do a guide. They're taking their time and effort trying to make something to benefit other players so I never want to criticize it, however guy to be honest?

You need to learn a hell of a lot more about how this game and PvP work and you're also blatantly biased in your oppinions.

However bad you may imagine the villain base is the hero's in SC have it worse. I could post screenies that'd make even villains cringe.

If you want to re-attempt this at some point dude you 1) need to know more about the game and 2) can't be so biased. You can't cry that the other guys have greener grass when you're wrong abou it. "I know that we can get within 3' of the hero hospital door and only 1' from a drone because a chain link fence makes me invisible to the drone but OMG the hero's actually need to work to get near our base! They have it so much better than us!" No guy, that doesn't work.

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Example: Archvillain does 2500 damage beyond tanker's defense. Exceeds tanker's life in one shot. instantly follows up with one point of DOT to overcome stupid one-shot rule.

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Just an FYI, 1-shot rule doesn't drop you to 1 health. It reduces you to 10% health. On some tanks that's still a lot of hitpoints.

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Yes, non-heal buffs help, but healing trumps them because it's the only buff that prevents faceplants. Non-heal buffs delay faceplants, and make them less likely overall, but healing outright does away with them for the most part. This is at the heart of the reason why "healers" are specifically sought out.

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Dude OMG...

Heals are a direct counter to damage. HOWEVER the buffs/debuffs are damage mitigation/prevention. If you're not taking damage you don't need a heal. If you're taking LESS damage you don't need heals as often. If the enemy is so debuffed or you're so buffed he can't tough you what do you need a healer for.

A healer is great when you're taking damage but there are so many ways to reduce or even eliminate taking damage it's not funny.

I solo stuff on my rad/rad defender that I'd never have done with my blaster because with his debuffs he can. Whatever damage slips through isn't enough to make him worry. What does he need a healer for? Hell the heal he does have isn't even slotted because I need it so infrequently it's literally (in my case) wasted slots that can be used for other stuff.

I think you're missing how buffs/debuffs work if you think healing is the only real form of face-plant prevention.

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So I think Bodyguard is fine and all the other Inherents should work as well as Bodyguard. If not then Bodyguard will be seen as a very unbalanced Inherent. MM's need it, but many of the older AT's need something as nice and as applicable as Bodyguard and they are just being ignored at the moment.

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I don't think bodyguard is unbalanced at all. It's great for what it is but hardly imbalanced. Also, once your pets are down it's useless. You'll drop in a flash. It's totally dependant upon your pets and their proximity to you and being in a specific mode to work that FOR it to work AND to use your pets in combat you actually have to take damage.

It's a great "oh crap" utlitiy, or on teams where there's enough aggro being spread out where you can get one guy to hit you and tick off your henchies but solo it'd slow you down and limit your control since the second you issue an attack/passive/stay/aggressive order etc you lose it. You'd have to aggro every group you come to, get hit etc. Solo it's usually safer to just send them in.

Personally I feel it balances itself quite well with its own limitations.

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The contaminated is a concession. The dev position was that if you didn't get it then tough luck. People even said 'I don't care if it's a single contaminated in the toughest zone in the game on a 15 minute timer, just give us a chance to get it!'.

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A sentiment NOT shared by all pre-badge era toons/players and those few did not speak for all.

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You know - you could submit that kind of thing to the submissions box. You never know what might show up in the community pages of the comic or on the website.

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Doesn't the fact that I'm a UK subscriber on a US server kinda automatically disqualify me from that kinda stuff?

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Let me take this opportunity to emphasize something.

Unless a contest rule specifically states that you are not eligible then you ARE eligible.

The only time you are usually excluded is if the contest results in a prize with a cash value.

Thus, you have been eligible for the comic cameo contests and the website screenshot contests we have had in the past.

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Exactly. I, as a Rhode Islander am excluded from all contests that contain a prize of monetary value. This because all the greedy [censored] poloticians in my little state would charge NCSoft and Cryptic a a [censored] fee to include RI residents in the contest. Lovely, no?

So I, a resident of the state where Paragon City is located cannot win a bloody graphics card. :P ::sulks::

Wow... the whole accent thing made me feel like I was reading an in character post in WoW.

It kinda' lost me after a couple of lines.

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Oh, a postscript. I'm typing this while watching my 24" Zenith console TV. Woodgrain finish, the channels on the DIAL go from U1 to 13. Thing's over 20 years old and still going, but you should see the mess of cables in the back required to accomodate the DVD, Digital Cable, and PS2.

I didn't want to be the one to bust this out, but "They don't make 'em like that anymore"

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What are you doing in my office? ::hisssss::

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A BALANCE ISSUE!? What the hell. You told us it was bug before. It used to be a 25% heal a long time ago to my understanding as well.

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Chill the hell out dude. If you read other posts before screaming in _Castle_'s face you'd have seen:

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As I recall, he thought it was bugged, but checked with some other devs and found out it was working as intended.

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I cannot remember where it was said now, but a red name did say they were switching a few of the PPP ranged damage powers over to the melee damge pools for the brutes and doms and other melee damage classes. I think that was the point?

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Your search-fu is weak! :P

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Well, hopefully these people are getting reported. And now we have some people saying the hero AT's are easy, and some are having the same problem I am having with the villain AT's. So, the question is why? Is there a inherant weekness that we're mission for each signature hero or villain? And if there is can a red name at least say yes, they all have weaknesses. Though I prefer a good team taking out a Sig instead of a certin weakness.

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There's nothing to report. Statesman has already said that that sort of behavior, in a PvP zone is NOT griefing. It's bull. It's rude. It's childish. It's immature. People who do that and actually enjoy it need to seek professional help because it's honestly scary. All that being said, it's NOT griefing when done in a PvP zone.

NOW... if he did it in a PvE zone he's asking to get banned.

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The more this game evolves the more I find that the sets we thought were going to be UBER in PVP are the ones that got whacked hard with the nerf stick to prevent them from achieving dominance.

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OMG Just post any nonsense to get your post count up huh?

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Elec Blasters/defenders = Endurance drain nerfed to uselessness

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It wasn't an intentional nerf. It was an unfortunate side-affect which has since been fixed. In fact it's just as good if not a little better than before.

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Anything with PFF = Defenders in PVP yeah right ?

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I do quite well with my defender in PvP. Just because you can't imagine that happening doesn't make it so.

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ED prevents blasters from ruling PVP.

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As it does Stalkers (imagine AS 1/5 or 2/4 slotted?) (actually according to _Castle_ stalkers have the highest kill rate in PvP zones) and brutes etc etc. ED wasn't put in to nerf blasters in PvP.

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FF MM's are nothing but their pets, and pets don't amount to much in PVP

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Some pets get some really nice tricks and they can really make a difference. And if we're nothing without our pets why are you crying about our 'indestructible button'?

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Regen Scrappers = Okay Regens are still tough, but their not G0DLY anymore

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They have been getting nerfed for ages. As much if not more for PvE than PvP.

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Ice critters would make b4d455 pets.

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Lastly, the profanity filter is there for a reason, and it's not for you to try and beat it with sad leet speak crapperish.

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I was on Villanous when Mynx showed up each time as an EB. The diffculty slider does not effect what hero will show up.

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Wellll, yes and no. The difficulty slider and the number of teammates in a mish DOES determine what difficulty the end enmy will be. Villanous- one person = likely Elite Boss. some more people or higher reputation setting? May go to AV or Hero.

But you are right. it will indeed be the same Named enemy.

The end of the first GW Patron arc, You fight Numina. But it depends on the number on team and the difficulty whether you fight Numina the EB, or Numina the Hero. I have fought her as both in this same mish with different people. Rep and Team decide which she will manifest as.

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Wellll no, as Positron already said it's totally random.

Which has been proven over and over. Some people are getting eb's and heroes while on villianous while others are getting lt's on higher difficulty settings.

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currently the end Hero you get is totally random, and has nothing to do with anything you did in the mission, we are looking into changing that).

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I did one of the missions with a pair of Thug masterminds. Both of them had great difficulty keeping their pets in the fight. They'd be happy as anything to attack objects, but would usually ignore enemy NPCs in favor of objects and civilians, even when set to 'Defensive'.

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I'm questioning that. I've run 3 mayhem, 1 with my bots 2 with my thugs and I have NEVER had a problem keeping my pets under control so long as they are in defensive.

The second I toggled them to agressive, forget it. However as long as I've kept them in defensive they always behave.

I think it's possible that when you were being attacked they might have been toggling them to agressive vs directly commanding each attack.

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no when i say purple patch i mean in general your attacks are less effective against an enemy as their level gets higher than yours

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Well the 'purple patch' was an actual patch that relates to a specific thing. Your usage would indicate that a normal leveled mob is under the influence of this patch when it's not.

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btw yes they are purple since they're +4

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I realize that. The point I was trying to make is that just because something is purple to you doesn't mean it's affected by the purple patch.

The purple patch allows the devs to create mobs that have no level but will always con purple to whatever is attacking it and do the proper amount of damage and resist properly. That has nothing to do with a mob being 4+ levels above you. I think above that (according to clintonian) it comes into play to reduce your effectiveness, however as for my recall it was used for monsters primarily.

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but i saw some turrets a week or 2 ago that were lvl 50...did they change all of them to be 54, or are some 50 and some 54, or what?

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I've seen reports of both. All the ones I've seen were 54. However I didn't sweep the whole zone so it's entirely possible there's some disparity in how things are spawning.

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i would love to see all pets slottable for +damres (or +def for ninjas). espcially the brusier and undead/ninja Lts

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You used to be able to however the game reads damage and damage resist as the same thing. This was an issue with beta when we were hit with ED first. The pets were being given wrong bonuses etc because of how the game treats dam resist/damage.

The current incarnation is actually better since it scales and doesn't cost you anymore slots.

BEFORE they had to change it yes, slotting made a difference but now you don't need to.

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It sure would be nice if the buffs also worked on you. Gosh the Protector Bots give you some nice bubbles. Why not a little leadership bonuses from your henchies? Every good leader (or mastermind) should listen to the good advice of his subordinates.

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Doesn't work that way and wouldn't make sense, especially in the villain world.

We as MM's give a buff to all our hencheman. The Enforcer grants a buff to those below him. Chain of command sort of thing. If you start listening to the Enforcer you may soon find yourself his henchman instead of him being yours.

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yeah whats the deal with the turrets? some are lv 50 and some are lv 54...

being +4 to everyone in the zone seems pretty ridiculous, the purple patch makes them way harder than they should be

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Wait the turrets are giant monsters? Or did they change the purple patch to affect levelled mobs too?

TMK the Purple Patch is only on monsters because they don't have a level giving them the ability to be purple to all mobs.

Being purple to you doesn't mean it's affect by the purple patch. Being level 54 when you're 50 means it's purple. Unless they changed something.

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Hey look, im for it and no I dont think it should be based on senority, that came out wrong, forgot about that other post, my point is this, I havent read the other threads, I have yet to understand why ppl dont wat a new badge even if it is harder than rocket man or reformed.

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It's not a new badge. It's one of the original badges but the means to get it is limited. Tutorial, period.

Don't get it in tutorial, too bad.

Pro-Isolator crew argues that pre-I2 toons never had the chance to get it.

Anti-Isolator crew argues that it's never going to be used for an accolade and the devs implementing a system for people to get it after outbreak would take valuable resources away from more important things.

There have been other arguments back and forth but a lot of it's just nonsense or expansions upon that main theme.

Now one problem comes in that if you read these threads, each side is so convinced that not only are they right, but that the other is so wrong that they degenerate and often end up turning into broken records. The same arguments being repeated and rehashed etc etc.

Now another problem is that despite Posi having warned that if they did implement an alternate means it'd be VERY hard the pro-team (not all but I've seen enough) is crying about how hard it is.

The Anti-team is acting bitter that it got done to begin with and is gloating that it IS so hard to get.

Basically... it's like sitting a group of die-hard Red Sox fans and die-hard Yankees fans in a room, asking them to discuss which team is better and expecting a civil conversation. Ain't going to happen.

EDIT: Mna, I see you keep replying to me. You do realize you've been on my ignore list for a while right? Just thought I'd remind ya'.

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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.

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Which is just as egocentric as the position held by the people who didn't want Isolator outside of OUtbreak and hold their PoV as reality.

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Not so much. Those who don't want Isolator outwith Outbreak aren't asking the devs to change something. Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.

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I am looking at it at an even more basic level than that. Each side, for whatever reasons they feel is appropriate, believes that they are in the right and that they deserve to have their point of view listened to.

Each side is being egotistical in that if their reality is made eal, the other side is denied theirs. Unfortunately, that is the way that things go. Somoe people will always be disappointed.

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The one thing I dont get is this, its not rly affecting everyone, why should they care if other ppl get the badge?

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From what I can gather from all the nonsense is only one LEGIT concern. A belief that implementing a system to allow for people to get it AFTER outbreak will take resources from other, more important things.

Everything else has been pissing contests, "my oppinion is more important than your's and I'm going to prove it" contests, and just useless childish ranting.

They're so worried about proving each other wrong and bashing each other it'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Anyway, just know it's been going on a long time and you'd think a group of mature, rational adults would have gotten the clue a long time ago that there are three camps (pro/anti/could give a damn either way) and no one is going to convince the other camp of a damned thing so they mine-as-well go their own way but no, they'd rather sit here insulting each other and arguing about why they're right and the other side is wrong.

Next pointless topic that turns normal, resonable adults into a bunch of 'frothing at the mouth idiots', abortion!

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Yeah but those minority of people have been playing the game since beta before badges even came out, they that should take a bit of precidence over everything else, theyve been playing the game the longest,

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Not necessarily true. Badges came out with I2, not release. So even people who made their toon 10 minutes before I2 went live got porked outta' the badge. :\

Also, while I've been here since ALMOST beta and can't help but kinda' like your seniority mentality... I know how crappy it would be having it used against me... so I can't support it.

Yeah I've been here since 2 weeks after release. Yeah I've had my account consisently since then. Yeah that means I've paid a hell of a lot more money than a lot of people but...

1) That's my choice. State's isn't at my house with a gun MAKING me pay every month.
2) I get a service for my money. I've been paying to play for 2 years and have been able TO play for 2 years. Nothing else is expressed or implied.

For anyone to step forward and demand special treatment based on how long they've been here is wrong.

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Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.

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And that makes the pro-isolators unique how? I mean it's not like they're the only ones who have ever asked for something game-changing. All things considered the time it took them to program a single mob spawn into what they were already doing for RV was hardly detracting from anything 'more importan't.

Anyway the devs dropped the ball. They should have retro-actively awarded it when I2 hit, period. That would have avoided all this.

Anyway, it's a dead issue. You'd think you guys are getting paid by the post the way you're going back and forth. Just [censored] get over it. Go play the game, call your mom, have a beer or take a nap.

Can I ask something, seriously? No arguing, no flaming each other for replies, just a legit question.

Is all the pro/anti bickering/arguing really solving anything?

The pro's got what they want, the anti's at least have the satisfaction that it's going to be a bigger pain in the nads to get than illusionist... this has become a:

"Things not to discuss at dinner parties, religion, politics, abortion and Isolator."

You're NOT going to convince each other. So... aside from buffing post count and wanting to get your oppinion out is there a NEED for the bickering?

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No...I proved that THOSE badges are not Easter Eggs. Isolator has absolutely no bar, no progress confirmation, and no hint that it is in the game. Therefore, it is an Easter Egg.


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I'm definately pro-isolator... if for no other reason than I want my main to eventually have all the badges and he's pre-badge era so I never 'had the chance' to earn Isolator but I gotta' agree with Celt here. It is kinda' an Easter Egg.

HOWEVER, let me just offer this counter to that. While it may be an Easter Egg, it was still implemented AFTER the fact.

The bottom line is the devs are wrong allowing this to go on so long. They data-mined their [censored] off to award and give credit toward all the badges that came out with I2. They should have also awarded Isolator to all existing toons AT THE TIME.

Now if they were to go that route and award Isolator out of hand (since they've done exactly what they said they wouldn't do [rare spawn camping for 'loot' since people in this game treat badges like +50 swords of slaysall ]) they'd have to data-mine and isolate the toons who were made pre-i2.